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The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.

Now that you have identified one of the obviously unfair mechanisms whereby white people control the US, why are you still whining that white people don’t control the US? Did you forget what you just said?

BTW, both small and large States underrepresent minorities in the Senate and in the House.
 

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If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

What makes you think there are no white people who despise racism and slavery?
You’re not the only white person around.

If white people didn’t control this country, the US Senate wouldn’t be 89% white.
Why wouldn't it be? The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.


I think you missed the point. :ROFLMAO: Black 1%ers isn't a thing and white people hold the majority of political positions in this country. This goes for all three arms of our (yes I said our) government. Heck even when slavery was abolished it wasn't black people that did it. We just marched our asses off and got violently fucked around every corner. It was white people that agreed to and had the power to make amendments. Still the case today. I admit I don't care about some statue getting torn down (no matter whose statue it is) what I care about is America turning to tyranny out of fear and ignorance as a result of "we the people" putting self-centered simpletons in powerful positions.
 

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Also, refusing to recognize the flaws of the people who started America, and rather than seeking to make improvements you hullaballoo about some MAGA shit while allowing the flags of our enemies to be flown before our fucking president and then marched into our capital.

Maybe white people should step aside after all, yall slippin.
 

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Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.
That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?
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While Jefferson has largely been spared, statues honoring Confederate figures such as Gen. Robert E. Lee have been removed nationwide in cities and on college campuses. More than 140 Confederate monuments have been removed from public land since the Charleston, S.C., church shooting in 2015, and about two-thirds of those came down in 2020 in the aftermath of Floyd’s murder, according to data tracked by The Washington Post. Yet more than 700 Confederate monuments remained at the end of last year, along with hundreds of names on roads, schools, parks and the like.
 

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WTF is afflicting Mr Vonse?
First he comes out vehemently denying that white people control the Country.
I cite an example of white people controlling the country.
He says "what do you expect"?
I wonder what HE expects.

Apparently, non-whites getting any representation at all is viewed as a lamentable loss of white power.
Almost as if non-whites are sub-human in the minds of white conservatives.
Now he's not responding... kinda like a certain creature from Norse mythology that dwells in caves, under bridges etc.
 

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Trump barely squeezed through by stealing the electoral college because folks didn't like Hillary.
How did he steal the electoral college? Or do you mean it in the sense akin to "stealing a base" rather than theft?
Because convincing more people to vote for you then voted for your opponent in key states is not theft, even if reason why voters in those key states did not vote for her is because they found her unlikable. Note that they liked her well enough in states like California, but running up the score there is worth bupkis.
Do you not understand what the 1/6 plot was?!
 

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Or it could just be that the US is not quite as racist as some want us to believe. Just how did a racist country elect a black president? Because there were so many racist voters who decided to vote for someone who was not their own race?

To be sure, the US was racist in the past but does that mean reverse racism should be the acceptable norm now? And if whites are punished and reformed today for sins of the past they had no control over, how does that help the US progress in the future? Especially those whites (like Elon Musk who immigrated themselves recently) who clearly had nothing to do with the US pre 1860 circa.

Will such policies enhance social acceptance and harmony? Do we see such results working today?
The problem is that we aren't all alike.

Most people are pretty much not racist. That's why we could elect Obama, that's why the only racism my wife and I have encountered have been from people objecting to her marrying outside her race.

However, there is a kernel of highly racist people. Fortunately, most of them aren't in a position to do too much damage. Unfortunately, they're trying to get into a position to do a lot of damage.
 

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The focus on illegal immigrants committing crimes is mystifying. Especially since those same panic-stricken xenophobic fearmongers are statistically more likely to commit crimes than are the objects of their terror.
They need to demonize them somehow. Most of us realize that the illegals aren't a big problem. Their real sin is not being white.
 

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That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders. It would be the act of an insane person to destroy their own legacy.

Perhaps white people do still have the most money. But what good did having money do for the jews in Germany?
Founders aren't automatically good guys. The left doesn't automatically worship people because of the position they held.

And note that most of the statues that have been torn down are Jim Crow era symbols of repression, not statues of founders anyway.
 

