Male patients asked if they are pregnant at NHS Trust

[Emily Lake]

By "going down the same rabbit hole, again and again" I wasn't referring to the OP specifically.

You're side stepping the bigger point here; did you ask the rabbit's gender before you went down its hole?

An effort on the part of you and the rest of IIDB to out raunch me would be more entertainingly educational than any other outcome I can think of, off the top of my head.
Tom

 

[Emily Lake]

Some men can get pregnant.

Males of the human species cannot get pregnant.

 

[Emily Lake]

Wow... I need to sit down. This is perhaps the biggest news I've read about in my life. I mean, I keep getting asked about drug usage, alcohol usage, and what not at my physical and I don't do any of that stuff.

True. They must ask the same question of lesbians!
"Are you pregnant?"
"No."
"Are you sure?"
"Pretty sure."
"When was your last period?"
"I don't know." (as one lesbian said, I'm not using it, why should i track it?)
"Are you sexually active?"
"Yes."
"Do you use birth control?"
"Not really. Not like you're thinking."
"Then you MIGHT be pregnant.."
"No, I'm gonna stick with 'No.' Pretty sure i'm not preggars."

....The horror!

I've never had a doctor challenge my assertion that I am confident that I am not pregnant, even though I'm still technically within the window of childbearing and also heterosexual.

 

[TomC]

Some men can get pregnant.

Males of the human species cannot get pregnant.

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

Some men can get pregnant.

Males of the human species cannot get pregnant.

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

Men are a subset of males, the adult human males. There are males that are not adults (boys) and there are males that are not humans (male cats, say).

But, let us accept for a moment (and I do not actually accept it, of course), that 'man' or 'boy' is a reference to gender identity and 'male' is a reference to sex. The previous practise of the hospital was already sufficient and correct. Only females (not "women" or "women-presenting") were asked about pregnancy, because only females can get pregnant.

But, as you can see, there are people like Toni who are not content for 'male' and 'female' to refer to sex, but they want it instead to refer to gender identity (in humans anyway, though I imagine the gender cultists will also start personifying their pets too, or maybe it has already happened). Toni's wish would result in nothing less than wholesale medical confusion, but she evidently does not care.

Your gender identity and "presentation" is 100% wholly irrelevant to whether you can get pregnant or not. Only your sex matters.

And only females can get pregnant. Not all females, but only females.

 

[Metaphor]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

 

[Metaphor]

This. Yesterday I marked a form as I'm not pregnant. So what? Why should they bother with a line saying it only applies to females?

These are verbal questions asked just before you get the procedure, not form questions. Paper forms can't automatically adapt to previous answers.

If somebody is an inpatient and their sex is 'M', they don't need to be asked if they could be pregnant. Being male precludes the possibility.

 

[Toni]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

My experience, both as a patient as well as working in the medical field for many years is that there tend to be very broad medical forms for patients, it regardless of their sex, gender, or sexual orientation. I mentioned before that my husband was screened for breast cancer, something that rarely but not never happens to men. He was given the same gown, the same imaging procedure, and the same questionnaire as all of the women were. The form included the date of last menstrual period, although he’s very obviously male. I’m still asked the last date of my menstrual period. It’s been some years now.

This is not an attempt to make any patient feel uncomfortable but to be as comprehensive as possible for all patients and to cover any contingencies.

 

[TomC]

Men are a subset of males,

I don't think so.

But you and I have been around this block a time or two. So, I don't feel any interest in redicussing the issue.
Tom

 

[Keith&Co.]

Frankly, i find it hard to be upset if an bureaacracy solved one single instance of confusion by just making a blanket policy to ask everyone the same questions. "Are you pregannt, do you suffer erectile dysfunction, when was your last period, are you circumsized?" Over and done with, maximum equality, no greater significance than the usual 'swatting flies with cannonballs' approach of many institutions.

Are you circumcised?? I can't remember ever encountering that on a medical form.

At least once. They asked for scars, and for convenience had some checkoffs. I recall:
[_] Circumcision
[_] Cesarean
[_] Appendix
Along with lines for 'free verse.'
I had a lot in free verse. Amputation, biopsy, vasectomy, forehead, knee...

I think it was a dermatologist office? Can't quite remember, i was just so pleased i didn't have to remember how to spell Cesarean....

 

[Metaphor]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

My experience, both as a patient as well as working in the medical field for many years is that there tend to be very broad medical forms for patients, it regardless of their sex, gender, or sexual orientation. I mentioned before that my husband was screened for breast cancer, something that rarely but not never happens to men. He was given the same gown, the same imaging procedure, and the same questionnaire as all of the women were. The form included the date of last menstrual period, although he’s very obviously male. I’m still asked the last date of my menstrual period. It’s been some years now.

This is not an attempt to make any patient feel uncomfortable but to be as comprehensive as possible for all patients and to cover any contingencies.

This is not about forms, as anybody who actually read and retained information from the OP might know.

