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Split City Vs Country Politics

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I agree that a lot of content is inaccessible in terms of streaming, but Facebook loads identically to Factcheck no matter what your connection speed.
Back to the internet - no, it is not the same. You click on the page, you go get coffee, you put in some laundry, and you come back to see if the picture is on. You CAN NOT load videos, and the page waits for ads. The sites that know this, and run still-picture ads are going to reach the rural folk, will get through, and we will quickly figure out which sites to never visit. Guess which ones load okay?
Thank you for chiming in here, your perspective is much appreciated.

So, I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly here - I'm a tech guy, I understand the bones of what you're talking about, but I lack experience with boondock internet and how page layouts may impact load times.
While I'm definitely familiar with the "load page, go do laundry" scenario, I want to be sure I'm reading you right that you're saying Facebook, and the ads on Facebook and the links to articles in the 'news' section of Facebook, load faster than URLs from not-Facebook?

They all think they are one bootstrap away from being self-made.
Okay, not all. Many are just not connecting that.

They go on these rants about how the liberals are taking everything, and they repeat complete and utter lies to do it. It’s kinda crazy to see. They fully buy it. They say stuff, and I reply, no that is not true, and they reply, “you try to confuse me witth your fancy numbers, but I know you’re lying!”

Then they vote to support a permit to the pipeline that just cheated on their taxes and makes the rest of us all pay more.
That "what's up with that" was mostly rhetorical and aimed at people who are saying I'm some kind of Satan worshipping Nazi for the awful, awful things I said about rural folks - because I want them to explain to me how they can tout country people as being an enlightened master race, who are simultaneously acting like a bunch of fucking rubes who can't discern observable reality when it hits them straight in the face.

But yes, boot-strapping and all that. A long sordid history of American Protestant work ethic brain washing and that very odd thing poor rural people do (that for some reason poor urban people don't seem to do as often, if at all) where they see themselves as rich people who just don't have their money yet, so their concept of monetary policy is predicated on this idea that they are in fact billionaires and they want a system that benefits them.
 
I want to be sure I'm reading you right that you're saying Facebook, and the ads on Facebook and the links to articles in the 'news' section of Facebook, load faster than URLs from not-Facebook?
No. Facebook is slow. CNN, ABC USAToday etc, even MORE slow.
Rightwing nutjob sites - nice and fast. Fewer ads. Fewer pictures. More fast loading nutjob text.

but I lack experience with boondock internet and how page layouts may impact load times.
Layouts suck because they load blank spaces, you can’t scroll and it takes 20 minutes for the image to load so you can’t read the text until it does.

A lot of times, one just gives up and goes to a different site.
 
But yes, boot-strapping and all that. A long sordid history of American Protestant work ethic brain washing and that very odd thing poor rural people do (that for some reason poor urban people don't seem to do as often, if at all) where they see themselves as rich people who just don't have their money yet, so their concept of monetary policy is predicated on this idea that they are in fact billionaires and they want a system that benefits them.
Yah, that’s pretty much it.
 
A long sordid history of American Protestant work ethic brain washing and that very odd thing poor rural people do (that for some reason poor urban people don't seem to do as often, if at all) where they see themselves as rich people who just don't have their money yet
...or would be if The Government hadn't stolen it all from them...
 
You wanna know something really great? My siblings, who all live in the same very small town where we grew up, all are lefties like I am. My inlaws, who grew up in the big city/still live in the big city? Trump supporters all the way, baby.

Lots of bigots in this thread.
 
You wanna know something really great? My siblings, who all live in the same very small town where we grew up, all are lefties like I am. My inlaws, who grew up in the big city/still live in the big city? Trump supporters all the way, baby.
And this proves what, exactly?

Lots of bigots in this thread.
Really just you so far, but OK.
 
Seriously, today there is a disparity today that didn't exist then. There's a lot of content on teh interwebz that is inaccessible without a "good" internet connection.
Are you suggesting that country folks cannot avail themselves to information as easily as city dwellers? The Daily Caller, Gatewaypundit, Fox News, Truth Social, Gab and suchlike sites are more accessible to the former than WaPo, CNN, Mother Jones and whatever? Seriously?
Sinclair Broadcasting and FOX pretty much own the South, on and offline.
And that's despite the disparity today that didn't exist then? How so?
 