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Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.
That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?
I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?
 

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I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?

The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
 

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I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?
Or you could be like RVonse and mistake mythology as history.
 

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If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

What makes you think there are no white people who despise racism and slavery?
You’re not the only white person around.

If white people didn’t control this country, the US Senate wouldn’t be 89% white.
Why wouldn't it be? The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.


I think you missed the point. :ROFLMAO: Black 1%ers isn't a thing and white people hold the majority of political positions in this country. This goes for all three arms of our (yes I said our) government. Heck even when slavery was abolished it wasn't black people that did it. We just marched our asses off and got violently fucked around every corner. It was white people that agreed to and had the power to make amendments. Still the case today. I admit I don't care about some statue getting torn down (no matter whose statue it is) what I care about is America turning to tyranny out of fear and ignorance as a result of "we the people" putting self-centered simpletons in powerful positions.
I respect all what you have to say here.

But I still don't think 2 wrongs make a right. And no argument this country wasn't perfect and still isn't perfect. But all that needs to end when political activists attempts to indoctrinate all of the youth into hating and tearing down their own legacy.

Its just not healthy for anyone living today. It really is very much the beginning stages of exactly what happened to jews circa 1939 Germany.

I can agree we did (and sometimes do) some really bad shit without agreeing we should throw 1%er whites to the dogs. Even if they might deserve it.
 

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Now he's not responding... kinda like a certain creature from Norse mythology that dwells in caves, under bridges etc.
I enjoy coming here but I can't spend my whole day at the keyboard. Sorry.
 

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Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.
That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?
I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?
First it is their statues....and then it is their books and what they teach their youth. After more indoctrination they can be treated like animals and then thrown into the camps....
 

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That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders. It would be the act of an insane person to destroy their own legacy.

Perhaps white people do still have the most money. But what good did having money do for the jews in Germany?
Founders aren't automatically good guys. The left doesn't automatically worship people because of the position they held.

And note that most of the statues that have been torn down are Jim Crow era symbols of repression, not statues of founders anyway.
The founders might not have been nights in white shining armer but they were still the founders of this country. Good or bad, you can not just erase them.
 

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Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.
That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?
I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?
First it is their statues....and then it is their books and what they teach their youth. After more indoctrination they can be treated like animals and then thrown into the camps....
Yes, because nobody in the United States has ever heard of Benedict Arnold. He never even HAD a statue, so how can we possibly know anything about him?
 

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So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.
 
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So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.
But the point is how everything happened before and is on track progressing to happen again. We have accumulated more technology, but human beings ourselves are basically the same animals with the same flaws, traits, and demeanor.

Many have wondered why the Jewish people did not leave their homes long before the rail cars came to pick them up, because they had that opportunity.

I'm guessing the Jews thought exactly as you do....
 

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So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.
But the point is how everything happened before and is on track progressing to happen again. We have accumulated more technology, but human beings ourselves are basically the same animals with the same flaws, traits, and demeanor.

Many have wondered why the Jewish people did not leave their homes long before the rail cars came to pick them up, because they had that opportunity.

I'm guessing the Jews thought exactly as you do....
Funny, because you supported the guy driving the train.
 

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The heart of the plan is derived from an executive order known as “Schedule F,” developed and refined in secret over most of the second half of Trump’s term and launched 13 days before the 2020 election.

The reporting for this series draws on extensive interviews over a period of more than three months with more than two dozen people close to the former president, and others who have firsthand knowledge of the work underway to prepare for a potential second term. Most spoke on condition of anonymity to describe sensitive planning and avoid Trump’s ire.
They intend to stack thousands of mid-level staff jobs. Well-funded groups are already developing lists of candidates selected often for their animus against the system — in line with Trump’s long-running obsession with draining “the swamp.” This includes building extensive databases of people vetted as being committed to Trump and his agenda.

The preparations are far more advanced and ambitious than previously reported. What is happening now is an inversion of the slapdash and virtually non-existent infrastructure surrounding Trump ahead of his 2017 presidential transition.

