Loren Pechtel

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There's not enough there to see if it was self defense or not.

Protesters surrounding cars is a bad thing, though--all it takes is one getting too threatening and you have people who didn't intend to do anything wrong flying everywhere.
Hurting people who do not intend you harm is not self-defense. At a minimum, it is reckless indifference.

No. The group is responsible for the actions of any member of the group.

One person in the group turns violent, the driver flees, others who had no intent to commit violence get hurt, all the blame goes to the one who got violent.

Loren Pechtel

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People should not be shooting others (unless in self defense). It looks like the Antifas escalated the situation to physical violence by spraying the PBs with mace. Which is a crime.

A little problem here: None of their sources confirm the account of the tear gas. Note that tear gassing of protesters is a right wing tactic far more than a left wing tactic. I strongly suspect it's at best misreported, perhaps entirely fake news.

Loony Running The Asylum
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[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpsAmerica?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TrumpsAmerica</a><br>Proud boys ruthlessly breathing a non-combative couple at a "Stop the Steal" playdate in Washington DC. <a href="https://t.co/EkvkobR8Ih">pic.twitter.com/EkvkobR8Ih</a></p>— v.for.vincent (@VinnyboyXI) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinnyboyXI/status/1337990138127912960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]..

Loony Running The Asylum
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Historic D.C. Black churches attacked during pro-Trump rallies Saturday

A Black Lives Matter banner and sign were torn from two historic Black churches in downtown D.C. and destroyed during pro-Trump protests Saturday night.

D.C. police said they are investigating the events as potential hate crimes.

In one of the incidents, videos posted on Twitter show a group of people identified as Proud Boys marching with a Black Lives Matter banner held above their heads, then cheering as it is set on fire while chanting “f--- antifa.”

The banner was taken from Asbury United Methodist Church, one of the oldest Black churches in the city. Asbury United has stood at the corner of 11th and K streets NW since 1836.

“Last night demonstrators who were part of the MAGA gatherings tore down our Black Lives Matter sign and literally burned it in the street,” the Rev. Ianther M. Mills, the church’s senior pastor, said in a statement. “It pained me especially to see our name, Asbury, in flames. For me it was reminiscent of cross burnings.”

Angry Floof

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Look at these geniuses.

Derec

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Look at these geniuses.

While I never confused Proud Boys with geniuses, the real stupidity is with Marie the Twit. This is a prime example of mooning. Mooning is not meant to be a threatening act. It's a mocking act, albeit very silly and juvenile one.

Derec

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“Last night demonstrators who were part of the MAGA gatherings tore down our Black Lives Matter sign and literally burned it in the street,” the Rev. Ianther M. Mills, the church’s senior pastor, said in a statement. “It pained me especially to see our name, Asbury, in flames. For me it was reminiscent of cross burnings.”

How is that different from that woman stealing a Confederate flag from a building close to SC capitol a few years ago or from what this guy did?

Derec

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A little problem here: None of their sources confirm the account of the tear gas. Note that tear gassing of protesters is a right wing tactic far more than a left wing tactic. I strongly suspect it's at best misreported, perhaps entirely fake news.

The article Elixir posted reported that, I merely pointed out to his what his own source said.

And this is the problem with you on this issue. You dismiss any claims of left-wing violence as "fake news". I think both right and left wing extremists are engaging in violence. Why are you so steadfast in refusing that left wingers are doing anything violent?

Derec

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My guess is that you are trying to equate the history, scale, and threat levels posed by right and left wing extremists.
Just cut it out dude - it's a losing argument.

Speaking of history. I have not lived through the 70s but I have read plenty about the left wing violence of that era. Black Panthers, Black Liberation Army, Weathermen, Puerto Rican Separatists etc. Time of police officers getting ambushed, banks being robbed "for the cause" and countless bombings.

I think the left is getting more and more extremist and that we may be entering another decade like the 70s.

