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Complete lack of judgment in not returning stolen docs when he could've...and shutting his damn mouth about E. Jean after he took the $5 million sting...instead getting indicted for stolen docs and an additional $83 million in damage claims: Donald John Trump, a man with no self-control and horrible decision making skills. Too stupid to inspect Frisbees for Wham-O.
 
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
Biden could be 100 years old, in a coma, and on a respirator and I would still vote for him over Trump.

The vote is for a LOT more than just the president.
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Yeah, some system you got.
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If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.

Trump is a traitor and criminal. He should be facing capital punishment for being a traitor and not allowed to run for office and do more harm.
 
AdamWho said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
Biden could be 100 years old, in a coma, and on a respirator and I would still vote for him over Trump.

The vote is for a LOT more than just the president.
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Yeah, some system you got.
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If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
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That's the thing even a lot of people in our own country don't understand.

They think the President is this do-it-all person who personally makes every decision from where the missile subs will be deployed all the way down to what appetizer will be served at the next state dinner.

Truth is, they're a manager, and they're only as good as the "team" they surround themselves with.

Biden knows this, and is probably aware of the fact that he's not as spry as he used to be, so his team (staff, appointees, etc.) are all experienced, competent people who know the drill. That's a big part of why - despite having a complete clown show in the House - he's still able to get things done like a big infrastructure bill or bringing chip manufacturing back to the US while juggling a war in Ukraine with a half dozen other foreign policy challenges.

Trump surrounded himself with sycophants and grifters, and the few competent people he managed to land were shown the door because they told Trump "I'm sorry sir, but you're wrong." The Executive Branch of the US government is an enormous, sprawling, multi-trillion-dollar bureaucracy, and shouldn't be handed over to a guy who can't make a casino profitable.
 
barbos said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Dude, the the political prisoner totally died from natural causes.
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Gonzalo Lira?
Yes, he was beaten and died because ukro-regime refused medical medical help.
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So the guy who ran incel-esque material on YouTube turn Covid Vaccine nutter turn Russia influencer? That political prisoner? I can see how you can consider him and Navalny to be remotely adjacent figures, ie via a completely convoluted series of internal obfuscation exercises.

What I find truly interesting about this person is how Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk ever got to know this person ever existed.
 
Ford said:
AdamWho said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
Biden could be 100 years old, in a coma, and on a respirator and I would still vote for him over Trump.

The vote is for a LOT more than just the president.
Click to expand...
Yeah, some system you got.
Click to expand...

If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...

That's the thing even a lot of people in our own country don't understand.

They think the President is this do-it-all person who personally makes every decision from where the missile subs will be deployed all the way down to what appetizer will be served at the next state dinner.
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So I saw on Facebook, some guy had a photoshop of the Wizard of Oz image with Biden's face on it... and obviously, it was trying to insult Biden. What I found ironic was that the person clearly didn't understand that the Wizard of Oz was supposed to be the President of the United States. And in his attempted insult on Biden, he didn't realize he was just repeating the political commentary of the source material.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Ford said:
AdamWho said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
Biden could be 100 years old, in a coma, and on a respirator and I would still vote for him over Trump.

The vote is for a LOT more than just the president.
Click to expand...
Yeah, some system you got.
Click to expand...

If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...

That's the thing even a lot of people in our own country don't understand.

They think the President is this do-it-all person who personally makes every decision from where the missile subs will be deployed all the way down to what appetizer will be served at the next state dinner.
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So I saw on Facebook, some guy had a photoshop of the Wizard of Oz image with Biden's face on it... and obviously, it was trying to insult Biden. What I found ironic was that the person clearly didn't understand that the Wizard of Oz was supposed to be the President of the United States. And in his attempted insult on Biden, he didn't realize he was just repeating the political commentary of the source material.
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Or alternately...

 
AdamWho said:
If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
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I understand that better than you?

