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Trump 2024?

As Trump ends up in court more and more, we can expect the Trump "save my ass" line to be more and more overtly hostile toward DOJ, law enforcement ... and he will probably get rabid reviews from trumpers for "get rid of these corrupt clowns, abolish the FBI, arrest everyone in SDNY, arrest all the corrupt democrat judges that ruled unfairly against me, line 'em all up against a wall... I won in a landslide". All the Republican politicos who want to inherit X- million trump votes will be forced to agree with the idea of making mass arrests, abolishing existing law enforcement agencies etc. - or face ostracism.

Show me I'm wrong.

I don't think you're wrong, but the kind of voters who crossed over for T in '16 are going to be harder to find. He was going to get the angry white folk in '16 without trying. But I would hear people in coffee shops being swayed by some of the things he was ranting about onstage. I'd hear, "You know, it really is too easy to get into this country. He's right!" Or, "There has to be a way to get more things made in this country. He cares about that." Or, "We need someone who understands business in the WH." He got enough of those voters to carve out his electoral win. If the GOP bears down hard on The Big Steal as a theme, they won't bring many of these voters back for a second spin. Only the true believers, the 33%, IMO, looked at Trumpisms like his traitorous Helsinki appearance and the business about putting light and disinfectants into the body, and didn't see how venomous he is. Also, many more Americans know what a complete liar he is, than was the case 5 years back.
Also, consider how potent an issue Jan. 6 could be, if handled right -- Trumpists have blood on their hands. That should be a breaking point for thoughtful independents. The ones who were persuaded in '16 that Hillary's emails had harmed the country (they didn't) won't be easily led by a party that downplays the horror and degradation of what Trump's mob did.
 
Also, many more Americans know what a complete liar he is, than was the case 5 years back.

I agree with the rest of your post - it all stands to reason and seems almost common sense. The part I quoted above though... I'm not too sure. Some of them are not going to admit to themselves that they voted for a liar, and many more (70% of Republicans) are still choking down The Big Lie. Then there are those who will vote straight Republican tickets as long as Trump isn't at the top of it, ignoring the fact that the candidates they are voting for are favoring the dissolution of democracy. That is pertinent to the midterms.
I tell myself that if 28% of the electorate are Republicans, then 70% of those (The Big Lie believers) comprise only around 20% of the electorate. And maybe the fear of socialism will temper a little between now and 11/22 after Sleepy Joe doesn't steal their guns.
But deeper down, between the trumputin propaganda machine, voter suppression efforts and the predictable disenchantment with the incumbent administration I really expect to see the Dems lose Congress altogether in '22. And I fear that that would open the door for a complete dismantling of democracy, and the installation (by force if necessary) of a Trump or worse* in 2024.

* By "worse" I mean just as malevolent but not as stupid.
 
Also, many more Americans know what a complete liar he is, than was the case 5 years back.

I agree with the rest of your post - it all stands to reason and seems almost common sense. The part I quoted above though... I'm not too sure. Some of them are not going to admit to themselves that they voted for a liar, and many more (70% of Republicans) are still choking down The Big Lie. Then there are those who will vote straight Republican tickets as long as Trump isn't at the top of it, ignoring the fact that the candidates they are voting for are favoring the dissolution of democracy. That is pertinent to the midterms.
I tell myself that if 28% of the electorate are Republicans, then 70% of those (The Big Lie believers) comprise only around 20% of the electorate. And maybe the fear of socialism will temper a little between now and 11/22 after Sleepy Joe doesn't steal their guns.
But deeper down, between the trumputin propaganda machine, voter suppression efforts and the predictable disenchantment with the incumbent administration I really expect to see the Dems lose Congress altogether in '22. And I fear that that would open the door for a complete dismantling of democracy, and the installation (by force if necessary) of a Trump or worse* in 2024.

* By "worse" I mean just as malevolent but not as stupid.

Hell, they're going to make him President in 2022.

https://conservativehardliner.com/p...republicans-unify-fight-against-election-coup

Trump said:
The major Michigan Election Fraud case has just filed a bombshell pleading claiming votes were intentionally switched from President Trump to Joe Biden. The number of votes is MASSIVE and determinative. This will prove true in numerous other States. All Republicans must UNIFY and not let this happen. If a thief robs a jewelry store of all of its diamonds (the 2020 Presidential Election), the diamonds must be returned. The Fake News media refuses to cover the greatest Election Fraud in the history of our Country. They have lost all credibility, but ultimately, they will have no choice!
 
