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Yep. Brogans are tired of being put-upon. They want to role coal and drive their wannabe "fast and furious" cars at wide open throttle down I-95 without gubmint interference or some pious prius driving libtard giving them dirty looks.
 
Colonel Sanders said:
Derec said:
thebeave said:
With regard to why men are moving out drifting away from the Democrat party, is it really such a mystery? I don't think its so much that they love Trump (although that's certainly the case for some), but they are routinely dismissed and insulted by those on the left. Check the progressive lefty ladies on The View recently:
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Exactly. Especially for white men. The Left has been calling us "oppressors" for decades.
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When I think of this issue, I think of the word "privileged."

If you want to alienate tens of millions of working white people, particularly young men, then tell them that they're privileged. Tell them when they're struggling to pay bills and hoping they don't get evicted that they're "privileged." Ridicule them while they feel the despair of working two jobs and oh, while you're at it, tell them it's their fault that non-white people are struggling and that they're racist for feeling hopeless.

I know this because I was there myself. Had an entire political party had laughed at me for working a backbreaking blue collar job while my home went into foreclosure, my response to that would be obvious.

This is just one of the many catastrophic failures the Dems have committed over the last 20+ years. The only reason I don't engage in many criticisms of my political side of the spectrum is because the threat to our democracy is very real, so other issues are on the back burner.
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When did Obama, Biden, Hillary or Harris ever say or imply any of those things? How about Pelosi, Jeffries or Shumer? These are the leaders of the party. What quote from them best highlights this, in your view?

Any prominent Democrat whatsoever say these things?

I feel like this is mainly right wing talking points, that Democrats are pushing this idea. Yes, there are people aligned with the Democratic party pushing it, but not so much the politicians themselves at the federal level. This isn't surprising. In a country of 350 million people, there is going to be a lot of diversity of opinion.

The right wing media is very good at creating a false narrative that some fringe ideas from the far left are somehow the ideology of the entire Democratic party. It is so effective that even people left of center often buy into the narrative.
 
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Axulus said:
Colonel Sanders said:
Derec said:
thebeave said:
With regard to why men are moving out drifting away from the Democrat party, is it really such a mystery? I don't think its so much that they love Trump (although that's certainly the case for some), but they are routinely dismissed and insulted by those on the left. Check the progressive lefty ladies on The View recently:
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Exactly. Especially for white men. The Left has been calling us "oppressors" for decades.
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When I think of this issue, I think of the word "privileged."

If you want to alienate tens of millions of working white people, particularly young men, then tell them that they're privileged. Tell them when they're struggling to pay bills and hoping they don't get evicted that they're "privileged." Ridicule them while they feel the despair of working two jobs and oh, while you're at it, tell them it's their fault that non-white people are struggling and that they're racist for feeling hopeless.

I know this because I was there myself. Had an entire political party had laughed at me for working a backbreaking blue collar job while my home went into foreclosure, my response to that would be obvious.

This is just one of the many catastrophic failures the Dems have committed over the last 20+ years. The only reason I don't engage in many criticisms of my political side of the spectrum is because the threat to our democracy is very real, so other issues are on the back burner.
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When did Obama, Biden, Hillary or Harris ever say or imply any of those things? How about Pelosi, Jeffries or Shumer? These are the leaders of the party. What quote from them best highlights this, in your view?
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Yes I would also like to ask specifically, when did the entire — entire, no less! — Democratic Party laugh at any white person, or any person, for working a backbreaking blue-collar job while his or her house went into foreclosure? If anyone has done that it would be REPUBLICANS, who are the party of the wealthy and insular. Donald Trump has privately called his own supporters “disgusting,” as disclosed by a number of sources. He dislikes even shaking hands with working-class people. He holds his own supporters in utter contempt, and has been quoted as privately saying that the only reason he ran for president as a Republican is because it’s easier to deceive Republican voters.
 
Colonel Sanders said:
Derec said:
thebeave said:
With regard to why men are moving out drifting away from the Democrat party, is it really such a mystery? I don't think its so much that they love Trump (although that's certainly the case for some), but they are routinely dismissed and insulted by those on the left. Check the progressive lefty ladies on The View recently:
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Exactly. Especially for white men. The Left has been calling us "oppressors" for decades.
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When I think of this issue, I think of the word "privileged."