Loony Running The Asylum
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BODYCAM VIDEO SHOWS ‘MOB MENTALITY’ OF BOSTON POLICE WHO RESPONDED TO GEORGE FLOYD PROTESTS, LAWYER SAYS

Hours of video given exclusively to The Appeal show police officers bragging about attacking protesters and multiple instances of excessive force and the liberal use of pepper spray.
As demonstrations against police brutality and abuse of Black Americans spread across Boston on the night of May 31 and early morning of June 1, the city’s police department was out in force.

Many officers wore body cameras. During the unrest, the cameras recorded hours of footage that the department subsequently stored.

That footage was given to attorney Carl Williams, who is representing some protesters arrested that night, as part of a discovery file encompassing 44 videos and over 66 hours of footage. Williams assembled a team of volunteer lawyers and law students to pore over the videos to find exculpatory evidence for his clients. What they found, however, was something more.

The hours of video, given exclusively to The Appeal by Williams, show police officers bragging about attacking protesters, targeting nonviolent demonstrators for violence and possible arrest, discussing arrest quotas and the use of cars as weapons, and multiple instances of excessive force and liberal use of pepper spray.

“It’s this mob mentality,” Williams said of the police behavior. “And I use ‘mob’ as a sort of a double entendre—mob like the mafia and mob like a group of a pack of wild people roaming the streets looking to attack people.”

The Appeal shared sections of the footage with Suffolk County District Attorney Rachael Rollins, who said that in her view, police behavior in the videos is indicative of the very issues that demonstrators were marching to bring attention to.

“I have not watched the entire video, but the snippets that I have seen are incredibly troubling,” said Rollins, adding that she has sent the clips to her special prosecution team.

The Boston Police Department has opened an investigation into the revelations in the videos, Sergeant Detective John Boyle told The Appeal. Citing the investigation, Boyle declined further comment.

Keith&Co.

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“It’s this mob mentality,” Williams said of the police behavior. “And I use ‘mob’ as a sort of a double entendre—mob like the mafia and mob like a group of a pack of wild people roaming the streets looking to attack people.”
Um, tell this guy, dude, just say "pun."
A double entendre has two meanings, one of which is sexual. Or at least sexy. Not an image i needed for excessive force allegations....

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Disgusting...

repoman

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WPWW in the house.

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Loony Running The Asylum
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Armed Anti-Lockdown Protesters Just Tried to Storm Oregon's State Capitol

Right-wing protesters, including many armed with AR-style rifles, angrily faced off with riot police in and around the Oregon State Capitol in Salem on Monday morning, as lawmakers gathered to consider extending a moratorium on evictions during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The event was billed as an anti-lockdown protest, and intended to coincide with the lawmakers’ presence for a special legislative session. Right-wing activists, including Joey Gibson, who leads “Patriot Prayer,” a far-right group, seized on the closed-door event as an opportunity to protest ongoing lockdown orders and drum up complaints about transparency.

Protesters started gathering at 8 a.m. local time and by 9 the crowd had swelled to about 300-strong, judging by livestreams at the scene.

Some of the protesters were able to enter the building, and were seen on video walking around heavily armed. When riot police arrived, tensions escalated quickly and police deployed pepper spray, forcing protesters who were inside to leave. Meanwhile, protesters identified alternative entrances to the building.

lpetrich

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Oregon police make at least 4 arrests amid COVID protests at Capitol
A special session of the Oregon Legislature was disrupted on Monday by protesters who appeared to oppose policies designed to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Protesters broke glass doors at the largely-empty Capitol building, tore tarps from the marble reliefs on the front steps and engaged in a brief standoff with Oregon State Police and Salem Police Department officers.

Police made at least four arrests during the six-hour rally that included more than 100 protesters, including members of the far-right Patriot Prayer group.
Heavily Armed Far-Right Mob Descends on Oregon Capitol - "The crowd was a loose collection of members of the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and others far-right groups, many of them are armed with pistols and rifles. It got ugly fast."

Derec

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Zipr and lpetrich, I am sure the Multnomah County DA will prosecute these people to the full extent of the law.
But he is pro-Anifa and so he is refusing to prosecute Antifas and other leftists who have been occupying a few city blocks on behalf of a sovereign citizen.