These groups are operating on multiple fronts: shaping policies, identifying top lieutenants, curating an alternative labor force of unprecedented scale, and preparing for legal challenges and defenses that might go before Trump-friendly judges, all the way to a 6-3 Supreme Court.
 

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The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.
 

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So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.
But the point is how everything happened before and is on track progressing to happen again. We have accumulated more technology, but human beings ourselves are basically the same animals with the same flaws, traits, and demeanor.

Many have wondered why the Jewish people did not leave their homes long before the rail cars came to pick them up, because they had that opportunity.

I'm guessing the Jews thought exactly as you do....
The Jewish question began with attempts to remove statues of slavers from public squares? Citations, please.
 

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Yes, because nobody in the United States has ever heard of Benedict Arnold. He never even HAD a statue, so how can we possibly know anything about him?

A minor quibble, but he does have a statue.
You mean this one?

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The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.
After controlling for other demographic factors, people voting D are, on average, better educated and better informed than people voting R. You really didn't know that? :confused2:
 

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The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.
After controlling for other demographic factors, people voting D are, on average, better educated and better informed than people voting R. You really didn't know that? :confused2:
It shouldn't be at all surprising, really. The right embraces ignorance as a matter of course. Bringing it back to Trump and January 6th, the hearings have shown us that people all up the GOP food chain knew there was no "widespread voter fraud," but they stuck with the narrative to the point of political violence. It is difficult to come to any conclusion other than that they consider their "base" to be gullible rubes.

Here in AZ, the outgoing governor is on the outs with Trump because he certified the election results despite Trump calling him literally while he was signing the papers. The GOP front-runner has her photo side by side with Trump on her campaign signs, and insists that the election was "stolen." I'm not certain, but I'd be willing to bet that she's well aware that the election was not stolen at all. Like Trump, I've got just a couple degrees of separation from Kari Lake. I knew her former TV co-host and his wife, and other people who worked at the local Fox affiliate. She is not stupid. She's running a grift.
 

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The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.
Well, maybe we wouldn’t, if you didn’t keep providing evidence that it’s true.
 

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The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.
After controlling for other demographic factors, people voting D are, on average, better educated and better informed than people voting R. You really didn't know that? :confused2:
It shouldn't be at all surprising, really. The right embraces ignorance as a matter of course. Bringing it back to Trump and January 6th, the hearings have shown us that people all up the GOP food chain knew there was no "widespread voter fraud," but they stuck with the narrative to the point of political violence. It is difficult to come to any conclusion other than that they consider their "base" to be gullible rubes.

Here in AZ, the outgoing governor is on the outs with Trump because he certified the election results despite Trump calling him literally while he was signing the papers. The GOP front-runner has her photo side by side with Trump on her campaign signs, and insists that the election was "stolen." I'm not certain, but I'd be willing to bet that she's well aware that the election was not stolen at all. Like Trump, I've got just a couple degrees of separation from Kari Lake. I knew her former TV co-host and his wife, and other people who worked at the local Fox affiliate. She is not stupid. She's running a grift.
They all know it wasn't stolen. They all know that it's really them stealing it. I'm not sure how many are aware directly of the knowledge, but every time there's this "tone" in the message when you hear it out loud.

It's this kind of snide indignance when they say it as if it is a matter of indisputable fact, like they read it from somewhere else and the words didn't come from them.

I don't think I've ever really heard the kind of anger and fire that a real belief in such carries.
 

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More Republicans are dumping Trump. But the GOP still imperils democracy.

One explanation of their sudden change of heart is expediency. They — like many GOP donors and an increasing segment of Republicans — have become disgusted with the drama and are nervous that having led an insurrection might be a disadvantage for the presidential nominee in 2024. Now that the facts of that insurrection are so widely known and the mainstream media are amplifying the hearings, even some Republicans (e.g., Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson) are ruling out support for Trump. It seems they have finally concluded it simply is not possible to defend Trump’s conduct outside the core of MAGA cultists.