Anecdote: Both my older brothers live in rural areas and both are liberals. They tend to keep their mouths shut as far as politics goes in their areas. One brother who did speak his mind was physically attacked by the right winger he was speaking with.
 
Are you suggesting that country folks cannot avail themselves to information as easily as city dwellers? The Daily Caller, Gatewaypundit, Fox News, Truth Social, Gab and suchlike sites are more accessible to the former than WaPo, CNN, Mother Jones and whatever? Seriously?
Can testify to this one. Very few people had internet when I was growing up, and even today, it's more common to get news through AM radio or TV than over the web. The former is exclusively right-wing, the latter less so though Cable is a class marker, so "neutral" is as left as things get if you're rural and poor. Rich people in rural areas, and yes there are plenty of them, have more options (and are far more likely to be political liberals). We could pick up an NPR station on FM, though this was best done where no one could hear you.

Did you know that AOL still exists?

But in any case, once you get past all of those hurdles, service providers are free to throttle access to any site they fancy, and cater to whatever they think will make customers in a particular region happy. The Democrats tried to pass a law outlawing these practices, but it died in the House, so in practice it has been up to the current president to set the tone for the FCC.
 
in practice it has been up to the current president to set the tone for the FCC.

Right. The demise of the Fairness Act was a big life-giving infusion to the Conspiracy Nut Party.
 
Are you suggesting that country folks cannot avail themselves to information as easily as city dwellers? The Daily Caller, Gatewaypundit, Fox News, Truth Social, Gab and suchlike sites are more accessible to the former than WaPo, CNN, Mother Jones and whatever? Seriously?
Can testify to this one. Very few people had internet when I was growing up, and even today, it's more common to get news through AM radio or TV than over the web. The former is exclusively right-wing, the latter less so though Cable is a class marker, so "neutral" is as left as things get if you're rural and poor. Rich people in rural areas, and yes there are plenty of them, have more options (and are far more likely to be political liberals). We could pick up an NPR station on FM, though this was best done where no one could hear you.

Did you know that AOL still exists?

But in any case, once you get past all of those hurdles, service providers are free to throttle access to any site they fancy, and cater to whatever they think will make customers in a particular region happy. The Democrats tried to pass a law outlawing these practices, but it died in the House, so in practice it has been up to the current president to set the tone for the FCC.
WTF? The Australian National Broadband Network (NBN) is universally maligned and regarded as a clusterfuck, but it is much better than what you have. Except for families living on their 20,000 hectare sheep farms and a couple of dozen hamlets out back we got it good. I live in a small town 380 kilometres from Adelaide and I subscribe to the cheapest and slowest available internet connection available here. At a nominal 15Mb/s (actual speed is typically 12Mb/s) I can watch anything Youtube has to offer at any resolution without buffering. For an extra 40 bucks a month I could have a nominal 100Mb/s (actual speed is typically 90Mb/s). This range is available to most of the rural population in this country. As for throttling certain sites, that is illegal, and no ISP dares do that.

We do have some AM radio stations, but almost everybody listens to the many FM stations we have available here. With the retirement of Alan Jones

alan-jones_2.jpg


a few years ago we don't have much in the way of right wing nut shock jocks on the radio waves any more. Not that they ever featured much to begin with. I used to enjoy listening to country talkback programs when doing deliveries. Most the talk was about the local weather and local sports. Also local weather. And local sports. Sometimes the two intermingled, like when a cricket match between two local teams in Cessnock was almost interrupted by the weather.

Cricket-at-Baddeley-Park-Cessnock.jpg


Talk on local stations does transcend parochial matters. Opinions get heated every time the State of Origin series is on. That is a Qld v. NSW conflict. Rugby League territory. Similar flare-ups arise between Vic, SA and WA in regard to that other footy code, Aussie Rules. Rural talkback even touches on international issues, such as when New Zealand's Allblacks beat Australia's Wallabies in yet another Rugby Union series or when the English cricket team fluked a win even after the Aussies indulged in some (premeditated! Cunts!) ball tampering.