Surely you two don't approve of such blatant viewpoint discrimination by local prosecutors, do you?

Derec

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Protester Misconduct - Arkansas edition

Suspect in police vehicle burnings is former Little Rock radio station reporter

KATV said:
An Arkansas State Police vehicle was burned on Aug. 28 at agency headquarters in Little Rock. Another vehicle was vandalized with spray paint and several others had punctured tires. An exploded Molotov cocktail made from a bottle of brandy was also found at the scene.

Witnesses reportedly told police that Renea Goddard, 22, was one of three people responsible for the incident. Authorities tracked the group's cell phone locations back to the Arkansas State Police headquarters that night. Goddard and three others were arrested and charged with malicious destruction of property belonging to an entity receiving federal funding, conspiracy to commit those acts and possession of a destructive device.

Goddard was also arrested in June for violating curfew during Black Lives Matter protests in downtown Little Rock, according to court records.

Derec

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Protester misconduct - Minneapolis Edition (yet again)

So police shot and killed a man during a felony stop in an exchange of fire.
Minneapolis police fatally shoot man during stop

Surely a case of "police brutality" according to the anti-police left. So these idiots promptly got into the streets and started blocking traffic.

[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are well 200 protesters now at Cedar and 36th in Minneapolis with all roads leading to the intersection blocked by BLM... more & more, mostly young, people are arriving. <br><br>I have felt this before, the same uneasiness I experienced during the the riots. Not looking good. <a href="https://t.co/QPLCN5spCO">pic.twitter.com/QPLCN5spCO</a></p>— Rebecca Brannon (@RebsBrannon) <a href="https://twitter.com/RebsBrannon/status/1344495230213566464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]

Hopefully things don't escalate beyond this, but with #BLM and Antifa you never know. If I was in the Minneapolis area, I'd stay away from the city for a while.

Derec

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Family identifies man who was fatally shot by Minneapolis police

The family supposedly doesn't believe that the perp fired at the police. They are also already grifting with over $17k raised on GoFundMe. They figure getting shot by police is the best thing he's ever done for them, given his history. Father's claim that they don't believe their son fired his gun is strange given his history. This happened two years ago. Man charged after allegedly firing gun in Eden Prairie home where he isn’t allowed SW News Media said: charged with one-count dangerous weapons-reckless discharge of firearm within a municipality, according to the criminal complaint. Eden Prairie Police were called 1:10 a.m., July 12, on report of a gunshot at a residence along Lee Drive in Eden Prairie. People inside the house said 21-year-old Dolal Bayle Idd fired the gun when he was at the home earlier. Idd’s mother said he isn’t allowed in the house because he “scares the children.” He had a conviction from a robbery case a few years before then too. 2 Charged With Beating, Robbing Man At Life Time Fitness Charming man! Derec Contributor Derec Contributor And NYC .... NYPD: Vandals Tagged St. Patrick's Cathedral During New Year's Protest NBC New York said: Vandals tagged St. Patrick's Cathedral with anti-police graffiti early on New Year's Day, according to the NYPD. Police say they found the acronym "ACAB" tagged on the cathedral after responding to a protest on Fifth Avenue around 1 a.m. Video from the scene posted to Twitter shows protesters blocking two NYPD cruisers -- both of which had lights and sirens on --- and banging on the hood of one of the vehicles. Several also shouted expletives at officers on the scene. Yet another day in DeBlasio's New York ... ZiprHead Loony Running The Asylum Staff member ORGANIZED GROUP STORMS L.A. GROCERY STORE ... More Stampedes Planned Despite COVID-19 cases surging in Los Angeles, hospitals overrun and a rising death count, there's a sick group of people storming grocery stores without masks ... and it appears they are part of a group that is targeting stores to wreak havoc. 30-50 members of this group stampeded the Erewhon Market near The Grove shopping center a few days ago, demanding to be allowed to shop without their masks. The anti-maskers were seen forcing their way in and harassing workers while flouting the city's face-covering safety guidelines. Some even tried to get the employees to join them ... encouraging them to remove their masks and "live their lives." Their stupidity and recklessness cannot be overstated ... they are screaming, defying and pulling penal code sections out of their asses, none of which makes any sense. Watch how they confront cops ... the police exercise remarkable restraint. They took their stampede to other stores in the area, including a Trader Joe's. The demonstration seems to be linked to a Facebook group that describes itself like this -- "So here we are, shopping around LA maskless, witnessing the unraveling of hijacked minds right before our very eyes." ZiprHead Loony Running The Asylum Staff member Democrat Speaker Nancy Pelosi's$5m San Francisco home is VANDALIZED with red paint, a pig's head and a spray-painted message about $2,000 checks during battle with Republicans over stimulus payments Police sources told TMZ that cops were called out to reports of vandalism at the House Speaker's property around 3 a.m. New Year's Day DailyMail.com has contacted San Francisco Police Department for comment A photo posted on social media shows a white garage plastered in graffiti '2k' is written on the garage and then crossed out, in what appears to be a reference to the$2,000 stimulus checks Pelosi is pushing for
The graffiti also reads 'cancel rent' and 'we want everything'

