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The Race For 2024

I'm looking at the various breakdowns of the election. It is rather curious.

Native Americans went about 60% for Trump.
Hispanics and Latinos when about 40% for Trump.

The only racial group that went strongly for Harris was black men and black women. Even then, Trump's support among black men was in the double digits.

I can't speak for all POC, I can't even speak for all Hispanics, but from what I have seen it looks like two factors alienated my community.
1. Latinx. Stop colonizing the language. It shows contempt.
2. Hispanics aren't a uniform group. Those who have been here for generations are very different from those who just crossed the border. Mexicans are not Venezuelans are not Puerto Ricans (who are US Citizens) are not Cubans are not etc.
 
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If Biden were to step down right now, Harris could still become the first woman President - if only for a couple of months.
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That would be interesting, I kinda want to see what that looks like.

I read or heard on the radio, reports that Brandon is quite full of pep since Harris had her ass handed to her.

Brandon could (god forbid) become incapacitated and she has to step in.
 
I wasn't sure whether to add Goodall's piece to the Science section or here, but imo, her wisdom explained how someone like Trump won, without ever mentioning any names. I hope some of you will read and comment on her outstanding article. Nobody understands our relationship to the other great apes better then Jane Goodall.

https://wapo.st/3UNj071

If you are younger than 80, you likely have not seen war on your home soil. The rare period of relative peace and prosperity enjoyed by recent generations is similar to the time of accord that existed among the chimpanzee communities of the Gombe Stream Research Center in Tanzania when I arrived to begin my study in 1960. I saw the chimpanzees in “our” community using and making tools and greeting one another with kisses and embraces. I saw close bonds among family members, enduring friendships, infants learning through observation, and examples of true altruism. I came to believe that the chimpanzees, with whom we humans share 98.6 percent of our DNA, were so like us, but rather nicer.



My awakening to the chimps’ dark side began in 1970, when one of our researchers observed a brutal attack by a group of our males on a female of a neighboring chimpanzee community. They hit and stamped on her and even seized and killed her infant. The violence was instigated by the alpha Humphrey, whom I and other researchers referred to as something of a psychopath because he had been abusive to females in his own community.



Virtually all mammals have primal, aggressive drives — mostly linked to survival. However, virtually everywhere they have been observed, the chimps — our closest animal cousins, with brains that are smaller but structurally identical to ours, and who are capable of reasoned thought, abstraction and generalization — also commit deliberate atrocities and exhibit cruelty.
Our species observably shares this dark side. But because of the explosive development of human intellect, ours can be far worse than the chimpanzees’. We have devised and deployed weapons that can inflict massive-scale death and extinguish human civilization.
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For the survival of our species, the better aspects of our intellect have also developed sophisticated methods of controlling our aggressive behavior, and of resolving territorial and other conflicts through debate and dialogue — at the ballot box, in the halls of a congress or parliament, or around a negotiating table. Our differences have many times been resolved through cooperation, and our violent conduct constrained by the guardrails put in place with the rule of law. It has not worked in every case. But where democracy has flourished, war has receded.
Living among us today are human versions of Humphrey, alphas who would unravel this progress, to rule us and send us into conflict to feed their lust for power and wealth.
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There are few more paragraphs in the article, that you may read.

After reading many opinions regarding the presidential election, I thought hers was the best. Yes. We are big brained apes who have the capacity to be violent, and sometimes we choose an alpha male who is dangerous. Let's hope we restrain our alpha male before he destroys the rule of law. We can do that, but it will take time and cooperation, from all sides.
 
The framers of the constitution did not want the president to be elected by popular vote, the reason is what we see today wit Trump. They did not want direct democracy, it would be chaotic .

What we see is the major down side of rule by the people in a representative republic. Anyone can get elected.

Result being congress unable to solve problems.

We need a national grid that integrates multiple energy sources, and it will never happen. Congress can't even see the need.
 
steve_bank said:
The framers of the constitution did not want the president to be elected by popular vote, the reason is what we see today wit Trump. They did not want direct democracy, it would be chaotic .

What we see is the major down side of rule by the people in a representative republic. Anyone can get elected.

Result being congress unable to solve problems.

We need a national grid that integrates multiple energy sources, and it will never happen. Congress can't even see the need.
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One of the reasons they made the Electoral College is precisely to prevent rogues like Trump from getting in. The popular vote is purely advisory. Which means that the EC does NOT have to elect Trump. But of course, they will.
 
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Elixir said:
God created Invincible Ignorance to be flaunted!
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Ignorance has been considered a primary virtue in the US from the beginning
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It really has. As of 2022 a poll showed a majority of Americans could not name the three branches of government. If they can’t even do that, why would anyone expect a nation of dummies to understand and act on climate change? And, of course, the Orange Toad they voted back into office has promised to dismantle what little has been done to remediate climate change, so there we go.
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Its even worse than you imagine. There are even elected members of Congress who couldn't name the three branches of government!
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And there was an elected member of Congress, a MAGGOT of course, who a few years ago in the middle of winter brought a snowball into Congress to disprove climate change. :rolleyes:
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:ROFLMAO: The one belief among our fellow countrymen that we are all united on is that the people running our country are a bunch of retards.
 