Politics is touched on when the Ballina Council fucks up the restoration of the greens at the lawn bowls club after a flood, or the sorry state of the town's public swimming pool. Religious discussion? Nothing. Nobody cares about the neighbour's views about that. The big sausage sizzle at the upcoming Jacaranda festival is so much more important.

We have big problems down here in Australia, but compared to the US we have it good.
 
Again, zero evidence. You're keeping up your perfect record!!
Oh, I disagree. Generally speaking, everything JH says is overflowing with evidence.

[goes back to watching Fox News]

Fox News doesn't call out Joe Biden as a racist. People like me are "the help" to him.
What makes you say that?
Don't bother. It'll be like trying to nail jello to a wall.
Yeah, how many days and pages did it take last time I got you to actually answer a question. Since you did it, therefore it is how I operate.
 
Again, zero evidence. You're keeping up your perfect record!!
Oh, I disagree. Generally speaking, everything JH says is overflowing with evidence.

[goes back to watching Fox News]

Fox News doesn't call out Joe Biden as a racist. People like me are "the help" to him.
What makes you say that?

He said that Latinx Americans are afraid to get the vaccine because they will get deported. I guess Biden thinks all Latins are illegals, plus he is colonizing our language.
Of course he shows some respect for my people by saying we are so diverse with incredibly different attitudes about different thing, unlike African Americans.
Speaking of African Americans, he has delegated to himself the authority to decide who is black and who isn't based on how they vote.
In the eulogy for Sen Byrd (D-KKK) he said that Byrd was a mentor to him and the senate is a lesser place without him.
He doesn't look down on all African Americans though, he said that Obama was the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean. Even Jessie Jackson called that one out, and he seldom calls out Democrats.
Talking to a black audience he said that black parents welcome government social workers into their homes because they want to properly raise their kids but don't know how.
Those kids can get ahead given the right opportunity, because poor kids can have as much success as white kids. The problem is black business owners don't know how to hire lawyers the way white business owners do and that is why their businesses fail.
I guess that's why Biden thinks African Americans are more likely to be Super Predators as he said in support of the 1994 crime bill.
He has opinions on other races as well. Apparently you need an Indian accent to go into a 7-11.
 
Don't bother. It'll be like trying to nail jello to a wall.
Yeah, how many days and pages did it take last time I got you to actually answer a question. Since you did it, therefore it is how I operate.

Jill Biden thinks I'm a breakfast taco.
No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA
The word "know" has one silent k.
The word "knuckle" has two silent k's.
The word "Democrat" has three silent k's.

Aha! So the reason you NEVER answer questions, especially when sincere, and why you make OUTRAGEOUS claims without ever posting the slightest citation, explanation or corroboration . . . is becuase . . .
. . . of some slight you experienced some years ago that most of us never noticed or have long forgotten.

Got it. This was very helpful. I've been wondering why your posts all seem like vacuous prattle.
 
Are you suggesting that country folks cannot avail themselves to information as easily as city dwellers? The Daily Caller, Gatewaypundit, Fox News, Truth Social, Gab and suchlike sites are more accessible to the former than WaPo, CNN, Mother Jones and whatever? Seriously?
Can testify to this one. Very few people had internet when I was growing up, and even today, it's more common to get news through AM radio or TV than over the web. The former is exclusively right-wing, the latter less so though Cable is a class marker, so "neutral" is as left as things get if you're rural and poor. Rich people in rural areas, and yes there are plenty of them, have more options (and are far more likely to be political liberals). We could pick up an NPR station on FM, though this was best done where no one could hear you.

Did you know that AOL still exists?

But in any case, once you get past all of those hurdles, service providers are free to throttle access to any site they fancy, and cater to whatever they think will make customers in a particular region happy. The Democrats tried to pass a law outlawing these practices, but it died in the House, so in practice it has been up to the current president to set the tone for the FCC.
WTF? The Australian National Broadband Network (NBN) is universally maligned and regarded as a clusterfuck, but it is much better than what you have. Except for families living on their 20,000 hectare sheep farms and a couple of dozen hamlets out back we got it good. I live in a small town 380 kilometres from Adelaide and I subscribe to the cheapest and slowest available internet connection available here. At a nominal 15Mb/s (actual speed is typically 12Mb/s) I can watch anything Youtube has to offer at any resolution without buffering. For an extra 40 bucks a month I could have a nominal 100Mb/s (actual speed is typically 90Mb/s). This range is available to most of the rural population in this country. As for throttling certain sites, that is illegal, and no ISP dares do that.

