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Climate Change(d)?

Climate change is and will be increasingly dire in certain regions of the world, like India, China, the American southwest and equatorial regions in general. A lot of people will die. There will be huge climate migrations and crop failures. There will be wars over water, food, and resources in general. People of the future will be much worse off then they are now, but that’s OK, provided that the weather today in Santa Monica is equable.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
Trump intends to dismantle all efforts to curb emissions.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
Trump intends to dismantle all efforts to curb emissions.
It isn't like we are really trying anyway. And government incentives are a bit messed up. Replacing windows gets you more back rebate wise and reduces emissions a lot less than insulation, of which you get a pittance. The good news is insulation costs less anyway and you save a lot more, so it takes a lot less time to make up the cost.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
Trump intends to dismantle all efforts to curb emissions.
In America. This is a global problem and America isn’t the only contributor. That being said, the US is a substantial contributor and electing Trump will make things worse in emissions and also make it unlikely that the US will support any policies towards adaptation.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
I will be long dead by the time the impact of anthropogenic climate change is fully felt. If the current trajectory is maintained, it is a virtual certainty that a population crash will occur within a century or two. But I don’t think that will happen. The current trajectory will likely slow, populations will stabilize somewhat and technology will take some of the edge off the environmental impacts that cause discomfort to humans. Nevertheless I believe that our current situation will be fondly and romantically remembered (or recorded) as “back when there were wild animals” and stuff like that.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
I will be long dead by the time the impact of anthropogenic climate change is fully felt. If the current trajectory is maintained, it is a virtual certainty that a population crash will occur within a century or two. But I don’t think that will happen. The current trajectory will likely slow, populations will stabilize somewhat and technology will take some of the edge off the environmental impacts that cause discomfort to humans. Nevertheless I believe that our current situation will be fondly and romantically remembered (or recorded) as “back when there were wild animals” and stuff like that.
We shouldn’t wait until the impact is “fully felt” to start implementing adaptation policies. It is not economically viable to continue to take billions of dollars of damage after every hurricane, for example. The number of humans living in flood zones has been increasing year after year. We know that agriculture will have to change and we should be starting the adaptation.

Maybe we won’t see a population crash but we will definitely see some hurt. Especially if we do nothing to prepare for it.
 
We shouldn’t wait until the impact is “fully felt” to start implementing adaptation policies.
Agree 100%.
But our history strongly indicates that that is precisely what will happen.
Again, at 74 I have no dog in the race other than concern for the welfare of those who will remain when I'm gone.
At times like this I begin to wonder if that concern is misplaced.
I wonder about past human civilizations and how long they have been cyclically collapsing.
There may even have been technological civilizations of which no trace remains. This one may be succeeded by another one in another million or few years, and it may have no idea that "we" ever existed.
 
We shouldn’t wait until the impact is “fully felt” to start implementing adaptation policies.
Agree 100%.
But our history strongly indicates that that is precisely what will happen.
Again, at 74 I have no dog in the race other than concern for the welfare of those who will remain when I'm gone.
At times like this I begin to wonder if that concern is misplaced.
I wonder about past human civilizations and how long they have been cyclically collapsing.
There may even have been technological civilizations of which no trace remains. This one may be succeeded by another one in another million or few years, and it may have no idea that "we" ever existed.
Have you read Jared Diamond's books?
 
It really is time to stop wasting tax payer money on this net zero cult.

‘No sign’ of promised fossil fuel transition as emissions hit new high. Despite nations’ pledges at Cop28 a year ago, the burning of coal, oil and gas continued to rise in 2024. There is “no sign” of the transition away from burning fossil fuels that was pledged by the world’s nations a year ago, with 2024 on track to set another new record for global carbon emissions. The new data, released at the UN’s Cop29 climate conference in Azerbaijan, indicates that the planet-heating emissions from coal, oil and gas will rise by 0.8% in 2024. In stark contrast, emissions have to fall by 43% by 2030 for the world to have any chance of keeping to the 1.5C temperature target and limiting “increasingly dramatic” climate impacts on people around the globe. Fossil fuel emissions are projected to be almost 8% higher in 2024 than in 2015, the year the Paris climate agreement was signed. Romain Ioualalen, at Oil Change International, said: “At Cop28, all countries pledged to transition away from fossil fuels but, on the ground, we have witnessed the opposite: new oil and gas projects are being approved around the world, in complete defiance of climate science.” “At Cop29, we need to see countries come to the table with [commitments] that end fossil fuel expansion and accelerate renewable energy,” he said. The host of Cop29, Azerbaijan, is planning a major expansion in gas production in the next decade. :LOL:

The Guardian

It ain't happening.

It seems Argentina has withdrawn their representatives from this charade.
COP has long since been taken over by the fossil fuel interests, it's an exercise in pretending to do something while not really doing much of anything.

You are right, it's not happening--but the environmental consequences will happen. We are now in a world where all the biggest players are controlled by evil and I see no long term hope for humanity because of this.
 
The Planet will be fine, she has been though worse. It's some of the vermin that inhabit her that may not be so fine.

This is the crux of the climate apocalypse cultists, basically an anti-human religion.
I don't see that as anti-human, but rather saying that some humans act like vermin.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
I will be long dead by the time the impact of anthropogenic climate change is fully felt. If the current trajectory is maintained, it is a virtual certainty that a population crash will occur within a century or two. But I don’t think that will happen. The current trajectory will likely slow, populations will stabilize somewhat and technology will take some of the edge off the environmental impacts that cause discomfort to humans. Nevertheless I believe that our current situation will be fondly and romantically remembered (or recorded) as “back when there were wild animals” and stuff like that.
To be recorded there must be someone to see the recording.
 
