"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[RVonse]

First of all, it wasn't Biden's law. It was actually introduced by a Texas Republican and had huge support on both sides of the aisle, including the Congressional Black Caucus.

The misremembrance of that law is incredible. It had widespread Republican support and the GOP want to drop this on Biden as if he came up with an idea to incarerate all black people. It certainly seemed like it made a little sense at the time, and thankfully, like science, when data and experience tells us it didn't work or is wrong, we can actually move forward, recognize it, and try to fix it.

There is footage out there where Biden bragged about it.

 

[RVonse]

And when you just don't have the conscience or humanity to reevaluate your inhumane world view, you just dehumanize and demonize the poor and marginalized even harder!

Good point.

If you think this through though, you really can not have life (or a good life) unless the state respects private property. Because if the state does not respect and/or protect private property there can be no individual liberty. With no property right you are nothing but a slave to the state. And as a slave to the state what is your life really worth? No much IMHO. When the United States was founded Patrick Henry said "give me liberty or give me death". That statement is easily glossed over now days but it is still as true today as it was then.

 

[Angry Floof]

And when you just don't have the conscience or humanity to reevaluate your inhumane world view, you just dehumanize and demonize the poor and marginalized even harder!

Good point.

If you think this through though, you really can not have life (or a good life) unless the state respects private property. Because if the state does not respect and/or protect private property there can be no individual liberty. With no property right you are nothing but a slave to the state. And as a slave to the state what is your life really worth? No much IMHO. When the United States was founded Patrick Henry said "give me liberty or give me death". That statement is easily glossed over now days but it is still as true today as it was then.

Without humane principles and some awareness of all the people with whom you share a society, that bullshit means nothing. No rich person's property, or anyone's property for that matter, is worth defending if human well being isn't. And here's a hint: "human well being" means a lot more than just the well being of the things you own.

 

[ZiprHead]

Bullshit. I deny it.
You are wrong (being charitable and not calling it a lie)
QED

Show me PROOF that "they support the CCP". Not one or two of them - ALL of them since syntactically THAT is what you have asserted.

There is plenty of proof to be found starting with the Clinton Administration and the introduction of China into the WTO. But rather than googling and pasting all that history just consider this. The trade agreements with China and the slide of American middle class decline began simultaneously together and was no accident. It took both agency and direction of the establishment to make that happen. Both Biden and Obama clearly wanted further TPP agreements with the CCP which became a primary platform for Trump. I can not say that Trumps tariffs were successful or not at this point but they were a clear indication of where he stood. And it is also clear that Biden is and always has been the establishment and will clearly take the tariffs down as soon as he begins his term.

There are tin foilers in the Trump camp who believe China interfered in the last election for Biden. I'm not willing to go that far with that statement. But if you only look at the Global Times (Chinese publication edited by the CCP) there are numerous articles admitting that the CCP clearly wanted Biden.

China was accepted into the WTO almost a year after Clinton left office. And NAFTA was negotiated by the Bush I administration.

As for the TPP:

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), also called the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, was a proposed trade agreement between Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, and the United States signed on 4 February 2016. After the newly elected US president Donald Trump withdrew the US signature from TPP in January 2017,[5] the agreement could not be ratified as required and did not enter into force. The remaining countries negotiated a new trade agreement called Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, which incorporates most of the provisions of the TPP and which entered into force on 30 December 2018.

The TPP began as an expansion of the Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement (TPSEP or P4) signed by Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore in 2005. Beginning in 2008, additional countries joined the discussion for a broader agreement: Australia, Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, the United States, and Vietnam, bringing the negotiating countries to twelve. In January 2017, the United States withdrew from the agreement.[6] The other 11 TPP countries agreed in May 2017 to revive it[7][8] and reached agreement in January 2018. In March 2018, the 11 countries signed the revised version of the agreement, called Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership.[9] After ratification by six of them (Australia, Canada, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand and Singapore), the agreement came into force for those countries on 30 December 2018.

And our trade deficit with China has gone nowhere but up under Trump.