Red paint covers the driveway and a pig's head sits on the paving slabs

Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco home was vandalized overnight with a pig's head surrounded in a pool of red paint, as well as a spray-painted message appearing to allude to the failed $2,000 stimulus checks. Photos of the disturbing scene shared on social media by conservative filmmaker Maggie VandenBerghe on Friday showed the House Speaker's white garage door defaced with black graffiti text reading: '$2k Cancel RENT! We want everything!'

The message appeared to be in reference Pelosi's recent efforts to increase the second round of COVID relief checks to \$2,000, which have been repeatedly rejected by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

The vandals also spray-painted two letter As enclosed in circles, most commonly known as the symbol for anarchism.

Underneath the disturbing message on the driveway was a pool of red paint with a pig's head placed at the center of the pavement.

This one stinks to high heaven of being a right wing plot.

Elixir

Can't wait for the 6th.

Derec

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This one stinks to high heaven of being a right wing plot.
"Cancel rent" is really a lefty rallying cry.

Rent is Due Despite the Pandemic. Why?
By Shahid Buttar, who tried to primary (sort of, they have a jungle primary) Nancy Pelosi from the Left.

Besides, there are hardly ant right wingers in San Francisco and even conservatives are rather sparse. The most parsimonious explanation is that it is some unhinged SanFran lefties.

Loony Running The Asylum
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Almost ten percent of voters in San Francisco voted for Trump. That's not "hardly any".

And "We want everything" definitely sounds like a parody.

Keith&Co.

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And "We want everything" definitely sounds like a parody.
I was very interested in the Anarchy symbol right there with a demand that the government can, and must, take control of rent prices. And provide everything. That seems more a totalitarian communism stance than anarchist....

blastula

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[TWEET]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mitch McConnell’s home was vandalized last night <a href="https://t.co/h1rrj5RTrN">pic.twitter.com/h1rrj5RTrN</a></p>— Rose Movement ������ (@Rosemvmt) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rosemvmt/status/1345407223384588290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>[/TWEET]..

Moscow Mitch said:
"I’ve spent my career fighting for the First Amendment and defending peaceful protest. I appreciate every Kentuckian who has engaged in the democratic process whether they agree with me or not," Senator McConnell said according to WDRB. "This is different. Vandalism and the politics of fear have no place in our society. My wife and I have never been intimidated by this toxic playbook. We just hope our neighbors in Louisville aren’t too inconvenienced by this radical tantrum."

Considering McConnell's method of running the senate, the word democratic coming out of his mouth should be considered blasphemy.

Derec

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And "We want everything" definitely sounds like a parody.
I was very interested in the Anarchy symbol right there with a demand that the government can, and must, take control of rent prices. And provide everything. That seems more a totalitarian communism stance than anarchist....