This is about asking patients known to be male whether they are pregnant. Not because males can get pregnant - they can't - but because gender cultists have decided gender supplants sex in all situations, including medical ones.

 

[Toni]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

My experience, both as a patient as well as working in the medical field for many years is that there tend to be very broad medical forms for patients, it regardless of their sex, gender, or sexual orientation. I mentioned before that my husband was screened for breast cancer, something that rarely but not never happens to men. He was given the same gown, the same imaging procedure, and the same questionnaire as all of the women were. The form included the date of last menstrual period, although he’s very obviously male. I’m still asked the last date of my menstrual period. It’s been some years now.

This is not an attempt to make any patient feel uncomfortable but to be as comprehensive as possible for all patients and to cover any contingencies.

This is not about forms, as anybody who actually read and retained information from the OP might know.

This is about asking patients known to be male whether they are pregnant. Not because males can get pregnant - they can't - but because gender cultists have decided gender supplants sex in all situations, including medical ones.

I’ve never really considered you to be a gender cultist but you know you better than I ever could.

 

[Metaphor]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

My experience, both as a patient as well as working in the medical field for many years is that there tend to be very broad medical forms for patients, it regardless of their sex, gender, or sexual orientation. I mentioned before that my husband was screened for breast cancer, something that rarely but not never happens to men. He was given the same gown, the same imaging procedure, and the same questionnaire as all of the women were. The form included the date of last menstrual period, although he’s very obviously male. I’m still asked the last date of my menstrual period. It’s been some years now.

This is not an attempt to make any patient feel uncomfortable but to be as comprehensive as possible for all patients and to cover any contingencies.

This is not about forms, as anybody who actually read and retained information from the OP might know.

This is about asking patients known to be male whether they are pregnant. Not because males can get pregnant - they can't - but because gender cultists have decided gender supplants sex in all situations, including medical ones.

I’ve never really considered you to be a gender cultist but you know you better than I ever could.

I do not think gender should supplant sex, so I am not a gender cultist.

 

[Toni]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

My experience, both as a patient as well as working in the medical field for many years is that there tend to be very broad medical forms for patients, it regardless of their sex, gender, or sexual orientation. I mentioned before that my husband was screened for breast cancer, something that rarely but not never happens to men. He was given the same gown, the same imaging procedure, and the same questionnaire as all of the women were. The form included the date of last menstrual period, although he’s very obviously male. I’m still asked the last date of my menstrual period. It’s been some years now.

This is not an attempt to make any patient feel uncomfortable but to be as comprehensive as possible for all patients and to cover any contingencies.

This is not about forms, as anybody who actually read and retained information from the OP might know.

This is about asking patients known to be male whether they are pregnant. Not because males can get pregnant - they can't - but because gender cultists have decided gender supplants sex in all situations, including medical ones.

I’ve never really considered you to be a gender cultist but you know you better than I ever could.

I do not think gender should supplant sex, so I am not a gender cultist.

Do you believe that sex is always apparent? Especially in a situation when the patient may be seriously injured or in pain or very ill?

I’m certain that in well over 95% of the cases, the assumption a medical professional would make would be correct.

But the consequences fir being wrong could involve grave harm.

It’s also surprising that all patients are not shielded in the abdominal/genital region. I’m shielded during routine dental X-rays.

 

[Metaphor]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

My experience, both as a patient as well as working in the medical field for many years is that there tend to be very broad medical forms for patients, it regardless of their sex, gender, or sexual orientation. I mentioned before that my husband was screened for breast cancer, something that rarely but not never happens to men. He was given the same gown, the same imaging procedure, and the same questionnaire as all of the women were. The form included the date of last menstrual period, although he’s very obviously male. I’m still asked the last date of my menstrual period. It’s been some years now.

This is not an attempt to make any patient feel uncomfortable but to be as comprehensive as possible for all patients and to cover any contingencies.

This is not about forms, as anybody who actually read and retained information from the OP might know.

This is about asking patients known to be male whether they are pregnant. Not because males can get pregnant - they can't - but because gender cultists have decided gender supplants sex in all situations, including medical ones.

I’ve never really considered you to be a gender cultist but you know you better than I ever could.

I do not think gender should supplant sex, so I am not a gender cultist.

Do you believe that sex is always apparent?

I am not sure what this has to do with the OP.

I think somebody's sex is usually obvious.

Especially in a situation when the patient may be seriously injured or in pain or very ill?

...what?

Each time I've been an inpatient or visited someone in hospital, they are given a wrist tag showing their name, their age, their sex, and what ward they are in. That way a seriously injured patient can be identified without asking them any questions whatsoever.

I’m certain that in well over 95% of the cases, the assumption a medical professional would make would be correct.

But the consequences fir being wrong could involve grave harm.

It’s also surprising that all patients are not shielded in the abdominal/genital region. I’m shielded during routine dental X-rays.

Oh, I see your problem. You personally have trouble distinguishing males from females [removed], so it must be the case that all other people do as well.