If you want to alienate tens of millions of working white people, particularly young men, then tell them that they're privileged. Tell them when they're struggling to pay bills and hoping they don't get evicted that they're "privileged." Ridicule them while they feel the despair of working two jobs and oh, while you're at it, tell them it's their fault that non-white people are struggling and that they're racist for feeling hopeless.

I know this because I was there myself. Had an entire political party had laughed at me for working a backbreaking blue collar job while my home went into foreclosure, my response to that would be obvious.

This is just one of the many catastrophic failures the Dems have committed over the last 20+ years. The only reason I don't engage in many criticisms of my political side of the spectrum is because the threat to our democracy is very real, so other issues are on the back burner.
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I completely understand the frustration of being told you're 'privileged' while you're struggling to make ends meet. However, minorities are also grappling with those same economic challenges—fighting to pay bills, working multiple jobs—while also dealing with additional hurdles like racial bias, underrepresentation, and fewer opportunities due to systemic inequality. It's not about placing blame, but recognizing that income inequality affects us all, with some having to jump additional hurdles. I suppose we could just ignore the other forms of inequality until everyone’s out of the wealth gap— but why on earth would we do that? Economic inequality is huge, but so are the racial, gender, and social inequities that exist alongside it. They all need addressing. This whole "what about us" on the part of working white people is just strange, because any changes that lesson inequality for minorities actually benefit working white people.

Policies like the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which fought racial discrimination but also strengthened workplace protections for all workers. Even The New Deal launched by President Franklin D. Roosevelt (when they stopped discriminating) benefitted everyone. Although I personally believe affirmative action has run its course and its benefits are debated, it undeniably increased diversity in schools and workplaces. Ultimately encouraging economic growth by giving minorities an opportunity to be the better citizens they wanted to be, which benefited everyone, not just minorities. Raising the federal minimum wage, though often seen as benefiting minorities, has also significantly helped working white Americans. Similarly, criminal justice reform, which some argue mainly benefits minorities, actually improves outcomes for everyone impacted by the justice system, regardless of race.
 
Starting to look like a potential Trump landslide
 

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I wouldn’t put too much stock in RCP. It’s not “real clear” at all, and is heavily biased toward right-wing commentators and polls.
 
At 538, Harris is ahead in 40 national polls, behind in 9, and even in 5. But yes, national polls don’t count in the end. So we will see.
 
pood said:
At 538, Harris is ahead in 40 national polls, behind in 9, and even in 5. But yes, national polls don’t count in the end. So we will see.
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These are the kind of numbers we were seeing before Biden dropped out of the race
 
Gospel said:
Colonel Sanders said:
Derec said:
thebeave said:
With regard to why men are moving out drifting away from the Democrat party, is it really such a mystery? I don't think its so much that they love Trump (although that's certainly the case for some), but they are routinely dismissed and insulted by those on the left. Check the progressive lefty ladies on The View recently:
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Exactly. Especially for white men. The Left has been calling us "oppressors" for decades.
Click to expand...
When I think of this issue, I think of the word "privileged."

If you want to alienate tens of millions of working white people, particularly young men, then tell them that they're privileged. Tell them when they're struggling to pay bills and hoping they don't get evicted that they're "privileged." Ridicule them while they feel the despair of working two jobs and oh, while you're at it, tell them it's their fault that non-white people are struggling and that they're racist for feeling hopeless.

I know this because I was there myself. Had an entire political party had laughed at me for working a backbreaking blue collar job while my home went into foreclosure, my response to that would be obvious.

This is just one of the many catastrophic failures the Dems have committed over the last 20+ years. The only reason I don't engage in many criticisms of my political side of the spectrum is because the threat to our democracy is very real, so other issues are on the back burner.
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I completely understand the frustration of being told you're 'privileged' while you're struggling to make ends meet. However, minorities are also grappling with those same economic challenges—fighting to pay bills, working multiple jobs—while also dealing with additional hurdles like racial bias, underrepresentation, and fewer opportunities due to systemic inequality. It's not about placing blame, but recognizing that income inequality affects us all, with some having to jump additional hurdles. I suppose we could just ignore the other forms of inequality until everyone’s out of the wealth gap— but why on earth would we do that? Economic inequality is huge, but so are the racial, gender, and social inequities that exist alongside it. They all need addressing. This whole "what about us" on the part of working white people is just strange, because any changes that lesson inequality for minorities actually benefit working white people.