AdamWho said:
Trump is a traitor and criminal. He should be facing capital punishment for being a traitor and not allowed to run for office and do more harm.
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Criminal I understand, but traitor? where?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
barbos said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Dude, the the political prisoner totally died from natural causes.
Click to expand...
Gonzalo Lira?
Yes, he was beaten and died because ukro-regime refused medical medical help.
Click to expand...
So the guy who ran incel-esque material on YouTube turn Covid Vaccine nutter turn Russia influencer? That political prisoner? I can see how you can consider him and Navalny to be remotely adjacent figures, ie via a completely convoluted series of internal obfuscation exercises.

What I find truly interesting about this person is how Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk ever got to know this person ever existed.
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Biden had been a racist before he became best president ever.
The fact is, Ukro Regime and regime in Washington murdered an opposition leader person.
And Russian Government did not, he died from natural causes.
By the way, Navalny had been a racist and a nazi too, before he found his niche.
 
Ford said:
AdamWho said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
Biden could be 100 years old, in a coma, and on a respirator and I would still vote for him over Trump.

The vote is for a LOT more than just the president.
Click to expand...
Yeah, some system you got.
Click to expand...

If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...

That's the thing even a lot of people in our own country don't understand.

They think the President is this do-it-all person who personally makes every decision from where the missile subs will be deployed all the way down to what appetizer will be served at the next state dinner.

Truth is, they're a manager, and they're only as good as the "team" they surround themselves with.

Biden knows this, and is probably aware of the fact that he's not as spry as he used to be, so his team (staff, appointees, etc.) are all experienced, competent people who know the drill. That's a big part of why - despite having a complete clown show in the House - he's still able to get things done like a big infrastructure bill or bringing chip manufacturing back to the US while juggling a war in Ukraine with a half dozen other foreign policy challenges.

Trump surrounded himself with sycophants and grifters, and the few competent people he managed to land were shown the door because they told Trump "I'm sorry sir, but you're wrong." The Executive Branch of the US government is an enormous, sprawling, multi-trillion-dollar bureaucracy, and shouldn't be handed over to a guy who can't make a casino profitable.
Click to expand...
I am currently reading Michael J Neufeld's The Rocket and the Reich, a history of the German rocket program that ultimately led to the V2, Operation Paperclip, and the development of ballistic missiles as strategic weapons.

One of the most striking things about not just the rocketry program, but the entire Nazi war effort, was just how poorly managed it was. The individual organizations, particularly the Army, Navy, and Airforce, were managed fairly well at the operational level; but the national coordination, to balance of the needs of these armed services both pre-war and in wartime, against the other demands for materiel (government and civillian), and to manage production to ensure that those various needs were met, was a clown car.

To give just one example, Hitler was known to dislike complexity and nuanced decision making, so a system to prioritize the allocation of steel to various end users was simplified to put all uses into either Priority I, or the lower Priority II, with Priority I users able to requisition any steel they needed, while Priority II got anything that was left over. This system quickly fell apart, because everyone demanded to be in Priority I; So the top tier was split into Ia and Ib. Then Priority II was discontinued, because there was no steel at all left once the Ia and Ib users had had their cut. Of course, this just meant a repeat of the scramble to get into priority Ia, and essentially there was no prioritization at all. So Hitler added a super priority group, Priority S, that would be only for users directly contributing to Operation Sealion. Immediately, everyone from the Kriegsmarine to the Berlin dog-catcher decided that their work was essential to the invasion of Britain, and put themselves into Priority S. Rather than put someone competent in charge at this point, and impose some order on his subordinates, Hitler responded by creating yet another, even higher, priority classification (called "SS" though it had no connection to the Schutzstaffel)...

German tactical brilliance coupled with strategic incompetence lost them both World Wars, and this incompetence is nowhere more apparent than in the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler. He surrounded himself with sycophants, and rewarded loyalty over competence or results, at every turn. It is astonishing (and a testament to the technical and tactical brilliance of German operational commanders and managers, both military and civilian) that the whole country didn't just collapse in 1942.

I find it an equal testament to the technical and tactical abilities of American institutions, that the USA didn't collapse in or before 2020, under the influence of similarly clownish management at the highest level.
 
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...
I understand that better than you?

AdamWho said:
Trump is a traitor and criminal. He should be facing capital punishment for being a traitor and not allowed to run for office and do more harm.
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Criminal I understand, but traitor? where?
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Trying to overturn the constitutional required electoral college.
 