 

[ZiprHead]

First of all, it wasn't Biden's law. It was actually introduced by a Texas Republican and had huge support on both sides of the aisle, including the Congressional Black Caucus.

The misremembrance of that law is incredible. It had widespread Republican support and the GOP want to drop this on Biden as if he came up with an idea to incarerate all black people. It certainly seemed like it made a little sense at the time, and thankfully, like science, when data and experience tells us it didn't work or is wrong, we can actually move forward, recognize it, and try to fix it.

There is footage out there where Biden bragged about it.

Probably every politician that signed onto that legislation bragged about it.

 

[TomC]

First of all, it wasn't Biden's law. It was actually introduced by a Texas Republican and had huge support on both sides of the aisle, including the Congressional Black Caucus.

The misremembrance of that law is incredible. It had widespread Republican support and the GOP want to drop this on Biden as if he came up with an idea to incarerate all black people. It certainly seemed like it made a little sense at the time, and thankfully, like science, when data and experience tells us it didn't work or is wrong, we can actually move forward, recognize it, and try to fix it.

There is footage out there where Biden bragged about it.

This in no way contradicts what Higgins and Zipr said. "Tough on Crime" was a big thing. Almost every politician jumped on that bandwagon.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No, U.S. Democrats are not communists.

It is undeniable that they support the CCP.

Bullshit. I deny it.
You are wrong (being charitable and not calling it a lie)
QED

Show me PROOF that "they support the CCP". Not one or two of them - ALL of them since syntactically THAT is what you have asserted.

And note that not buying into the right-wing conspiracy theories about China isn't the same thing as supporting them.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Look at everything the Democrats stand for. They want free and unfettered unfair global trade with China.

LOL. This is just amoral capitalism at work. That's how capitalism works.

And they want everyone to lose basic liberty with the shutdown of business and personal mask wearing like they do in China.

LOL. Obviously this because there's a pandemic, and also you're talking out of your ass. Has nothing to do with democrats loving China. Your arguments are so dogshit, it's fucking embarrassing.

 

[Derec]

Without humane principles and some awareness of all the people with whom you share a society, that bullshit means nothing. No rich person's property, or anyone's property for that matter, is worth defending if human well being isn't. And here's a hint: "human well being" means a lot more than just the well being of the things you own.

Whose wellbeing is defended exactly when a Target store in Minneapolis is looted or when a car dealership is destroyed in Kenosha?

 

[Derec]

The misremembrance of that law is incredible. It had widespread Republican support and the GOP want to drop this on Biden as if he came up with an idea to incarerate all black people. It certainly seemed like it made a little sense at the time, and thankfully, like science, when data and experience tells us it didn't work or is wrong, we can actually move forward, recognize it, and try to fix it.

Of course it had bipartisan support. But now actually incarcerating dangerous criminals is controversial in the Democratic Party, not the Republican Party.

Of course, not everything about the Crime Bill was right. But it got more right than claimed by the leftist critics of the law. I think the pendulum is swinging way too far the other way now. Take the new LA DA who will refuse to prosecute any minor as an adult, among other criminal justice deforms he has announced.

That means that a 16 or 17 year old banger can commit murder and all he or she has to fear is a few years in juvie. Guess whom the Bloods and the Crips will not increasingly use as enforcers now.
LA's New DA George Gascón Promises Sweeping Changes, Less Punitive Approach to Crime

It's idiotic overreach that will make LA less safe, not more.

Back to the Crime Bill, as Zipr said, many black lawmakers supported it as well. And for a good reason. Even while blacks are committing crimes at a higher rate, they are also victims of these crimes at higher rates too. Not going forcefully against for example street gangs will harm the predominately black neighborhoods most severely.

 

[Derec]

[Some twit's (goes by Aren LeBrun) idiotic tweet]

Vandalism is considered a crime because it is in fact a crime - not sure if it legally has a "violent" crime designation, but it in either case needs to be prosecuted. It is an issue completely unrelated to the policy question of what health care coverage should be guaranteed by law.
To defend criminals breaking windows or destroying ATMs because of an unrelated policy issue is truly idiotic.

