Great Republican Ideas

[Elixir]

America is great just the way it is was is.

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I must admit that this is the closest that anyone in this thread so far has come to painting the positive Republican vision of America.
That it would strike most people as a dystopian "Murka", may or may not be at odds with what most conservatives actually think they're working toward.
They haven't shown up to say one way or the other in this thread for some reason...
Maybe they're working on it.

 

[Elixir]

HR 1193 - "This bill expands research on valvular heart disease and its treatment. This disease is caused by damage to or disease affecting any valve that controls blood flow in the heart."

THAT does look positive, even if it is offered out of personal self interest of an elected official.
I think "somewhat serious" attached to that list reveals its truly cynical, sarcastic and possibly even facetious nature.

 

[jonatha]

HR 1193 - "This bill expands research on valvular heart disease and its treatment. This disease is caused by damage to or disease affecting any valve that controls blood flow in the heart."

THAT does look positive, even if it is offered out of personal self interest of an elected official.
I think "somewhat serious" attached to that list reveals its truly cynical, sarcastic and possibly even facetious nature.

Moi?

 

[Keith&Co.]

THAT does look positive, even if it is offered out of personal self interest of an elected official.

That actually makes it negative, in my mind. They've had the ability to fund such research for however long, and nothing happens until it affects this person personally? If he'd been motivated by OTHER people dying of the condition, people he wasn't connected to beyond 'his constituents,' he might have funded it well enough and early enough to have positively impacted his wife's situation.

Especially since other people are dying of other things, such as the condo collapse, and the GOP response is not 'Shit we gotta save people from this sort of thing,' but to down play it with 'Now, let's not go overboard with construction standards and inspection frequency just because there was a tragedy...'

So any benefit from this legislation just highlights their efforts to avoid protecting anyone else if it might cost rich people a few bucks.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

but what about the unintended consequences of the unintended consequences that you may have thought were good? I mean, what if killing off Qarens actually leads to more conspiracies about why they died which then leads to more Qarens?

If conspiracies kill of conspiracy nuts, then more conspiracies will kill off more conspiracy nuts.
They talked themselves OUT of vaccines, they talked themselves INTO bleach and hydrochlorinine (or whatever), they'll talk themselves out of the next precautionary measure, they'll talk themselves into felonies and post them to YouTube for the Feds' benefit, and they'll talk themselves into, i dunno, moving to Texas for the freedom to melt/freeze to death? It's a feedback loop that'll eventually start taking them out in droves.

Yeah, but in conditions that endanger our lives at well. This isn't a, 'strap themselves to a rocket and launch to colonize The Moon' thing where their harm is just harm against them. These idiots have helped contribute to the deaths of thousands.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

but what about the unintended consequences of the unintended consequences that you may have thought were good? I mean, what if killing off Qarens actually leads to more conspiracies about why they died which then leads to more Qarens?

If conspiracies kill of conspiracy nuts, then more conspiracies will kill off more conspiracy nuts.
They talked themselves OUT of vaccines, they talked themselves INTO bleach and hydrochlorinine (or whatever), they'll talk themselves out of the next precautionary measure, they'll talk themselves into felonies and post them to YouTube for the Feds' benefit, and they'll talk themselves into, i dunno, moving to Texas for the freedom to melt/freeze to death? It's a feedback loop that'll eventually start taking them out in droves.

I think that might be an assumption. Perhaps, you have to look at the death rate versus the replacement rate and/or consider some other variables here. Suppose, for example, that for each new conservative martyr that is created, there are 20 new Qarens created. BUT out of those Qarens, only one in the 20 ends up martyring themselves. I guess the other question is how much can the existence of these Qarens push the center of American politics to convert more centrists and moderates into Republicans. I mean, even a far leftie like me is having second thoughts on Republicans like John Kasich...and that's because on a relative level, they are starting to seem reasonable and honorable...and so this probably is impacting centrists and moderates much more.

 

[crazyfingers]

Hey people, I don't see any really good current Republican ideas.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yeah, but in conditions that endanger our lives at well. This isn't a, 'strap themselves to a rocket and launch to colonize The Moon' thing where their harm is just harm against them. These idiots have helped contribute to the deaths of thousands.

yes, but 99% of the Covid deaths last month were unvaccinated. I have no idea how many were legit unable to be vaccinated, thru no fault of their own, but the numbers have to be heavily weighted towards idiots.
And we're movung in self-defense to isolate ourselves. No unvaxxed at a hospital or other business, not going where the incautious hang out. The two groups are moving in two directions, one clearly demonstrating that pride goeth before destruction.
And the divide is only going to get worse.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I think that might be an assumption. Perhaps, you have to look at the death rate versus the replacement rate and/or consider some other variables here.

If you have numbrrs, i would like to see them.
But while RW media talks up the martyrdom, i don't think it's persuading all that many.