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...
I understand that better than you?

AdamWho said:
Trump is a traitor and criminal. He should be facing capital punishment for being a traitor and not allowed to run for office and do more harm.
Click to expand...
Criminal I understand, but traitor? where?
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Trying to overturn the constitutional required electoral college.
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Also: a group of militants was attacking the Capitol building and he took no action as commander in chief to defend his country. In fact, he praised them and is now calling them political “hostages”. Aid and comfort to the enemy indeed!
 
Ford said:
AdamWho said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
Biden could be 100 years old, in a coma, and on a respirator and I would still vote for him over Trump.

The vote is for a LOT more than just the president.
Click to expand...
Yeah, some system you got.
Click to expand...

If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...

That's the thing even a lot of people in our own country don't understand.

They think the President is this do-it-all person who personally makes every decision from where the missile subs will be deployed all the way down to what appetizer will be served at the next state dinner.

Truth is, they're a manager, and they're only as good as the "team" they surround themselves with.

Biden knows this, and is probably aware of the fact that he's not as spry as he used to be, so his team (staff, appointees, etc.) are all experienced, competent people who know the drill. That's a big part of why - despite having a complete clown show in the House - he's still able to get things done like a big infrastructure bill or bringing chip manufacturing back to the US while juggling a war in Ukraine with a half dozen other foreign policy challenges.

Trump surrounded himself with sycophants and grifters, and the few competent people he managed to land were shown the door because they told Trump "I'm sorry sir, but you're wrong." The Executive Branch of the US government is an enormous, sprawling, multi-trillion-dollar bureaucracy, and shouldn't be handed over to a guy who can't make a casino profitable.
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A handful also were on board in Trump's administration to try to keep him from his worst impulses but that did not work out so well. For them or for our country. Not that they were much better. They thought they could be there to keep the train on the tracks.... and not be dirtied by Trump--and they were very wrong.
 
bilby said:
Ford said:
AdamWho said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
Biden could be 100 years old, in a coma, and on a respirator and I would still vote for him over Trump.

The vote is for a LOT more than just the president.
Click to expand...
Yeah, some system you got.
Click to expand...

If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...

That's the thing even a lot of people in our own country don't understand.

They think the President is this do-it-all person who personally makes every decision from where the missile subs will be deployed all the way down to what appetizer will be served at the next state dinner.

Truth is, they're a manager, and they're only as good as the "team" they surround themselves with.

Biden knows this, and is probably aware of the fact that he's not as spry as he used to be, so his team (staff, appointees, etc.) are all experienced, competent people who know the drill. That's a big part of why - despite having a complete clown show in the House - he's still able to get things done like a big infrastructure bill or bringing chip manufacturing back to the US while juggling a war in Ukraine with a half dozen other foreign policy challenges.

Trump surrounded himself with sycophants and grifters, and the few competent people he managed to land were shown the door because they told Trump "I'm sorry sir, but you're wrong." The Executive Branch of the US government is an enormous, sprawling, multi-trillion-dollar bureaucracy, and shouldn't be handed over to a guy who can't make a casino profitable.
Click to expand...
I am currently reading Michael J Neufeld's The Rocket and the Reich, a history of the German rocket program that ultimately led to the V2, Operation Paperclip, and the development of ballistic missiles as strategic weapons.

One of the most striking things about not just the rocketry program, but the entire Nazi war effort, was just how poorly managed it was. The individual organizations, particularly the Army, Navy, and Airforce, were managed fairly well at the operational level; but the national coordination, to balance of the needs of these armed services both pre-war and in wartime, against the other demands for materiel (government and civillian), and to manage production to ensure that those various needs were met, was a clown car.