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Jimmy Higgins said:
My biggest surprise from the election overall?

Ruben Gallego (D) is up on Kari Lake (R), 50% to 47.9%, Kari Lake is down only about 2 pts on Gallego. Kari fucking Lake. This is important because the Senate breaks down to 52-48, that means three defecting seats can stop something from passing. But Gallego winning only by 2 pts, I bet they got to see a lot of anti-transgender ads in Arizona too.
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I didn't see any... but to be fair I didn't go looking.

Although I did see billboards on my way to work, and they made me laugh. They were one after another in this order, all on a background of the AZ Flag:


Republicans for Harris


Democrats and Independents for Trump


Illegal Aliens for Harris



It was like watching one-upmanship in action on my commute. It reinforces my intense dislike of political ads.
 
House seats are still be determined and while the Dems flipped enough seats to take the House, the GOP flipped enough seats to undo the Democrat flips. Trump referred to a "secret" with Johnson, I'm curious what it was, because it seems to have been effective as all heck!

Meanwhile, in the Senate, Pennsylvania is giving us a little taste of 2020, with the day by day counting. Currently the incumbent is down 29,128 votes (less than half a percent). Casey has been doing better than McCormmick with the recent counting, about 25 pt advantage. If that advantage held and if there are 1.8% more ballots to count, the Democrats hold PA. This one is likely going to a recount... which likely won't do much, unless it uncovers the voter fraud by Trump. Short of that, the +/- on a recount is always tiny. So, it is up to how many ballots remain and whether Casey holds a similar lead in them.
 
I’m thought the “secret” was related to overcoming the election cheating that the Dems forgot to do this time.
 
With a lead of 30,000 votes, 80,000 or so remain to be counted. That would require 55,000 to 25,000 or better than 2 to 1. Casey was batting around 65% which is pretty darn close. A long shot still but Casey isn't conceding until the recount is over. That'll be about two weeks from now.

As a reminder, Norm Coleman kept Al Franken out of the senate for several months (half the year?) in that tight race. That election was decided by one hundredth of a percent.

And for just how nuts it can get, 1974 in New Hampshire, someone won the election, but it was never known who. One guy won, then the other guy, then maybe one or the other. By August, they gave up and did another election.
 
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Casey is holding on in PA, hoping for what appears to be an unlikely turnaround that requires him to capture 2/3 of remaining ballots to be counted. Nothing is foul in PA as less than 0.5% elections generally get recounted.

Meanwhile in Wisconsin and Arizona, GOP candidates for US Senate are not conceding in their races. Gallego is up on the newscaster turn Trump feces thrower Kari Lake by 2.4 pts. Hovde lost a closer race, but still down by 0.9 pts.
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In Wisconsin, Eric Hovde said he was considering seeking a recount in his loss to Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin and cast doubt on election patterns that experts called ordinary. In Arizona, Kari Lake has not conceded to Democratic Rep. Ruben Gallego, just as she refused to concede when she lost the 2022 race for governor. Her campaign called it “hard to believe” that Lake lost to Gallego, but Lake appeared to acknowledge she had come up short in a video message released Wednesday night.
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Maybe Lake is finally conceding she is a terrible candidate. Personally, I'll miss her, as winning elections in Arizona will become harder if she isn't the candidate.

In Wisconsin Hovde seemingly is playing both sides of election integrity/fraud.
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The day before the election, Hovde said he would accept the results, echoing comments he made a month earlier. “We have to stop, every time one side loses an election, saying the election was stolen,” he said at a stop in Milwaukee in October.

But a week after he lost, Hovde in an online video questioned how the election was conducted and said he was considering seeking a recount. According to unofficial results, Hovde lost by about 29,000 votes out of 3.4 million ballots cast, or about one percentage point. Results are expected to be finalized next week, and Hovde will have three days after that to seek a recount.
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Again, as usual, no actual coherent or testable claims, just accusations.
 
Those terrible illegal immigrants.

time.com

What Donald Trump Knew About Undocumented Workers at His Signature Tower

He has long denied knowingly using undocumented workers to demolish the building that would be replaced with Trump Tower
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In the summer of 1980, Donald Trump faced a big problem. For six months, undocumented Polish laborers had been clearing the future site of Trump Tower, his signature real estate project on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue, where he now lives, maintains his private offices and hosts his presidential campaign.

The men were putting in 12-hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, if at all. A lawyer for many of the Poles demanded that the workers be paid or else he would serve Trump with a lien on the property. One Polish worker even went to Trump’s office to ask him for money in person, according to sworn testimony and a deposition filed under oath in a court case.
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