I keep seeing people survive COVID and realize it's real and advocate for vaccination.
I see survivors who lost someone to Covid who make sure to point out it was his/her denial thst done for them.
I see interviews with insurrectionists, post-arrest, realizing Trump conned them.

Some are steadfast.
Some a re wavering or turning.
I would wonder how someone dying of COVID drives someone else, who isn't already anti-vax, to taking up that stance. And how many.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How far back in history are we allowed? In other words, is this about the Jekyll republicans or the hyde republicans?

This is so important.

The Republican Party I grew up with had little in common with the TeaParty Republicans we have now.
Tom

Exactly. I have considerable political agreement with the Republicans of old. I have almost no agreement with the modern Republicans.

 

[WAB]

At the suggestion of @Metaphor, I am creating this thread as a repository for the Republican or conservative ideas that will improve Americans' standard of living, create economic stability and prosperity, improve education and technology - or anything else that would benefit Americans as a whole.

Being personally bereft of any ideas on how Republicans plan to do any such thing, I am left with the cynical view that Republicans are currently devoted to making Americans poorer, less stable, less educated and technologically inept. I hope to be disabused of that notion by the presentation of even just a few of Republicans' Great Visionary Ideas. Thank you in advance.

The aqueduct?

/Python humour

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Bzzzzt! Unintended consequences don't count. Waiting for positive, life-enhancing Republican ideas, visions and actions.
Looks like it could be a very long wait...

This has to be one of the most difficult challenges out there. You should offer a $1 million reward, like, you know, proof of BigFoot or something.

That said, I found something that is representative of the Republican vision, but I'm not quite sure if it meets all the criteria.

Rand Paul and the 19-Year Libertarian War on Low-Flow Toilets

Yeah, the low-flow toilets are crappy crappers. I wouldn't really call the Republicans right on this, though--the correct solution is the dual-flush design. One flusher for pee, one flusher for poo. The basic problem is one of compatibility. The floor connection is set at a certain distance from the wall and the pipe has to bend sufficiently to reach that point--and that causes problems with a low-flow design. (Look at your toilet--most toilets you can see the path the drain takes. Note how much more gentle the curve could be if the drain point was set closer to the wall, or even in the wall.)

As for light bulbs: A LED bulb is cheaper in the long run, period. The use cases for incandescent are very few. However, they went a little too far. They restricted them to specialty situations but didn't cover them correctly. There should have been no restriction on the production of incandescents but rather a mandate that they cost at least 50% more than an equivalent LED, unless there is no practical LED for the situation. (Thus bulbs for your oven don't get hit by the price requirement.) People can use them if they really need them, but the economics is always against them. (The lower electricity doesn't always cover it--think of cases where the person buying the bulbs isn't the person paying the power bill.) Personally, we still have three incandescent bulbs in use: They are outside. Our summer weather can be outside the specs for LED bulbs--while I have not tried it I would expect a short life out of a LED in those fixtures.

 

[crazyfingers]

Bzzzzt! Unintended consequences don't count. Waiting for positive, life-enhancing Republican ideas, visions and actions.
Looks like it could be a very long wait...

This has to be one of the most difficult challenges out there. You should offer a $1 million reward, like, you know, proof of BigFoot or something.

That said, I found something that is representative of the Republican vision, but I'm not quite sure if it meets all the criteria.

Rand Paul and the 19-Year Libertarian War on Low-Flow Toilets

Yeah, the low-flow toilets are crappy crappers. I wouldn't really call the Republicans right on this, though--the correct solution is the dual-flush design. One flusher for pee, one flusher for poo. The basic problem is one of compatibility. The floor connection is set at a certain distance from the wall and the pipe has to bend sufficiently to reach that point--and that causes problems with a low-flow design. (Look at your toilet--most toilets you can see the path the drain takes. Note how much more gentle the curve could be if the drain point was set closer to the wall, or even in the wall.)

As for light bulbs: A LED bulb is cheaper in the long run, period. The use cases for incandescent are very few. However, they went a little too far. They restricted them to specialty situations but didn't cover them correctly. There should have been no restriction on the production of incandescents but rather a mandate that they cost at least 50% more than an equivalent LED, unless there is no practical LED for the situation. (Thus bulbs for your oven don't get hit by the price requirement.) People can use them if they really need them, but the economics is always against them. (The lower electricity doesn't always cover it--think of cases where the person buying the bulbs isn't the person paying the power bill.) Personally, we still have three incandescent bulbs in use: They are outside. Our summer weather can be outside the specs for LED bulbs--while I have not tried it I would expect a short life out of a LED in those fixtures.

I have some strip lights in my basement where 4 of 6 are connected on a movable strip all on one switch. If I only use LEDs or even mix in a fluorescent, the light switch buzzes.they are on dimmers. I need one old bulb among them to stop the buzz. I can not use the, use an old bulb or get an electrician to replace the switch. This is on 3 sets of light. However overall, i only buy LEDs these days.