Policies like the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which fought racial discrimination but also strengthened workplace protections for all workers. Even The New Deal launched by President Franklin D. Roosevelt (when they stopped discriminating) benefitted everyone. Although I personally believe affirmative action has run its course and its benefits are debated, it undeniably increased diversity in schools and workplaces. Ultimately encouraging economic growth by giving minorities an opportunity to be the better citizens they wanted to be, which benefited everyone, not just minorities. Raising the federal minimum wage, though often seen as benefiting minorities, has also significantly helped working white Americans. Similarly, criminal justice reform, which some argue mainly benefits minorities, actually improves outcomes for everyone impacted by the justice system, regardless of race.
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Sadly, it appears that a majority of whites, and especially white men, see a zero-sum game when it comes to whites and blacks, in that they think if blacks and other minorities gain, whites must lose. It’s all bunk, but bunk that is assiduously fostered by the MAGGOT Party.
 
Axulus said:
pood said:
At 538, Harris is ahead in 40 national polls, behind in 9, and even in 5. But yes, national polls don’t count in the end. So we will see.
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These are the kind of numbers we were seeing before Biden dropped out of the race
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Looking at a recent Trump up in PA poll, the polling was Conservative 36%, Moderate 30%, Liberal or Progressive 27%. GOP 42.2%, Dem 41.5%, Ind13.8%. So a grain of salt with this poll isn't unwarranted.

4% of those polled were uncertain who they voted for in 2020.
 
In the Compass scene in the movie Lincoln, Thad Stevens tells Lincoln that whites cannot bear to share the country’s wealth with blacks. The more things change … as the movie shows, however, Lincoln had the practical high ground back then, even as Stevens had the moral high ground.
 
Trump and Vance went hard on anti-immigration (all of it). And it has benefitted them in the polls. We are left to see how things will turn out.
 
Gospel said:
I completely understand the frustration of being told you're 'privileged' while you're struggling to make ends meet. However, minorities are also grappling with those same economic challenges—fighting to pay bills, working multiple jobs—while also dealing with additional hurdles like racial bias, underrepresentation, and fewer opportunities due to systemic inequality. It's not about placing blame, but recognizing that income inequality affects us all, with some having to jump additional hurdles. I suppose we could just ignore the other forms of inequality until everyone’s out of the wealth gap— but why on earth would we do that? Economic inequality is huge, but so are the racial, gender, and social inequities that exist alongside it. They all need addressing. This whole "what about us" on the part of working white people is just strange, because any changes that lesson inequality for minorities actually benefit working white people.
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I mean, that's intersectional theory in a nutshell, but they are doing everything in their power to squelch intersectional theory, burn any book that mentions it ... or at least banish it to collegiate libraries, so only wealthy dilettantes with impractical majors will ever find it. I wonder, who benefits, when the working poor are at each other's throats instead of turning a skeptical eye on their employers?
 
Colonel Sanders said:
Derec said:
thebeave said:
With regard to why men are moving out drifting away from the Democrat party, is it really such a mystery? I don't think its so much that they love Trump (although that's certainly the case for some), but they are routinely dismissed and insulted by those on the left. Check the progressive lefty ladies on The View recently:
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Exactly. Especially for white men. The Left has been calling us "oppressors" for decades.
Click to expand...
When I think of this issue, I think of the word "privileged."

If you want to alienate tens of millions of working white people, particularly young men, then tell them that they're privileged. Tell them when they're struggling to pay bills and hoping they don't get evicted that they're "privileged." Ridicule them while they feel the despair of working two jobs and oh, while you're at it, tell them it's their fault that non-white people are struggling and that they're racist for feeling hopeless.

I know this because I was there myself. Had an entire political party had laughed at me for working a backbreaking blue collar job while my home went into foreclosure, my response to that would be obvious.

This is just one of the many catastrophic failures the Dems have committed over the last 20+ years. The only reason I don't engage in many criticisms of my political side of the spectrum is because the threat to our democracy is very real, so other issues are on the back burner.
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Clearly they don't understand the definition of 'privileged', do they?
 
pood said:
At 538, Harris is ahead in 40 national polls, behind in 9, and even in 5. But yes, national polls don’t count in the end. So we will see.
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Yeah but using 270towin’s interactive map, and 538’s state polls, Trump eeks out a victory 281-257.

