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At least 8 dead in Mass Shooting du Jour

Derec said:
US Democrats are obsessed with AR15s and other so-called "assault weapons" even though vast majority of gun crime is committed using handguns. This obsession frankly hampers efforts at laws that might actually do some good.
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As I have said before, I agree with you. We need to get hand guns off the streets.

And right wingers are obsessed with keeping guns of any type on the street while they complain about high crime rates.
 
ZiprHead said:
And right wingers are obsessed with keeping guns of any type on the street while they complain about high crime rates.
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Some of them are. But left-wingers also like to go easy on gun crime, especially these "progressive" DAs like Mary Moriarty or George Gascon.
 
Derec said:
bilby said:
(Waiting for the usual suspects to imply that this would have been no worse if the attacker had had an AR-15, and that therefore any restrictions on firearms are pointless and futile).
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I do not believe restrictions are futile and would like to see stricter rules implemented in the US in certain respects.
That said, it would not necessarily have been worse had this guy had an AR15. The shooter in Phily that Zipr posted about had an AR15. And yet he only wounded two and killed none before police shot him.

US Democrats are obsessed with AR15s and other so-called "assault weapons" even though vast majority of gun crime is committed using handguns. This obsession frankly hampers efforts at laws that might actually do some good.
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It's not about the threat, it's about trying to attack what they see as the weakest point.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Derec said:
bilby said:
(Waiting for the usual suspects to imply that this would have been no worse if the attacker had had an AR-15, and that therefore any restrictions on firearms are pointless and futile).
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I do not believe restrictions are futile and would like to see stricter rules implemented in the US in certain respects.
That said, it would not necessarily have been worse had this guy had an AR15. The shooter in Phily that Zipr posted about had an AR15. And yet he only wounded two and killed none before police shot him.

US Democrats are obsessed with AR15s and other so-called "assault weapons" even though vast majority of gun crime is committed using handguns. This obsession frankly hampers efforts at laws that might actually do some good.
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It's not about the threat, it's about trying to attack what they see as the weakest point.
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No, it's about being the weapon of choice for those who want to inflict the highest amount of damage in a very short time.

Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines are frequently used in the violence that plagues our nation. From 2015 to 2022, mass shootings with four or more people killed where an assault weapon was used resulted in nearly six times as many people shot, more than twice as many people killed, and 23 times as many people wounded on average compared to those that did not involve the use of one. Some states and Washington, DC, have enacted legislation to prohibit assault weapons.
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www.everytown.org

Prohibit Assault Weapons | Everytown

Assault weapons are exceptionally deadly firearms commonplace in mass shootings. Banning assault weapons can prevent mass shooting injuries and deaths.
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ZiprHead said:
No, it's about being the weapon of choice for those who want to inflict the highest amount of damage in a very short time.
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Right… assault rifles are most often used to kill people that are unknown or barely known by the shooter. Handguns are used for robberies, domestic shootings and suicides, which together comprise the bulk of gun killings.
Personally I am not worried about suicide, robbery or my wife. But the crazy trumpsucker with an AR randomly killing people just because he can, is a concern for me. They parade around our little downtown in their flag flying, lifted trucks, brandishing their phallic symbols, trying to intimidate people and loudly proclaiming their fealty to Agent Orange.
I think it should be illegal. Maybe if someone takes them up on it and mows down a truckload or two of those weenies, it will stop being a recreational activity.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Derec said:
bilby said:
(Waiting for the usual suspects to imply that this would have been no worse if the attacker had had an AR-15, and that therefore any restrictions on firearms are pointless and futile).
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I do not believe restrictions are futile and would like to see stricter rules implemented in the US in certain respects.
That said, it would not necessarily have been worse had this guy had an AR15. The shooter in Phily that Zipr posted about had an AR15. And yet he only wounded two and killed none before police shot him.

US Democrats are obsessed with AR15s and other so-called "assault weapons" even though vast majority of gun crime is committed using handguns. This obsession frankly hampers efforts at laws that might actually do some good.
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It's not about the threat, it's about trying to attack what they see as the weakest point.
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It is about it being the only thing we think we have a snowball chance in hell of achieving. And in general, we are pretty certain it is only a snowball chance in hell. But we have to at least try.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
And right wingers are obsessed with keeping guns of any type on the street while they complain about high crime rates.
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Some of them are. But left-wingers also like to go easy on gun crime, especially these "progressive" DAs like Mary Moriarty or George Gascon.
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What gun crimes did they go easy on?
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I never heard of this George character, but his Wikipedia page is pretty interesting. He's a former Republican and police officer. He helped to vastly improve the LAPD by improving training and focusing on civil rights. He made appropriate changes to offenders' statuses after marijuana was legalized.

A number of his current policies as DA are attacked because he is alleged to be too lenient. For example, there have been attempts to gain signatures to try to do a recall vote. One of the organizers is understandably angry because her husband had been shot in the line of duty and the shooter did not get the death penalty. Gascon's policy upon becoming DA was to not seek the death penalty in cases.

The interesting thing is what people said about him behind closed doors:
Gascón is referenced on the 2022 Los Angeles City Council scandal leaked audio recordings of a meeting between Los Angeles City Council President Nury Martinez, Councilmember Gil Cedillo, Councilmember Kevin de León and Los Angeles County Federation of Labor President Ron Herrera. The audio recordings gained widespread attention due to the personal attacks, racist and colorist language, and discussion of political goals. The participants were discussing gerrymandering when Martinez stated, "Fuck that guy ... He's with the Blacks", referring to District Attorney George Gascón.[67]
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Jimmy Higgins said:
What gun crimes did they go easy on?
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How about murder?