The other (not mutually exclusive) explanation is that Republicans have begun to consider less embarrassing alternatives to Trump who could deliver the same outcomes. While some MAGA extremists have prevailed in the primary elections (e.g., Doug Mastriano in Pennsylvania’s governor race), others have belly-flopped (e.g., David Perdue running for Georgia governor).
Certainly, dumping a compulsive liar, authoritarian narcissist and possible defendant in multiple criminal cases could be a plus for Republicans. But it’s not a panacea. The two most dangerous features of Trumpism are very much alive and dominate the GOP.


First, the party has inarguably turned antidemocratic. It wants fewer voters. It wants partisan control of election administration. Many “mainstream” Republicans still leave open the possibility they would have refused to certify Joe Biden’s victory. And state parties continue to drum out of their ranks 2020 truth-tellers such as Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers. Remember: Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) was the only Republican senator willing to debate a national voting rights bill, including a reinstatement of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.
Second, the Republican Party has gone all-in when it comes to White Christian nationalism, insisting the state use its power to impose reactionary religious views. Theodore R. Johnson, director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s fellows program, writes:
Think of the people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, who marched through Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us,” who proselytize the “Great Replacement” theory, or who champion a religious ethnonationalism that harks to the covenant myth. They reject multicultural American identity. ...
Or think of the various battles in our long-raging culture war — the “don’t say gay” bills, paranoia about critical race theory, intolerance of free speech rights for people with different beliefs, identity politics, debates about racial and gender equality, etc. Often in these kinds of disputes one side insists that there is only one way to be American. They seem to demand conformity and threaten ostracism.
Indeed, it’s arguably more important for Republican politicians to be warriors for Christian nationalism and generators of racial grievance than Trump apologists. Republican Govs. Ron DeSantis of Florida and Greg Abbott of Texas continue to build their brands around fear-mongering against critical race theory, anti-immigrant animus and attacks on LGBTQ families. Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, put out a multi-part plan strewn with talking points on abortion, LGBTQ Americans and race with ample references to Christianity, including a declaration that “the nuclear family is crucial to civilization, it is God’s design for humanity, and it must be protected and celebrated.” More than 70 percent of House Republicans voted against a bill that would protect gay marriage.
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The trouble I have is that Republican voters can't both believe the election was stolen and think Trump isn't a viable candidate. Trump isn't out until he says he is out.
 

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The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.
The true tragedy are that many statutes raised to 'honor' the Confederacy were erected in response to the Civil Rights movement.
 

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The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.
The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.
True, it is a tragedy for you RW extremists whenever the truth comes to light. The more people know the truth, the more tragic it is for conservotards.
 

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onald Trump, a man who should not be allowed to step foot in the District of Columbia ever again, unfortunately returned on Tuesday, and he came bearing a message: Should he win a second term in 2024, not only will the walls off the White House look like a Jackson Pollock sponsored by Heinz, but he won’t have a single lingering doubt about going full totalitarian dictator.

In a speech delivered at the America First Policy Institute’s two-day summit, the former president kicked things off by explaining that the U.S. should model its strategy for drug dealers off of that of authoritarian countries like China, which execute such people. “If you look at countries throughout the world, the ones that don’t have a drug problem are those that institute a very quick trial—death penalty sentence for drug dealers,” Trump said in his speech. In his first term, Trump frequently spoke of his desire to sentence drug dealers to death. In April 2017, he called the then president of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte, to praise the guy for the country’s crackdown on drugs that reportedly resulted in the killing of more than 12,000 people. “I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem,” Trump reportedly said, referring, glowingly, to Duterte’s extrajudicial murder spree. “Many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing and I just wanted to call and tell you that.” A year later, Axios reported that he’d internally raised the prospect of executing drug dealers in the U.S. on numerous occasions.

In addition to a pledge to use the National Guard for dubious ends, despite the fact that he didn’t think they were necessary on January 6:


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Former President Trump on Wednesday said he planned to file a lawsuit against CNN, alleging the network has repeatedly defamed him dating back to his 2016 campaign for the presidency.

“I have notified CNN of my intent to file a lawsuit over their repeated defamatory statements against me,” Trump said in a statement. “I will also be commencing actions against other media outlets who have defamed me and defrauded the public regarding the overwhelming evidence of fraud throughout the 2020 Election. I will never stop fighting for the truth and for the future of our Country!”