Not looking good. Frankly she is a weak candidate. I never thought she ever really had a chance. I was hopeful at first as she seemed to surge in the polls, but she just hasn’t made much of an impression on people to really come out and support her.

Sad. We had a 250 year run as a democracy. That will likely end next January.

Trump will take the reins. His policies will fail. His economic plans are stupid and insane, likely throwing the entire world into a serious global depression. Russia will take over Ukraine as aid falters. Taiwan will be taken over by China because it’s an internal thing. He will institute a repressive government to maintain his power. He won’t give it up. He will effectively try to outlaw the Democratic Party so he can maintain control.

I don’t know what will happen then. Social security will likely be ended.
 
SLD said:
pood said:
At 538, Harris is ahead in 40 national polls, behind in 9, and even in 5. But yes, national polls don’t count in the end. So we will see.
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Yeah but using 270towin’s interactive map, and 538’s state polls, Trump eeks out a victory 281-257.
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270toWin has Harris ahead 226-219, with the rest tossups.
 
pood said:
SLD said:
pood said:
At 538, Harris is ahead in 40 national polls, behind in 9, and even in 5. But yes, national polls don’t count in the end. So we will see.
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Yeah but using 270towin’s interactive map, and 538’s state polls, Trump eeks out a victory 281-257.
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270toWin has Harris ahead 226-219, with the rest tossups.
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Right. But I put in the latest poll results from 538. Then you see that Trump wins PA. And this the White House. But it’s incredibly close.
 
Gospel said:

I completely understand the frustration of being told you're 'privileged' while you're struggling to make ends meet. However, minorities are also grappling with those same economic challenges—fighting to pay bills, working multiple jobs—while also dealing with additional hurdles like racial bias, underrepresentation, and fewer opportunities due to systemic inequality. It's not about placing blame, but recognizing that income inequality affects us all, with some having to jump additional hurdles. I suppose we could just ignore the other forms of inequality until everyone’s out of the wealth gap— but why on earth would we do that? Economic inequality is huge, but so are the racial, gender, and social inequities that exist alongside it. They all need addressing. This whole "what about us" on the part of working white people is just strange, because any changes that lesson inequality for minorities actually benefit working white people.

Policies like the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which fought racial discrimination but also strengthened workplace protections for all workers. Even The New Deal launched by President Franklin D. Roosevelt (when they stopped discriminating) benefitted everyone. Although I personally believe affirmative action has run its course and its benefits are debated, it undeniably increased diversity in schools and workplaces. Ultimately encouraging economic growth by giving minorities an opportunity to be the better citizens they wanted to be, which benefited everyone, not just minorities. Raising the federal minimum wage, though often seen as benefiting minorities, has also significantly helped working white Americans. Similarly, criminal justice reform, which some argue mainly benefits minorities, actually improves outcomes for everyone impacted by the justice system, regardless of race.
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It's not strange. It's a diminution of the things that white people go through too. When you essentially tell someone who's struggling that their struggle isn't real because other people have it worse then the response is going to be a gigantic Fuck You. And "Fuck you" is what Trump has inspired in these people.

I hate Trump with every fiber of my being. I hate what he's inspired, but what he did tap into was decades worth of dismissive ridicule at the hands of the left.

The vast, vast majority of white people aren't privileged. It's an absurd notion, and no one should be expected to tolerate absurdity of any kind. Throw in actual racism, shocking ignorance, and poor reading skills, and what you're going to get is the hate that Trump has so successfully tapped into.

What these people want is ugly, racist, and delusional, but their "Fuck You" will be satisfactory enough for them should Trump win.

This isn't about civil rights. It's not about any law. It's about understanding that the largest segment of America's population being held accountable for past sins they had nothing to do with. There is an undeniable undercurrent on the left that believes white people should be punished for [Whatever].

I'm 55. I know better now what this denigration of white people is all about, and I understand things much better than when I was 22. But even now when I hear shit about white privilege it can still get under my skin, and I'll be brutally honest: my first thought is Fuck You. I'm quickly able to put it into perspective though. However, a 22 year old kid working his ass off and struggling? He's not going to able to put it into perspective. He's just going to be angry.

While the left is far less dysfunctional than the right, we do have serious unaddressed and willfully malicious issues.
 
It's almost like the election still looks like a toss up and that's not a "Trump definitely wins" scenario.
 
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