Hell, they're going to make him President in 2022.

https://conservativehardliner.com/p...republicans-unify-fight-against-election-coup

Trump said:
The major Michigan Election Fraud case has just filed a bombshell pleading claiming votes were intentionally switched from President Trump to Joe Biden. The number of votes is MASSIVE and determinative. This will prove true in numerous other States. All Republicans must UNIFY and not let this happen. If a thief robs a jewelry store of all of its diamonds (the 2020 Presidential Election), the diamonds must be returned. The Fake News media refuses to cover the greatest Election Fraud in the history of our Country. They have lost all credibility, but ultimately, they will have no choice!

Well, that 'bombshell' appears to be no more than an orange turdshell that has been played out a couple dozen times to dismissal. This is exceedingly unlikely to turn into another Maricopa 'investigation', as the link you provide suggests with their bombast and Big Lies. This is simply just one of the last gasps of court abuse by the MAGAT crowd...

https://www.record-eagle.com/news/j...cle_8e9d9fca-b1d4-11eb-b374-77313af595a5.html
BELLAIRE — A judge has granted a defense motion to quash, or cancel, more than a dozen subpoenas seeking extensive township-level voting data — the latest action in an ongoing election-related lawsuit in Antrim County.

A Central Lake Township man, Bill Bailey, filed suit Nov. 23, accusing the county of voter fraud, and Judge Kevin Elsenheimer on Monday heard arguments on multiple defense motions, including one to ask him to dismiss the case.

Elsenheimer’s decision on whether to dismiss the lawsuit is expected as soon as May 18.
 
Well, that 'bombshell' appears to be no more than an orange turdshell that has been played out a couple dozen times to dismissal. This is exceedingly unlikely to turn into another Maricopa 'investigation', as the link you provide suggests with their bombast and Big Lies. This is simply just one of the last gasps of court abuse by the MAGAT crowd...

https://www.record-eagle.com/news/j...cle_8e9d9fca-b1d4-11eb-b374-77313af595a5.html
BELLAIRE — A judge has granted a defense motion to quash, or cancel, more than a dozen subpoenas seeking extensive township-level voting data — the latest action in an ongoing election-related lawsuit in Antrim County.

A Central Lake Township man, Bill Bailey, filed suit Nov. 23, accusing the county of voter fraud, and Judge Kevin Elsenheimer on Monday heard arguments on multiple defense motions, including one to ask him to dismiss the case.

Elsenheimer’s decision on whether to dismiss the lawsuit is expected as soon as May 18.

The fact that counties won’t give up voting data will simply be used as proof that they are covering up fraud.

The Trump supporters will never be deterred. Never.
 
Well, that 'bombshell' appears to be no more than an orange turdshell that has been played out a couple dozen times to dismissal. This is exceedingly unlikely to turn into another Maricopa 'investigation', as the link you provide suggests with their bombast and Big Lies. This is simply just one of the last gasps of court abuse by the MAGAT crowd...

https://www.record-eagle.com/news/j...cle_8e9d9fca-b1d4-11eb-b374-77313af595a5.html
BELLAIRE — A judge has granted a defense motion to quash, or cancel, more than a dozen subpoenas seeking extensive township-level voting data — the latest action in an ongoing election-related lawsuit in Antrim County.

A Central Lake Township man, Bill Bailey, filed suit Nov. 23, accusing the county of voter fraud, and Judge Kevin Elsenheimer on Monday heard arguments on multiple defense motions, including one to ask him to dismiss the case.

Elsenheimer’s decision on whether to dismiss the lawsuit is expected as soon as May 18.

The fact that counties won’t give up voting data will simply be used as proof that they are covering up fraud.

The Trump supporters will never be deterred. Never.

Well, it's become a religion. Their beliefs can't be falsified. They are dangerous and should not be allowed to hold office.
 
Hell, they're going to make him President in 2022.

I could well be wrong (which would not be unusual) but my sense is that they're going to need the interim (2022-2024) to "soften up the ground" for the abolition of democracy. Most Americans are not yet ready to say "fuck it, let the fascists have the Country". But we area growing wearier by the day, of their lies and distortions. At some point general apathy is going to take over.
 
Opinion | This is how Donald Trump becomes president again - The Washington Post
Not because he’d get more Americans to vote for him; barring some kind of unforeseen catastrophe, it’s difficult to see that happening. But because his party has so aggressively worked to twist and corrupt the U.S. electoral system, he could clearly lose both the popular and electoral votes and still become president again.
"Step one: Trump decides to run, and obliterates the primary field."

Some of his potential rivals have gone on record as stating that they will not run if Trump runs.