The 282-page letter from Trump’s attorneys to CNN executives, dated July 21, calls for the network to retract or correct numerous on-air statements and published articles about Trump that the lawyers allege are false and defamatory.

The letter goes on to cite dozens of examples, many of which relate to the network’s coverage of Trump’s repeated claims that the 2020 presidential election was fraudulent. CNN coverage frequently referred to those claims as “lies,” “false narratives” and “baseless theories,” among other terms.

The lawsuit alleges those descriptions are “false and defamatory,” in part because Trump genuinely believes his claims that the election was stolen.

“Without regard for President Trump’s genuine belief in his statements, CNN has published numerous articles characterizing him as a ‘liar’ and the purveyor of the ‘Big Lie,'” the letter to CNN states.
 

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Former President Trump on Wednesday said he planned to file a lawsuit against CNN, alleging the network has repeatedly defamed him dating back to his 2016 campaign for the presidency.

“I have notified CNN of my intent to file a lawsuit over their repeated defamatory statements against me,” Trump said in a statement. “I will also be commencing actions against other media outlets who have defamed me and defrauded the public regarding the overwhelming evidence of fraud throughout the 2020 Election. I will never stop fighting for the truth and for the future of our Country!”

The 282-page letter from Trump’s attorneys to CNN executives, dated July 21, calls for the network to retract or correct numerous on-air statements and published articles about Trump that the lawyers allege are false and defamatory.

The letter goes on to cite dozens of examples, many of which relate to the network’s coverage of Trump’s repeated claims that the 2020 presidential election was fraudulent. CNN coverage frequently referred to those claims as “lies,” “false narratives” and “baseless theories,” among other terms.

The lawsuit alleges those descriptions are “false and defamatory,” in part because Trump genuinely believes his claims that the election was stolen.

“Without regard for President Trump’s genuine belief in his statements, CNN has published numerous articles characterizing him as a ‘liar’ and the purveyor of the ‘Big Lie,'” the letter to CNN states.
282 pages? Which ones prove the voter fraud? That would be a helluva thing, wouldn't it? More than 18 months after the election was over and done with, Trump's attorneys managed to muster enough proof that he really didn't lose? I can't wait to hear all this "evidence."

Will I have to subscribe to a streaming service so I can watch a movie produced by a felon?

I'm just asking questions...
 

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The problem that Trump was a liar and there is lots of evidence that the election was fair and Trump was told this repeatedly. CNN will probably get any Trump suits tossed as frivolous suits with no chances of success. Simply, any such Trump suits would be SLAPP suits. Just another failed lawsuit like the 60+ lawsuits Trump's team has already lost.
 

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In a new dispatch from the phantasmagorical world of Russian state TV, Russia media monitor Julia Davis observes that Putin’s peeps have rarely been so frothy in their fervor for the former guy.

Gee, it’s almost as if one of our staunchest geopolitical foes wants the biggest fuckup on the planet to lead our country again for some reason.

The Daily Beast:

Andrey Sidorov, deputy dean of world politics at Moscow State University, explained why he considered Trump’s presidency to have been particularly useful to Russia: “From my point of view, Trump was engaged in a very positive endeavor: He was destroying the leadership of the United States in the world. [emphasis added] He questioned the very structure of global relationships built by his predecessors, along with their partners and allies… He wanted to turn those into commercial relationships and Europe didn’t like it at all.”
 

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If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

What makes you think there are no white people who despise racism and slavery?
You’re not the only white person around.

If white people didn’t control this country, the US Senate wouldn’t be 89% white.
Why wouldn't it be? The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.


I think you missed the point. :ROFLMAO: Black 1%ers isn't a thing and white people hold the majority of political positions in this country. This goes for all three arms of our (yes I said our) government. Heck even when slavery was abolished it wasn't black people that did it. We just marched our asses off and got violently fucked around every corner. It was white people that agreed to and had the power to make amendments. Still the case today. I admit I don't care about some statue getting torn down (no matter whose statue it is) what I care about is America turning to tyranny out of fear and ignorance as a result of "we the people" putting self-centered simpletons in powerful positions.
I respect all what you have to say here.

