Male patients asked if they are pregnant at NHS Trust

[Trausti]

Yes, you are. You are protesting this additional question which has now become standard.

Isn't the observation the politicization of medicine? No rational person thinks that a male can get pregnant. The only reason to ask a man that question is politics.

 

[Tigers!]

I think it was a dermatologist office? Can't quite remember, i was just so pleased i didn't have to remember how to spell Cesarean.Caesarean...

FIFY

 

[Tigers!]

At least once. They asked for scars, and for convenience had some checkoffs. I recall:
[_] Circumcision
[_] Cesarean
[_] Appendix
Along with lines for 'free verse.'

When i joined the Australian Public service in 1981 the (huge) medical questionnaire asked about my circumcision status.

 

[Tigers!]

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

You have hit the nail on the head.
This whole argument has erupted because some people do not want males = men, women = females.
The question is why do they wish to change something that has been around since the dawn of humanity?

 

[Metaphor]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

I know a lot of nurses. Indeed, I have tremendous empathy for the many indignities, frustrations, hard work, lack of respect, grueling hours and too often disrespect they must endure on a daily basis—often from
physicians, hospital administrators, and occasionally from patients and their families. Like most people, they do not enjoy extra paperwork and endless forms. Yet they also can point to cases where something very unusual and quite unexpected with regards to a patient’s apparent condition happened. Forms, stand procedures and checklists help medical professionals ensure that they are not overlooking important detains which might not be obvious or readily apparent.

Perhaps Great Britain is different than the US but here, forms and standard questions are developed in response to actual needs and events however unusual they might be.

Good grief.

I did not suggest getting rid of standard questions and forms.

Yes, you are. You are protesting this additional question which has now become standard.

No, I am not. I am not protesting standard questions or forms. Stop misrepresenting me.

It is not an additional question. It is the same question being asked of additional people to whom it cannot ever apply. The previous policy restricted the question to be asked only of females. The previous policy made sense. This new policy does not make sense. It was not driven by any 'grave mistakes'. It was driven by the demands of trans activists who want to jettison sex and replace it with 'gender', but their demands do not change biological facts.

Additionally, if you'd read the OP and link, you'd know that the additional scope is being practised by one NHS Trust, but not all of them, so it is not 'standard'.

 

[laughing dog]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

No need to embellish that you had no relevant point to make.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

I did not realize that the definition of empathy was making shit up about stuff you know nothing about in order to make a misleading or irrelevant claim of fact.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I think it was a dermatologist office? Can't quite remember, i was just so pleased i didn't have to remember how to spell Cesarean.Caesarean...

FIFY

Word lied to me? Inconseevable!

 

[Keith&Co.]

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

You have hit the nail on the head.
This whole argument has erupted because some people do not want males = men, women = females.
The question is why do they wish to change something that has been around since the dawn of humanity?

Like slavery?
Durability is not the definition of 'right.'

 

[Metaphor]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

No need to embellish that you had no relevant point to make.

My point was that nurses would be embarrassed by being forced to ask this question, and some nurses are. That's my point.

If you don't believe me, I'm beyond caring.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

I did not realize that the definition of empathy was making shit up about stuff you know nothing about in order to make a misleading or irrelevant claim of fact.

It's not, and I didn't do that. But given your long history of not understanding sentences written in English, I'm hardly surprised you got this wrong as well.

 

[Trausti]

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

You have hit the nail on the head.
This whole argument has erupted because some people do not want males = men, women = females.
The question is why do they wish to change something that has been around since the dawn of humanity?

Like slavery?
Durability is not the definition of 'right.'

Do you imagine a coroner has hard time telling a male from a female corpse?

 

[Toni]

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

You have hit the nail on the head.
This whole argument has erupted because some people do not want males = men, women = females.
The question is why do they wish to change something that has been around since the dawn of humanity?

Like slavery?
Durability is not the definition of 'right.'

Do you imagine a coroner has hard time telling a male from a female corpse?

Let me know when they start asking corpses if they might be pregnant.

 

[Trausti]

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

You have hit the nail on the head.
This whole argument has erupted because some people do not want males = men, women = females.
The question is why do they wish to change something that has been around since the dawn of humanity?

Like slavery?
Durability is not the definition of 'right.'

Do you imagine a coroner has hard time telling a male from a female corpse?

Let me know when they start asking corpses if they might be pregnant.

Nice dodge.

 

[laughing dog]

I guarantee you, you are causing discomfort and embarrassment to the nurses forced to ask 70 year old male patients if they are or could be pregnant.

Your guarantee is worthless because you are not in any position to know what the nurses will feel.

I've already seen nurses talk about it

So, you generalize about an entire profession?