We do have some AM radio stations, but almost everybody listens to the many FM stations we have available here. With the retirement of Alan Jones

alan-jones_2.jpg


a few years ago we don't have much in the way of right wing nut shock jocks on the radio waves any more. Not that they ever featured much to begin with. I used to enjoy listening to country talkback programs when doing deliveries. Most the talk was about the local weather and local sports. Also local weather. And local sports. Sometimes the two intermingled, like when a cricket match between two local teams in Cessnock was almost interrupted by the weather.

Cricket-at-Baddeley-Park-Cessnock.jpg


Talk on local stations does transcend parochial matters. Opinions get heated every time the State of Origin series is on. That is a Qld v. NSW conflict. Rugby League territory. Similar flare-ups arise between Vic, SA and WA in regard to that other footy code, Aussie Rules. Rural talkback even touches on international issues, such as when New Zealand's Allblacks beat Australia's Wallabies in yet another Rugby Union series or when the English cricket team fluked a win even after the Aussies indulged in some (premeditated! Cunts!) ball tampering.

Politics is touched on when the Ballina Council fucks up the restoration of the greens at the lawn bowls club after a flood, or the sorry state of the town's public swimming pool. Religious discussion? Nothing. Nobody cares about the neighbour's views about that. The big sausage sizzle at the upcoming Jacaranda festival is so much more important.

We have big problems down here in Australia, but compared to the US we have it good.
Ours are very similar countries in many ways, in some cases by design. Pros and cons to either. Good barbecue, awful racial politics, and arguably too many crocodiles in both. But, in terms of this specific issue I'd agree. It's kind of shocking how many American towns lack technology and other civil infrastructure that is taken for granted in many other countries, despite being a very wealthy nation by most common measures. We fail to ensure clean water, vegetables, and a local library to vast swaths of the country, and wonder why our population is unhealthy, undereducated, and angry!
 
Ours are very similar countries in many ways, in some cases by design. Pros and cons to either. Good barbecue, awful racial politics, and arguably too many crocodiles in both. But, in terms of this specific issue I'd agree.
Um, yes, there are similarities between our countries, but in many important respects ours are not similar countries at all. I'd love to expand on differences I somewhat flippantly alluded to below the first paragraph, but this is not the thread for it. So I'll just reiterate: We have big problems down here in Australia, but compared to the US we have it good.

Thanks for correcting a misapprehension of mine anyway. Unfortunately it hardens my determination to never set foot on US soil.
 
Aha! So the reason you NEVER answer questions, especially when sincere, and why you make OUTRAGEOUS claims without ever posting the slightest citation, explanation or corroboration . . . is becuase . . .
. . . of some slight you experienced some years ago that most of us never noticed or have long forgotten.

Got it. This was very helpful. I've been wondering why your posts all seem like vacuous prattle.
Noo.....

The reason I'm accused of doing it is because Zipr actually does it.

I'd say "if you look you will notice that I did answer Toni's question" but as long as you refuse to look you won't find out that I already answered the question. Then you won't be able to say I do what Zipr actually does.
 
Aha! So the reason you NEVER answer questions, especially when sincere, and why you make OUTRAGEOUS claims without ever posting the slightest citation, explanation or corroboration . . . is becuase . . .
. . . of some slight you experienced some years ago that most of us never noticed or have long forgotten.

Got it. This was very helpful. I've been wondering why your posts all seem like vacuous prattle.
Noo.....

The reason I'm accused of doing it is because Zipr actually does it.

I'd say "if you look you will notice that I did answer Toni's question" but as long as you refuse to look you won't find out that I already answered the question. Then you won't be able to say I do what Zipr actually does.

Jill Biden thinks I'm a breakfast taco.
No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA
The word "know" has one silent k.
The word "knuckle" has two silent k's.
The word "Democrat" has three silent k's.

Two points.
(1) If you really wanted to defend this claim with evidence you would link to the relevant posts.
(2) I wasn't reacting to your interactions with Toni or Zipr. I am reacting to your interactions with ME.
 
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