But I still don't think 2 wrongs make a right. And no argument this country wasn't perfect and still isn't perfect. But all that needs to end when political activists attempts to indoctrinate all of the youth into hating and tearing down their own legacy.
I'm about as American white as one can get, with over a dozen lines coming off the Plymouth 1620 landing, and I find your fears about them coming for us Whities, to be off the wall and without basis. Statues in general are a form of showing respect and putting a person or idea on a pedestal. The southern civil war "heroes" were traitors to the country. There is no reason to put them up on a pedestal in the first place. They remain in our history books, and that is fine.

Its just not healthy for anyone living today. It really is very much the beginning stages of exactly what happened to jews circa 1939 Germany.
It was closer to circa 1932/3 that it started, and it didn't begin with tearing down Jewish statues. What happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany cannot happen here to us Whities for at least 100-200 years, as even if we aren't the absolute majority, we certainly will be the most dominant racial force for a hell of a long time. This is just garbage you are picking up from fruitcake fearmongering media sites.
 

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This is just garbage you are picking up from fruitcake fearmongering media sites.
And to that extent, this forum is a garbage dump for deluded RW extremists. Much as I do resent that, it is informative regarding the genesis and prevalence of wackadoodle conspiracy crap.
It puts the exclamation point on “a person is smart, people are idiots”. People who are able to tie their own shoes, are nonetheless astonishingly vulnerable to groupthink á la The Big Lie.
 

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In a second term, Trump will insist on loyalty with every appointment, but two types of loyalists exist. The first is senior Republicans who are steadfastly loyal even if they personally disagree with Trump on certain issues, such as Russia or military intervention in the Middle East. These figures are cut from the mold of Mike Pompeo. They include Senators Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, and Secretary of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin. Trump may give these people senior positions, but they will not be free to contradict the president or to pursue their own agendas unless they temporarily align with Trump.

The second group is the ultra-loyalists, who owe their positions entirely to Trump’s patronage. These are political operatives such as Richard Grenell, who was Trump’s ambassador to Germany and acted as director of national intelligence for 96 days, and retired military officers and now–cable-news commentators such as Anthony Tata and Douglas McGregor. This group also includes the ultra-ultras—Trump’s family members, who have played a role in his first term, and could be given formal positions of authority in a second. Think of Jared Kushner as national security adviser or secretary of state if Republicans retain a majority in the Senate.

Close aides believed Trump had crossed a psychological line during his Senate trial. He now wanted to get even; he wanted to fire every single last "snake" inside his government. To activate the plan for revenge, Trump turned to a young take-no-prisoners loyalist with chutzpah: his former aide John McEntee.

By the end of that year, Trump also had a second tool in his armory, a secret weapon with the innocuous title, "Schedule F." The intention of this obscure legal instrument was to empower the president to wipe out employment protections for tens of thousands of civil servants across the federal government.

The mission for McEntee and the power of Schedule F dovetailed in the lead-up to the 2020 election as Trump planned (but lost) a second term and fumed over perceived foes.

If former President Trump runs again in 2024 and wins back the White House, people close to him say, he would turn to both levers again. It is Schedule F, combined with the willpower of top lieutenants like McEntee, that could bring Trump closer to his dream of gutting the federal bureaucracy and installing thousands devoted to him or his "America First" platform.

On policing, Trump specifically called for a "return to stop-and-frisk policies in cities," argued that cities should not "strip (police) of their liability shield in any way shape or form" and generally said the country should "give our police back their authority, resources power and prestige."
At one point, Trump praised the way Chinese President Xi Jinping handled drug dealers, recalling a moment where the Chinese president told him about "quick trials" for drug criminals in China that he estimated sentenced people in "two hours."
"It sounds horrible, doesn't it? But those are the ones that don't have any problem. It doesn't take 15 years in court. It goes quickly," Trump said, before he endorsed a "very strong death penalty for the people who sell drugs" -- something he has argued for since he was president.
To combat crime, Trump argued that the next president needs to circumvent governors and deploy the National Guard and "go beyond the governor," despite Republicans often arguing on behalf of state's rights.
"When governors refuse to protect their people, we need to bring in what is necessary anyway," Trump said, specifically arguing "the next president needs to send the National Guard to the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago until safety can be restored."
Trump also suggested the federal government needs to build large tent cities on the outskirts of some of the nation's largest urban centers and clear out current homeless camps. He said the government should "create thousands and thousands of high quality tents" at the "outer reaches of the cities," and then bring in medical professionals, psychologists and psychiatrists to work with people.
 