It really is time to stop wasting tax payer money on this net zero cult.

‘No sign’ of promised fossil fuel transition as emissions hit new high. Despite nations’ pledges at Cop28 a year ago, the burning of coal, oil and gas continued to rise in 2024. There is “no sign” of the transition away from burning fossil fuels that was pledged by the world’s nations a year ago, with 2024 on track to set another new record for global carbon emissions. The new data, released at the UN’s Cop29 climate conference in Azerbaijan, indicates that the planet-heating emissions from coal, oil and gas will rise by 0.8% in 2024. In stark contrast, emissions have to fall by 43% by 2030 for the world to have any chance of keeping to the 1.5C temperature target and limiting “increasingly dramatic” climate impacts on people around the globe. Fossil fuel emissions are projected to be almost 8% higher in 2024 than in 2015, the year the Paris climate agreement was signed. Romain Ioualalen, at Oil Change International, said: “At Cop28, all countries pledged to transition away from fossil fuels but, on the ground, we have witnessed the opposite: new oil and gas projects are being approved around the world, in complete defiance of climate science.” “At Cop29, we need to see countries come to the table with [commitments] that end fossil fuel expansion and accelerate renewable energy,” he said. The host of Cop29, Azerbaijan, is planning a major expansion in gas production in the next decade. :LOL:

The Guardian

It ain't happening.

It seems Argentina has withdrawn their representatives from this charade.
COP has long since been taken over by the fossil fuel interests, it's an exercise in pretending to do something while not really doing much of anything.

You are right, it's not happening--but the environmental consequences will happen. We are now in a world where all the biggest players are controlled by evil and I see no long term hope for humanity because of this.

But the weather is nice in Santa Monica and no doubt Swizzle is fat and happy, so who cares about anyone else? :confused2:
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
I will be long dead by the time the impact of anthropogenic climate change is fully felt. If the current trajectory is maintained, it is a virtual certainty that a population crash will occur within a century or two. But I don’t think that will happen. The current trajectory will likely slow, populations will stabilize somewhat and technology will take some of the edge off the environmental impacts that cause discomfort to humans. Nevertheless I believe that our current situation will be fondly and romantically remembered (or recorded) as “back when there were wild animals” and stuff like that.
To be recorded there must be someone to see the recording.
A lot can happen in a relatively few million years.
 
The planet will survive and life will survive but us modern consumptive humans may not as we live today and at current populations.
Will not.
There’s no maybe about it. Modern humans have wrought sudden change to our biosphere, and the biosphere will inevitably wreak sudden change in HSS and its “lifestyle”.
We should definitely try to curb emissions, but we had better start adaptation measures as soon as possible because even if we stopped carbon emissions right now we will still feel the impacts of a climate change.
I will be long dead by the time the impact of anthropogenic climate change is fully felt. If the current trajectory is maintained, it is a virtual certainty that a population crash will occur within a century or two. But I don’t think that will happen. The current trajectory will likely slow, populations will stabilize somewhat and technology will take some of the edge off the environmental impacts that cause discomfort to humans. Nevertheless I believe that our current situation will be fondly and romantically remembered (or recorded) as “back when there were wild animals” and stuff like that.
To be recorded there must be someone to see the recording.
A lot can happen in a relatively few million years.
To look back from a few million years in the future means there are humans or human-descendants around then. By far the easiest answer to the Fermi Paradox is the Great Filter is ahead of us. And now we have nobody of size trying to avert disaster.
 

President-elect Donald Trump nominated Chris Wright, who runs a Colorado-based oil and natural gas fracking services company, to lead the Energy Department.




“There is no climate crisis. And we are not in the midst of an energy transition either,” Wright said in a video posted on his LinkedIn page. “Humans, and all complex life on earth, is simply impossible without carbon dioxide — hence the term carbon pollution is outrageous.”

And water is essential to life on earth so we shouldn’t worry about floods either.
 

President-elect Donald Trump nominated Chris Wright, who runs a Colorado-based oil and natural gas fracking services company, to lead the Energy Department.




“There is no climate crisis. And we are not in the midst of an energy transition either,” Wright said in a video posted on his LinkedIn page. “Humans, and all complex life on earth, is simply impossible without carbon dioxide — hence the term carbon pollution is outrageous.”

And water is essential to life on earth so we shouldn’t worry about floods either.
Also, fire is the most important invention in human history, so nobody should object if I set people on fire.

"Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" - Terry Pratchett.
 
means there are humans or human-descendants around then.
Or some other intelligent terrestrial species, perhaps descended from current apes, or even monkeys. Opposable thumbs are a biggie, but millions of years is a lot of generations, and there may be reptiles or birds -I have no idea but depending on the reproductive landscape changes, maybe fucking slime molds become intelligent and technological.
 
means there are humans or human-descendants around then.
Or some other intelligent terrestrial species, perhaps descended from current apes, or even monkeys. Opposable thumbs are a biggie, but millions of years is a lot of generations, and there may be reptiles or birds -I have no idea but depending on the reproductive landscape changes, maybe fucking slime molds become intelligent and technological.
Some birds are already pretty good at manipulating objects in their environment, and some of those are tool users.

The future existence of historians certainly doesn't entail as a necessity the future existence of humans. It's been dramatically less than 'millions of years' since our ancestors were on a par with many other species in terms of tool use, language, and social structures.

A million years is a long time in politics.
 
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