No. I said I guarantee nurses are feeling discomfort and embarrassment. They are. "Nurses" does not mean every nurse who has ever existed, just as when I say "men are taller than women" I do not mean "every man who has ever lived is taller than every woman who has ever lived".

If you were not talking about all nurses or the actual nurses who worked at that UK health trust, then your "guarantee" was truly worthless.

I was talking about at least one nurse who worked at the trust and wrote about it.

No need to embellish that you had no relevant point to make.

My point was that nurses would be embarrassed by being forced to ask this question, and some nurses are. That's my point.

You didn't ask any nurses that are actually being forced to ask this question.

But also some human beings have developed something called 'empathy', and they can imagine themselves in another's position, and they can imagine what it would feel like.

I did not realize that the definition of empathy was making shit up about stuff you know nothing about in order to make a misleading or irrelevant claim of fact.

It's not, and I didn't do that.

Then you clearly did not show any empathy.

 

[TomC]

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

You have hit the nail on the head.
This whole argument has erupted because some people do not want males = men, women = females.
The question is why do they wish to change something that has been around since the dawn of humanity?

Same reason we're getting rid of smallpox, absolute monarchy, and illiteracy. Some things have been around since the dawn of humanity that we could well do without.

Personally, I find trans kinda icky. I cannot imagine wanting to be anything other than the sex I was born.

But I prefer living in a world where my preference isn't enforced, nor anyone else's. That's what has changed, and I find it a big moral improvement.
Tom

 

[Arctish]

Folks, I hate to break it to you but this sort of thing is going to keep happening as long as Western societies keep trying to eliminate -isms like sexism and ageism.

I saw something very much like this years ago in Boston when the beer sellers at Fenway Park asked my silver-haired 70 y.o. father for ID because of a policy that every customer had to show they were old enough to legally buy the stuff. He came back to his seat laughing.

 

[Metaphor]

You didn't ask any nurses that are actually being forced to ask this question.

No. I don't need to ask. Sometimes people say things that are not direct responses to questions.

But, I am also a human being. I would be embarrassed to ask a 50 year old man if he was or could be pregnant, and I do not imagine myself emotionally separate from the entire rest of humanity. I have explained the reasons why I feel this way.

Then you clearly did not show any empathy.

Imagining how someone else might feel in a situation is empathy. I often do it.

You might like to imagine what it is like to have somebody hound you relentlessly in every thread you start, and be hounded even in cases when the hounder is vaguely sympathetic with the views of the person being hounded.

 

[Toni]

Males and men aren't the same thing.

I totally understand that for most of human history they were. And now, they nearly always are.

But males and men aren't the same thing, in the here and now.
Tom

You have hit the nail on the head.
This whole argument has erupted because some people do not want males = men, women = females.
The question is why do they wish to change something that has been around since the dawn of humanity?

Like slavery?
Durability is not the definition of 'right.'

Do you imagine a coroner has hard time telling a male from a female corpse?

Let me know when they start asking corpses if they might be pregnant.

Nice dodge.

What dodge?

Do you imagine every nurse can immediately discern which patients might possibly be pregnant, with 100% accuracy? Particularly while the patient is clothed and awaiting exam/treatment—which, typically is when questions are asked. Do you believe that every patient knows what information is abs is not pertinent? Or that they answer accurately?

You know nothing.

 

[Metaphor]

Folks, I hate to break it to you but this sort of thing is going to keep happening as long as Western societies keep trying to eliminate -isms like sexism and ageism.

I saw something very much like this years ago in Boston when the beer sellers at Fenway Park asked my 70 y.o. father for ID because of a policy that every customer had to show they were old enough to legally buy the stuff. He came back to his seat laughing.

A female friend of mine was asked a few years ago for her ID when she bought some alcohol. She was 33 at the time (the legal buying age in Australia is 18). I was envious at her youthful appearance and chuckled.

But if I were to be 70 and be asked for ID to see if I were over 18, I don't think I would laugh. I think I would say "are you fucking kidding me. I am too old for this shit."

 

[Metaphor]

What dodge?

Do you imagine every nurse can immediately discern which patients might possibly be pregnant, with 100% accuracy?

No, Nobody thinks so.

That's why nurses should ask all females if they might be pregnant, as was the policy before the policy was rewritten to cater to the dangerous delusions of gender cultists.

 

[Toni]

I’m routinely asked for proof that I am over 18 or 21 (depending) and I’m in my 60’s. When I was still coloring my hair, I could pass for a decade younger but not any more.

I’m still shielded when I have dental X-rays and not only have I been going to the same dental practice for 30 years, but my hygienist went to school with my kid. I’m really certain they know I’m not having more kids, even if we had t had conversations about tubal ligations..