"Step two: Republican voter suppression measures have an impact."
But contained in many of those bills are direct attacks on local elected officials, meant to intimidate them with threats of prosecution and enable GOP-controlled state legislatures to seize power from them. It’s entirely possible that we’ll see power struggles in state after state where local officials trying to administer fair and free elections are usurped by legislatures loyal to Trump who manage to to put a thumb — or a whole hand — on the scale in his favor.
"Step three: GOP state legislatures step in."
There could be a number of states where the Democratic candidate (Joe Biden, if he seeks reelection, or someone else) wins the majority of the vote, and the Republicans who find that outcome unacceptable simply refuse to approve it. This almost happened in 2020; you might remember how Trump summoned Pennsylvania legislators to the White House to have a conversation about their state’s votes. But in the end, his bidding was not done.
"Step four: Republicans in the House of Representatives take control."

Because when a Presidential election is thrown into the House, each state delegation has one vote, and there are more Republican-controlled state delegations than Democratic ones.
 
If that happens, we no longer have representative government. The founders saddled us with an electoral college system which has, on five occasions already, given us Presidents who lost the popular vote to an opponent (J. Q. Adams in 1824, Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, Bush II in '00, and He Who Shall Remain Unnamed in '16.) It's a system which makes a mockery of "the will of the people", and it's a system the GOP thinks it can game.
So... the post above could be right. One can only hope that 1) minority leaders play a smarter game and get voters registered and charged up, and 2) the demographics continue to erode the GOPs core constituency, and 3) that somewhere, maybe swelling in some oven as I write this, there's a Krispy Kreme with that orange lardass's name on it. The Last Krispy Kreme.
 
Matt Gaetz Believes He Could Beat Joe Biden in 2024 - YouTube at Let's Talk Elections

Would MTG be his Vice President?

The State of the 2024 Republican Presidential Primary - YouTube

Mentions bets at predictit.com and also  2024 United States presidential election I add Presidential candidates, 2024 - Ballotpedia

The Democratic side is simple. If Joe Biden runs again, he's likely to be nominated, and if he doesn't run again, then his VP Kamala Harris is likely to be nominated.

The Republican side is more complicated. Donald Trump is favored by at least 50% of the voters, while the rest is split between several candidates. Ron DeSantis has been gaining in support, to where he is now neck-and-neck with Mike Pence. Ted Cruz and Don Jr. are behind them, and now neck-and-neck, and further behind are Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, and Marco Rubio.


The Let's Talk Elections host mentioned PredictIt a site that's full of betting on political issues. The "yes price" varies between 0c and 100c, from certainly false to certainly true.

2024 Presidential Predictions | 2024 Democratic Nominee? JB 43c, KH 38c, Pete Buttigieg 6c, AOC 6c, Elizabeth Warren 4c, Bernie Sanders 3c, Hillary Clinton 3c

2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2022? - 15c
2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2023? - 33c
Who will be the 2024 Republican nominee? | Political Betting Odds - Trump 27c, Ron DeSantis 23c, Nikki Haley 10c, Ted Cruz 6c, Mike Pence 6c, Kristi Noem 6c, Tim Scott 5c, Mike Pompeo 4c, Tucker Carlson 4c, Tom Cotton 4c, Donald Trump Jr, 4c, Marco Rubio 4c, Josh Hawley 4c, Mitt Romney 3c, Rick Scott 3c, Larry Hogan 3c
 
Fox Corp. Board Member Paul Ryan Unironically Urges Republicans To Reject Trump

Wonder what those board meetings are like.

Republicans “will not be impressed by the sight of yes-men and flatterers flocking to Mar-a-Lago,” said the former House speaker, who sits on the Fox board.

But this line really got my attention

And here’s the reality that we have to face: If the conservative cause depends on the populist appeal of one personality, or on second-rate imitations, then we’re not going anywhere.
Said in a speech at the Reagan library. :rolleyes:
 
Matt Gaetz Believes He Could Beat Joe Biden in 2024 - YouTube at Let's Talk Elections

Would MTG be his Vice President?

The State of the 2024 Republican Presidential Primary - YouTube

Mentions bets at predictit.com and also  2024 United States presidential election I add Presidential candidates, 2024 - Ballotpedia

The Democratic side is simple. If Joe Biden runs again, he's likely to be nominated, and if he doesn't run again, then his VP Kamala Harris is likely to be nominated.

The Republican side is more complicated. Donald Trump is favored by at least 50% of the voters, while the rest is split between several candidates. Ron DeSantis has been gaining in support, to where he is now neck-and-neck with Mike Pence. Ted Cruz and Don Jr. are behind them, and now neck-and-neck, and further behind are Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, and Marco Rubio.


The Let's Talk Elections host mentioned PredictIt a site that's full of betting on political issues. The "yes price" varies between 0c and 100c, from certainly false to certainly true.