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But I still don't think 2 wrongs make a right. And no argument this country wasn't perfect and still isn't perfect. But all that needs to end when political activists attempts to indoctrinate all of the youth into hating and tearing down their own legacy.

Its just not healthy for anyone living today. It really is very much the beginning stages of exactly what happened to jews circa 1939 Germany.

I can agree we did (and sometimes do) some really bad shit without agreeing we should throw 1%er whites to the dogs. Even if they might deserve it.

You're not completely wrong. It would be a digression here to defend slave-owners like Washington, Jefferson and even Robert E. Lee but they were products of their time, place and situation. (In some cases it would have been illegal for them to emancipate their slaves.) JFK was a womanizer and Winston Churchill drank to excess; should their statues be torn down also?

But "very much the beginning stages of exactly what happened to jews circa 1939 Germany" ??? :fuckoff: :eek:

Get a grip!

(And by the way, what's with the emphasis on "1%er whites"? Has someone argued that it is the rich who support past slavery, etc.?)

First it is their statues....and then it is their books and what they teach their youth. After more indoctrination they can be treated like animals and then thrown into the camps....

@ RVonse — I don't think of you as a Trumpist or QAnon'er. Should I?

It is influential voices on the right-wing that want to burn schoolbooks and persecute those who don't think like them. You can hear this (at least "between the lines") in the ravings of Trump himself and other top QOPsters. If you hear it on the "left," it's not from Biden or any serious thinker, just from the fool who attached himself to antifa hoping to get laid.

QOPsters insist on imputing their own sins and crimes to their opponents. Trump is a sexual harasser? His ilk pretend the Ds are the harassers. Media like FoxNews brainwash their dupes into fantasy-based group-think? The dupes think it is CNN which enforces group-think. Trump is a grifter? Fox listeners think it's the Ds who grift.

Have you also fallen for their propaganda, RVonse?
 

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With Rupert Murdoch and other top QOPsters deserting him, it may seem like T***p is unlikely to win in 2024.

But the punters at the Betfair prediction market haven't reacted yet. Here are some numbers I derived almost four months ago, along with the very latest Betfair line:

Early April
70% GOP-majority Senate in 2023
84% GOP-majority House in 2023
54% GOP White House in 2025
Winner:
22% Trump
15% Biden
14% DeSantis
7% Harris

Late July
57% GOP-majority Senate in 2023
88% GOP-majority House in 2023
58% GOP White House in 2025
Winner:
25% Trump
19% DeSantis
11% Biden
6% Newsom
6% Harris
 

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With Rupert Murdoch and other top QOPsters deserting him, it may seem like T***p is unlikely to win in 2024.
Trump was the worst President since the mid 19th century... and nearly won re-election. There are no metrics to use to base his chances of winning. He has broken all of the rules and patterns and defied all convention. That the GOP is threatening him, implies they are scared to death of him.
But the punters at the Betfair prediction market haven't reacted yet. Here are some numbers I derived almost four months ago, along with the very latest Betfair line:

Early April
70% GOP-majority Senate in 2023
84% GOP-majority House in 2023
54% GOP White House in 2025
Winner:
22% Trump
15% Biden
14% DeSantis
7% Harris

Late July
57% GOP-majority Senate in 2023
88% GOP-majority House in 2023
58% GOP White House in 2025
Winner:
25% Trump
19% DeSantis
11% Biden
6% Newsom
6% Harris
I find the GOP Majority in 2023 odd, because the GOP actually have the hardest time, both in taking seats back and holding onto seats. The Dems have a great shot at 53 seats in 2023.

I will note, the above also does not take Dobbs into consideration.
 
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