Gascón stops effort to prosecute juvenile gang murderer as adult; victim’s family outraged
Fox11 said:
In September 2017, 40-year-old Ontario Courtney’s car broke down in the wrong neighborhood in South LA, in an area that was controlled by the Hoover’s gang.
While he was waiting for AAA, a vehicle full of four Main Street Mafia Crips gang members spotted him, pulled up, and shot at him at least 36 times, according to prosecutors.
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One of the shooters who was later charged Courtney’s murder was Main Street Mafia Crips member Jalen Yoakum, who was 17 at the time and had a lengthy criminal record.
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As part of his reforms, Gascón has stated his office will not prosecute any juveniles as adults, something he recently touted while discussing his first 100 days in office.
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I do not think a 17 murderer should get off with a few years in juvie.
The thug had already been released and has already been rearrested, this time for robbery.
Los Angeles teen murderer Jalen Yoakum is arrested in Rolex robbery after DA George Gascon refused to charge the killer as an adult
I know it's Daily Fail, but nobody else reported on his rearrest that I could find. Just to be sure, I went on the LA County Sheriff's website, and sure enough, Jalen Amir Yoakum, 23, was arrested in August and released in December. So much for him finally facing consequences in LA County. :rolleyesa:

Mary Moriarty offered a pair of murderers a deal so sweet, even Tim Walz and Keith Ellison went "wait, holup".
Moriarty: State takeover of Zaria McKeever murder case is 'undemocratic'
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Moriarty has been under fire from the family of Zaria McKeever and public safety groups over plea deals she offered to two teens in McKeever's murder. Under the terms of the plea deal, the two teens would only have to serve two years in a youth facility, as long as they abided by certain conditions. Before Moriarty took office, former Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman was in the process of having the teens charged as adults.
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Are those gun-crimey enough for you, Jimmy?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Derec said:
Since that Bondi stabbing was posted on here, there has been another high-profile stabbing in Sydney.

Sydney church stabbing: Boy, 15, arrested after Bishop attacked

One of the victims is a bishop in the Assyrian Orthodox Church.
Given that it's Sydney, I suspect the teenage stabbist will get a slap on the wrist.
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Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that this might be a pedophile priest?
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That certainly wouldn't be a statistical outlier in a global sample of "stabbings by teens of clergy".
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Derec said:
Since that Bondi stabbing was posted on here, there has been another high-profile stabbing in Sydney.

Sydney church stabbing: Boy, 15, arrested after Bishop attacked

One of the victims is a bishop in the Assyrian Orthodox Church.
Given that it's Sydney, I suspect the teenage stabbist will get a slap on the wrist.
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Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that this might be a paedophile priest?
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I assume he is innocent until proven guilty.
 
Tigers! said:
I assume he is innocent until proven guilty.
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No.
He's currently either innocent or guilty.
Probably both, but I am not going there.

In the meantime he is legally a convicted criminal or he is not. That's not the same as guilty or innocent.
Tom
 
A twofer in Maryland.

Maryland teenager accused of plotting school shooting in 129-page document
NBC News said:
"In the document, Ye writes about committing a school shooting, and strategizes how to carry out the act. Ye also contemplates targeting an elementary school and says that he wants to be famous," police said.
In his writings, Ye allegedly explained that he wanted to attack his former elementary school because “little kids make easier targets” and also “strategized on how to access the easiest classrooms in his high school,” Montgomery County Police Chief Marcus Jones told reporters in Gaithersburg on Friday.
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Despite these mass shooting plans, Ye wrote that his real desire was to become a serial killer.
“Ye also wrote that he wanted to become a serial killer instead of a mass murderer because serial killers are romanticized a lot more,” Jones added.
Police have been investigating Ye since early March and only arrested him this week when they feared he might actually carry out these plans.
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Ye's legal name is Andrea but goes by Alex.
Wootton HS student Andrea Ye's arrest could serve as mental health 'wake-up call': Elrich

In other news, there was an actual mass shooting in Maryland as well, but since it seems to be gang related, it does not get much attention.

5 Maryland teens shot, 1 critically injured, during water gun fight for senior skip day
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Searching the article does not yield the word "gang."
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That's why I wrote "seems" and not "is".
Shootings involving groups of older teenagers are usually gang related.

Does some other article say it seems to be a gang shooting?
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The "seems" was my own take on it. I do think for myself rather than just regurgitating statements from articles.
 
Rhea said:
You also don’t think a 16yo should. Or a 15yo.
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Definitely not. They are old enough to know better.
A 17 year old getting away with murder because of his age is ridiculous and just means that gangs have an incentive to use underage enforcers to pull the trigger, knowing they will not face much time with people like Gascon and Moriarty making charging decisions.
Or a 12yo. 9?
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There is a huge difference between these ages and 15-17. Why do you think there is some magic switch that gets flipped on somebody's 18th birthday, and that until then teenagers should be treated as no different than preteens or tweens?
Not if he was running. And Black.
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What do you mean by "if he was running"? Who was running in the cases I posted?
And race shouldn't have anything to do with this. The killer being black should not be an excuse for murder. Why do you think it should?
 
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