2024 Presidential Predictions | 2024 Democratic Nominee? JB 43c, KH 38c, Pete Buttigieg 6c, AOC 6c, Elizabeth Warren 4c, Bernie Sanders 3c, Hillary Clinton 3c

2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2022? - 15c
2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2023? - 33c
Who will be the 2024 Republican nominee? | Political Betting Odds - Trump 27c, Ron DeSantis 23c, Nikki Haley 10c, Ted Cruz 6c, Mike Pence 6c, Kristi Noem 6c, Tim Scott 5c, Mike Pompeo 4c, Tucker Carlson 4c, Tom Cotton 4c, Donald Trump Jr, 4c, Marco Rubio 4c, Josh Hawley 4c, Mitt Romney 3c, Rick Scott 3c, Larry Hogan 3c

I live in Maryland and what is really sad is that Hogan has been a rather really good governor, very reasonable. Progressive even. Too bad that Maryland is a small state and that he has little influence outside of it. There once was a VP from Maryland, but we won't go there for any history.
 
So DeSantis edges out Trump in a straw poll for 2024 presidential candidate. Is Trump mum on this?
While not having half-baked and four years crazier Trump run, I’m more concerned with KH running in 2024 for the Dems. In this sense, I feel Biden painted the Dems into a corner having someone who got lost in the grass so early in the 2020 primaries as the heir apparent for 2024.
 
Because the new movie is coming out later this year, I'm starting to wonder if Trump is just a shitty GOP knockoff of Paul Atreidies. Obviously, for the analogy to work, you have to use the first three books and not just the one everyone has heard of.

So Trump winning in 2016 was the breaking through the shield wall and marching into Arrakeen moment. Then throughout the Trump presidency, you have the events of Dune Messiah, where the cracks are showing on Paul Atreides golden path. In the book, "old power" like The Guild and Bene Gesserit started undermining this upstart, much like Bush Republicans came out in droves denouncing Trump. Then in Children of Dune, the fascistic religion of Muad'dib took over and Paul Atreides was simply a blind man in the desert no one listened to anymore. The MAGA religion has taken a life of its own with people like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor-Greene being the Alia and Javid of this new religion.

Just so we're clear; the reason why I like this analogy is the idea of Trump slowly fading away in obscurity moaning against a movement he helped build is so very appealing. I don't think his ego could handle it.
 
Donald J. Trump is the greatest President ever — everybody says so. But the country needs to face the sad prospect that this great man will be unable to serve in 2025. For one thing, he may be indicted in New York — a state run by the baby-killing child-enslaving pro-Taliban communists — and subject to arrest if he visits any state run by the coastal liberal elites.

With several swing states — Arizona, Florida, Georgia and North Carolina — determined to let the GOP rather than voters determine election outcomes, and coal miners in the swing state of Pennsylvania becoming increasingly aware that Biden and Harris are Marxists who are planting electronic trackers in the bloodstreams of patriotic Americans (and targeting a $900/barrel oil price), it is clear that the Ds will have no chance in the 2024 election. But who will become the 47th President of the U.S.A.? Which Republican will get this honor? Tucker Carlson? Maria Bartiromo? Josh Hawley or MTG? Who are the Rs going to run? Vladimir Putin is their top strategic thinker, but he wasn't born in the U.S.A.

Ivanka seems to be deserting her father despite the great love he has professed for her. And Charles Koch may draw the line at nominating a certified imbecile like Donald Jr. So who will carry the MAGA banner in 2024?

Attention focuses on the top contender, Rafael Edward Cruz. A brilliant man, whose own father allegedly freed the country from JFK's fascist boot. Watch this TV show sing his praises:
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Because the new movie is coming out later this year, I'm starting to wonder if Trump is just a shitty GOP knockoff of Paul Atreidies. Obviously, for the analogy to work, you have to use the first three books and not just the one everyone has heard of.

So Trump winning in 2016 was the breaking through the shield wall and marching into Arrakeen moment. Then throughout the Trump presidency, you have the events of Dune Messiah, where the cracks are showing on Paul Atreides golden path. In the book, "old power" like The Guild and Bene Gesserit started undermining this upstart, much like Bush Republicans came out in droves denouncing Trump. Then in Children of Dune, the fascistic religion of Muad'dib took over and Paul Atreides was simply a blind man in the desert no one listened to anymore. The MAGA religion has taken a life of its own with people like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor-Greene being the Alia and Javid of this new religion.

Just so we're clear; the reason why I like this analogy is the idea of Trump slowly fading away in obscurity moaning against a movement he helped build is so very appealing. I don't think his ego could handle it.
I get the idea, but Clownstick seems to be a better fit with Baron Vladimir Harkonnen in other ways:

Baron-Trump.jpg
 
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