To give just one example, Hitler was known to dislike complexity and nuanced decision making, so a system to prioritize the allocation of steel to various end users was simplified to put all uses into either Priority I, or the lower Priority II, with Priority I users able to requisition any steel they needed, while Priority II got anything that was left over. This system quickly fell apart, because everyone demanded to be in Priority I; So the top tier was split into Ia and Ib. Then Priority II was discontinued, because there was no steel at all left once the Ia and Ib users had had their cut. Of course, this just meant a repeat of the scramble to get into priority Ia, and essentially there was no prioritization at all. So Hitler added a super priority group, Priority S, that would be only for users directly contributing to Operation Sealion. Immediately, everyone from the Kriegsmarine to the Berlin dog-catcher decided that their work was essential to the invasion of Britain, and put themselves into Priority S. Rather than put someone competent in charge at this point, and impose some order on his subordinates, Hitler responded by creating yet another, even higher, priority classification (called "SS" though it had no connection to the Schutzstaffel)...

German tactical brilliance coupled with strategic incompetence lost them both World Wars, and this incompetence is nowhere more apparent than in the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler. He surrounded himself with sycophants, and rewarded loyalty over competence or results, at every turn. It is astonishing (and a testament to the technical and tactical brilliance of German operational commanders and managers, both military and civilian) that the whole country didn't just collapse in 1942.

I find it an equal testament to the technical and tactical abilities of American institutions, that the USA didn't collapse in or before 2020, under the influence of similarly clownish management at the highest level.
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I cannot help but wonder how many of Hitler's 'faithful' were truly faithful to Hitler or were trying to avoid the worst.

What a lot of people, here in the US and abroad do not really truly understand is just how much of the operation of the federal government (and the state governments and the local governments) is NOT controlled by elected officials but the work is carried out and managed by career....bureaucrats and policy makers.
 
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
AdamWho said:
If you don't understand that the whole of the federal government is shaped by the appointees then you don't understand our system of government.
Click to expand...
I understand that better than you?

AdamWho said:
Trump is a traitor and criminal. He should be facing capital punishment for being a traitor and not allowed to run for office and do more harm.
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Criminal I understand, but traitor? where?
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Trying to overturn the constitutional required electoral college.
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Oh that. OK.
 
Shadowy Man said:
Steve Doocy: “how bad is your memory and can you continue as President?”

Joe Biden: “my memory is so bad I let you speak.”


BURN!!! Quick wit for a doddering old man.

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I'm pretty certain that was a prearranged response, but still, what the fuck was Doocy thinking... oh that's right... they are believing their own lies they've said them so much.
 
barbos said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
barbos said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Dude, the the political prisoner totally died from natural causes.
Click to expand...
Gonzalo Lira?
Yes, he was beaten and died because ukro-regime refused medical medical help.
Click to expand...
So the guy who ran incel-esque material on YouTube turn Covid Vaccine nutter turn Russia influencer? That political prisoner? I can see how you can consider him and Navalny to be remotely adjacent figures, ie via a completely convoluted series of internal obfuscation exercises.

What I find truly interesting about this person is how Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk ever got to know this person ever existed.
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Biden had been a racist before he became best president ever.
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You are on the wrong page of the script. You were walking about some incel-esque date influencer who then became a Covid-19 nutter and finally pro-Putin.
barbos said:
The fact is, Ukro Regime and regime in Washington murdered an opposition leader person.
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Oh Washington has helped silence the voices of people much more important and moral than that guy. Netflix has a great documentary on the Chilean massacres when we supported Pinochet's overtaking of the socialist Government. I know I'd probably sleep very badly if I knew all of the bad things the government of the United States has done to "protect" "American interests". But back to this influencer who peddled bullshit until what... he found god and Putin, and then started peddling the truth? How lucky for Russia and their holy quest to... wait... isn't this the Biden / Trump too old thread?
barbos said:
And Russian Government did not, he died from natural causes.
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Yes, the political prisoner died from natural causes. Makes me feel so much better knowing that the leader of the opposition to Putin's dictatorship in Russia died of natural causes during his imprisonment for being against the dictatorship of Putin.
barbos said:
By the way, Navalny had been a racist and a nazi too, before he found his niche.
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I bet. Most Russians are racist. How long was it before FC Zenit had their first black player, and the response to that signing? And the endemic charges of racism against their fans? Yeah... we know... Russians are racists. It goes with the territory. Americans are obnoxious, Canadians are polite, Australians are indecipherable, and Russians are Nazis with severe issues with Vertigo when at higher elevations.
 
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