 

[crazyfingers]

Been trying to think when Republicans last had a good idea. I keep returning to Eisenhower,s interstate highway system. But he got the idea from the German Autobahn.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, the low-flow toilets are crappy crappers. I wouldn't really call the Republicans right on this, though--the correct solution is the dual-flush design. One flusher for pee, one flusher for poo. The basic problem is one of compatibility. The floor connection is set at a certain distance from the wall and the pipe has to bend sufficiently to reach that point--and that causes problems with a low-flow design. (Look at your toilet--most toilets you can see the path the drain takes. Note how much more gentle the curve could be if the drain point was set closer to the wall, or even in the wall.)

Nah, you just have a crappy toilet. We had one too. When we bought our first home, it had just been remodeled. They used a cheap toilet. Never flushed well and it always got dirty very quickly. When we remodeled the bathroom again ourselves I spent extra money on a good high flow toilet. It worked great. All toilets have a flow rating on the box. Just pick one with a high flow rate.

 

[Elixir]

THAT does look positive, even if it is offered out of personal self interest of an elected official.

That actually makes it negative, in my mind. They've had the ability to fund such research for however long, and nothing happens until it affects this person personally?

Oh shut up Keith and quit being such a downer. At least it was a Republican idea.

Republicans killing off Qanon followers cannot help but improve the standards for survivors.

Two people from my town are going to Federal Prison

That guy who defaced the Gay Pride monument in Florida and faces EXTRA jail time

All the shit you come up with isn't their idea, it's just shit that happens because they don't know wtf they're doing, don't know how it effects people or the country, and don't care.
So I don't need to dive into that "consequence of unintended consequence of unintended consequence silliness. I need IDEAS - REPUBLICAN IDEAS!

Let's face it - no Republicans have stepped up in this thread. The thread is in the dumper. A high flow dumper.

 

[crazyfingers]

Yeah, the low-flow toilets are crappy crappers. I wouldn't really call the Republicans right on this, though--the correct solution is the dual-flush design. One flusher for pee, one flusher for poo. The basic problem is one of compatibility. The floor connection is set at a certain distance from the wall and the pipe has to bend sufficiently to reach that point--and that causes problems with a low-flow design. (Look at your toilet--most toilets you can see the path the drain takes. Note how much more gentle the curve could be if the drain point was set closer to the wall, or even in the wall.)

Nah, you just have a crappy toilet. We had one too. When we bought our first home, it had just been remodeled. They used a cheap toilet. Never flushed well and it always got dirty very quickly. When we remodeled the bathroom again ourselves I spent extra money on a good high flow toilet. It worked great. All toilets have a flow rating on the box. Just pick one with a high flow rate.

Ya. Our place in Maine has a new toilet. It works great even when it splatters all over the side. TMI?

 

[Elixir]

Yeah, the low-flow toilets are crappy crappers. I wouldn't really call the Republicans right on this, though--the correct solution is the dual-flush design. One flusher for pee, one flusher for poo. The basic problem is one of compatibility. The floor connection is set at a certain distance from the wall and the pipe has to bend sufficiently to reach that point--and that causes problems with a low-flow design. (Look at your toilet--most toilets you can see the path the drain takes. Note how much more gentle the curve could be if the drain point was set closer to the wall, or even in the wall.)

Nah, you just have a crappy toilet. We had one too. When we bought our first home, it had just been remodeled. They used a cheap toilet. Never flushed well and it always got dirty very quickly. When we remodeled the bathroom again ourselves I spent extra money on a good high flow toilet. It worked great. All toilets have a flow rating on the box. Just pick one with a high flow rate.

Ya. Our place in Maine has a new toilet. It works great even when it splatters all over the side. TMI?

All three of ours are vintage 1996. But one cost way more than either of the others. Best toilet ever. High flow, virtually self cleaning, reliable. If it was a car it would be a new old stock '57 Chevy Bel Air Sport coup, straight 6, three on the tree. Nothing fancy, just always works like it should.

(ETA - Definitely TMI)

 

[Rhea]

We got a low flow with a larger effluent (flapper) 3-inches versus 2-inches. It makes all the difference in a low-flow toilet.

 

[Keith&Co.]

All the shit you come up with isn't their idea, it's just shit that happens because they don't know wtf they're doing, don't know how it effects people or the country, and don't care.

So, what? Their policies stand to make benefit Americans. Just...not THEM.

Like the best thing that ever happened for Rush Limbaugh's show was Obama getting elected.

Best the NRA can hope for on the news is someone saying we should cut down on the number of guns out there. Or if they can claim someone said that.

Every time a school district goes to court over teaching creationism, their loss and costs give at least some school boards pause when considering the action.