By the way, some car thieves in Atlanta today got their just deserts. Or desserts; flambéed.
1 dead, 1 critical after stolen car crashes in Midtown, police say

Not politically motivated crime, but still. Aren LeBrun would think this a non-crime because it's just them stealing somebody else's property, and 'property is theft" or something.
The thieves almost got away with it due to City of Atlanta's no chase policy, but two heroic utility poles stopped this latter day Bonnie and Clyde. Just too bad an innocent Jag was destroyed. Glad they didn't hit anybody else though...

 

[Derec]

Sec of state should've stood their ground.

Certainly. And so should the elected officials when #BLM and Antifas show up on their doorstep.
Sauce for goose, sauce for gander and all that.

 

[Derec]

(Of course if they were black, the gutters would be running with blood)

You mean these heavily armed, but unharmed, black guys?


I don't see any rivers of blood. Not even a paper cut.

 

[Derec]

Graffiti is easy to false-flag.

That may be so, but no evidence is no evidence. You, fromderinside and the hound have zero evidence that these attacks were "false flag". No matter how much you wish to exonerate #BLMers and Antifas.

Note that these particular graffiti fit the leftist "stolen land/Thanksgiving celebrates genocide" narrative but that narrative is less well known among the general public. If it was false flag, I'd expect something more obvious like "Fuck Trump" or "Abolish police".

Note also the people who were arrested. They look more like #BLM and Antifas than false flag rightists. While there are black right wingers, many more are left wing. Particularly ones who dye their hair pink.

I'm thinking of a photo that was posted a while back showing gear supposedly taken from anarchists--but with a easily-made anarchist symbol and a professionally made 3% symbol.

You don't think Antifas can make a stencil? The "false flag" argument can cut both ways ...

 

[marc]

Look at everything the Democrats stand for. They want free and unfettered unfair global trade with China.

LOL. This is just amoral capitalism at work. That's how capitalism works.

And they want everyone to lose basic liberty with the shutdown of business and personal mask wearing like they do in China.

LOL. Obviously this because there's a pandemic, and also you're talking out of your ass. Has nothing to do with democrats loving China. Your arguments are so dogshit, it's fucking embarrassing.

wait.... free and unfettered global trade with China, I would guess for goods... which we would do what with since we can't sell anything because the businesses are all shut down?
and isn't free trade the republican's big talking points?

 

[Elixir]

...isn't free trade the republican's big talking points?

Yeah it is if they do it, but not if Dems do it.
Just like deficit spending. It's a great economic boost to give away trillions of taxpayer dollars to billionaires, but for the love of God and Country, don't even suggest trying to keep people out of poverty.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Y'know, I'm starting to think that since 200k+ Americans are dead and that's not a big deal, then Antifa committing violence isn't such a big deal either. After all it's only a few people who are affected. That's virtually nobody.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Graffiti is easy to false-flag.

That may be so, but no evidence is no evidence. You, fromderinside and the hound have zero evidence that these attacks were "false flag". No matter how much you wish to exonerate #BLMers and Antifas.

Note that these particular graffiti fit the leftist "stolen land/Thanksgiving celebrates genocide" narrative but that narrative is less well known among the general public. If it was false flag, I'd expect something more obvious like "Fuck Trump" or "Abolish police".

Note also the people who were arrested. They look more like #BLM and Antifas than false flag rightists. While there are black right wingers, many more are left wing. Particularly ones who dye their hair pink.

I'm thinking of a photo that was posted a while back showing gear supposedly taken from anarchists--but with a easily-made anarchist symbol and a professionally made 3% symbol.

You don't think Antifas can make a stencil? The "false flag" argument can cut both ways ...

You missed the point. Note: "professionally made 3% symbol." Which is more likely, that antifi put a small 3% patch on their packs with big As, or that a 3%er forgot about the patch when they painted a big A on the pack?

 

[blastula]

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[Elixir]

(Of course if they were black, the gutters would be running with blood)

You mean these heavily armed, but unharmed, black guys?
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I don't see any rivers of blood. Not even a paper cut.

You also don't see them on the doorstep of an elected official, threatening them for something that didn't happen.