Antifa ignorance of history or political theory does not surprise me at all. Antifas use the "Antifaschistische Aktion" (an organ of the KPD, Communist Party of Germany) symbol which is understandable as they are the successors of the original German pre-WWII Antifa. But inexplicably they often also use the symbol with three arrows that was used by SPD (Social-Democratic Party of Germany to indicate that they opposed communists, Nazis and the monarchists. KPD was very much opposed to SPD and viewed them as "fascist".

As you can see, Antifas are not the most clear thinking or historically knowledgeable bunch anyway.

GNWP

WPWW

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Elixir

Aww.
Doesn't say if he is going to miss the coup on Wednesday. That would be such a shame.

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
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Aww.
Doesn't say if he is going to miss the coup on Wednesday. That would be such a shame.

I was just about to post this. DESTROYING PROPERTY??? Derec must be outraged!

Edit: I hope we get to see another Nazi tears video with this one.

Patooka

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Can I just ask? What is the fucking point of this thread? That Police are as bad as protesters? And we should be grateful for that? Come one on Derec, what is your point? Black people notwithstanding, what is your objection towards Law Enforcement Accountability? Or should cops always be Stormtroopers?

Harry Bosch

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Yea, as a Portlander who has supported the protestors and joined them, the current group are a bunch of assholes. They've dwindled in support. There is maybe only about 75 or so night. But this group is a hardened group that just wants to riot.

Elixir

Josh Vaughan, a barback and doorman at Grand Prize Bar, was hit on the head with a glass after asking a patron to repeatedly put on a mask.

Hopefully the glass didn't break. It would be a shame if there was PROPERTY DAMAGE!

Elixir

TRUMPERS GET VIOLENT AS THEY STORM A CALIFORNIA GROCERY STORE!

But fortunately, it looks like they are only attacking PEOPLE, not PROPERTY.

ideologyhunter

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What, it wasn't over a late arrival of Krispy Kremes?

Elixir

What, it wasn't over a late arrival of Krispy Kremes?

That was probably a factor. But afaik no donuts were harmed in the making of that video.

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southernhybrid

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/us/politics/dc-protests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Thousands of Trump supporters are expected to gather Wednesday in the nation’s capital to hear a defeated president and his allies amplify false claims of election fraud during a rally steps from the White House.

Local authorities have enhanced security and warned residents in and around the city to steer clear of potentially violent agitators.

The scene taking shape on the grassy elliptical park just behind the White House is extraordinary. A grand bandstand was erected, huge speakers were attached to tall scaffolding, and thousands of chairs were unfolded on muddy grass ahead of rallies to proclaim victory for a president who lost soundly in November.

President Trump will be leaving office in two weeks, all protests aside.

Though the Trump supporters at Freedom Plaza and elsewhere in Washington were peaceful throughout the day, as the rally wound down after dark, groups of men wearing body armor and helmets began showing up. Some were with the Proud Boys, while others wore insignia identifying them as members of the Three Percenters, a far-right militia group. A few carried baseball bats and clubs.

Asked why they were at the rally in helmets and body armor, a man who appeared to be leading the Three Percenters said, “You know why we’re wearing helmets.” He refused to give his name, angrily dismissing the news media as “traitors” who “gave up on this country.”

By Tuesday night, the Metropolitan Police Department recorded arrests of five people on charges of assault and weapons possession, including one person who was charged with assaulting a police officer.

Let's hope that these assholes don't become too violent later today when the realization that their cult leader lost finally hits them.

Worldtraveller

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I look forward to derec's (as quoted by others) denouncing of this dEstRuCtiON of pRoPertY.

Gospel

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A yo Derec! My Man! Wassup! If that was a group of black people the police would have every right to fear for their lives and use deadly force right? Why aren't they?

Derec

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A yo Derec! My Man! Wassup! If that was a group of black people the police would have every right to fear for their lives and use deadly force right? Why aren't they?

If this was a group of Antifas/BLMers of any race in Seattle or Portland the DA would drop all charges.

I agree this is horrible, and the rioters should be prosecuted

However, back in Summer and during previous #BLM riots some lefty posters claimed that we should give in to rioter demands because they represent real grievances shared by many people.
I vociferously reject that attitude no matter who is rioting.