Only females need to be asked if they are pregnant. Therefore, we should ask patients their natal sex (of course, this is the same as their current sex, because humans cannot change sex).

However, we now need to be very careful that a patient's answer is correct. Gender cultists have intentionally blurred the line between sex and gender, and so some people may accidentally misreport their sex, and others may maliciously do so.

 

[Toni]

Some females can get pregnant. I no longer can, by choice (although a good friend was conceived after his mother’s tubal), because of a medical condition and at this point, because of my age.

Some men can get pregnant.

No males can get pregnant, and therefore no man can, either.

Also lesbians can get pregnant against their will. Rapists really don’t care about their victim’s sexual orientation.

Why did you feel the need to bring the spectre of rape into this discussion?

Some have opined that the pregnancy question does not need to be asked of lesbians.

Well, that would be an idiot opinion. But I don't think that's what was opined. I think what was being conveyed was that lesbians suffer over-intrusive questioning and doubt because there is a background assumption of heterosexuality about men and women.

My experience, both as a patient as well as working in the medical field for many years is that there tend to be very broad medical forms for patients, it regardless of their sex, gender, or sexual orientation. I mentioned before that my husband was screened for breast cancer, something that rarely but not never happens to men. He was given the same gown, the same imaging procedure, and the same questionnaire as all of the women were. The form included the date of last menstrual period, although he’s very obviously male. I’m still asked the last date of my menstrual period. It’s been some years now.

This is not an attempt to make any patient feel uncomfortable but to be as comprehensive as possible for all patients and to cover any contingencies.

This is not about forms, as anybody who actually read and retained information from the OP might know.

This is about asking patients known to be male whether they are pregnant. Not because males can get pregnant - they can't - but because gender cultists have decided gender supplants sex in all situations, including medical ones.

I’ve never really considered you to be a gender cultist but you know you better than I ever could.

I do not think gender should supplant sex, so I am not a gender cultist.

Do you believe that sex is always apparent?

I am not sure what this has to do with the OP.

I think somebody's sex is usually obvious.

Especially in a situation when the patient may be seriously injured or in pain or very ill?

...what?

Each time I've been an inpatient or visited someone in hospital, they are given a wrist tag showing their name, their age, their sex, and what ward they are in. That way a seriously injured patient can be identified without asking them any questions whatsoever.

I’m certain that in well over 95% of the cases, the assumption a medical professional would make would be correct.

But the consequences fir being wrong could involve grave harm.

It’s also surprising that all patients are not shielded in the abdominal/genital region. I’m shielded during routine dental X-rays.

[removed]

Only females need to be asked if they are pregnant. Therefore, we should ask patients their natal sex (of course, this is the same as their current sex, because humans cannot change sex).

However, we now need to be very careful that a patient's answer is correct. Gender cultists have intentionally blurred the line between sex and gender, and so some people may accidentally misreport their sex, and others may maliciously do so.

[removed for consistency]

What harm is done by asking every patient if they might be pregnant?

What harm might be caused if medical personnel make an assumption about whether or not someone could be pregnant if the assumption is wrong?

 

[Metaphor]

For someone who is so but hurt over whatever offense I have committed against you however many years ago, you certainly feel extremely free to hurl ugly insults whenever you are losing an argument.

Losing? Okay.

It is not meant to be an insult. [Removed]

What harm is done by asking every patient if they might be pregnant?

It is a waste of time. It's a situation that has arisen only because of the obsession gender cultists have with erasing sex and elevating their gender religion. It can cause confusion and embarrassment. It is ableist. It could be confusing and distressing for people whose first language is not English.

What harm might be caused if medical personnel make an assumption about whether or not someone could be pregnant if the assumption is wrong?

I am not suggesting any assumptions should be made. Anybody who has the possibility of pregnancy should be asked. That's why you need to ask females if they are or could be pregnant, and, as is evident in this hospital, they do not ask females who are over 60.

Or do you mean: should medical personnel assume male patients of any age or "gender presentation" cannot be pregnant? Yes, they should assume that, as they have done for decades, because it is impossible for males to be at risk of pregnancy.

 

[Toni]

Asking a question whose answer seems obvious takes up a trivial amount of time, particularly when one considers the potential for grave harm if what seems obvious is in fact incorrect.

 

[TSwizzle]

What harm is done by asking every patient if they might be pregnant?

It doesn't harm per se but it is fucking idiotic and why should staff indulge the utter stupidity of woke navel gazing.

The retreat of reason.

 

[Metaphor]

Asking a question whose answer seems obvious takes up a trivial amount of time, particularly when one considers the potential for grave harm if what seems obvious is in fact incorrect.

I gave you the reasons why the change in policy is a bad one. The previous policy made sense. It just did not cater to the gender madness of the cultists, and because many of the NHS trusts have been institutionally captured by said cultists, everybody's time and sanity has to be spent catering to them.

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant. But I know you don't care about any feelings that are retrograde to the desires of the gender cultists.