Climate Change(d)?

[TSwizzle]

It is really very simple.

Actually it’s not very simple. It’s very complex.

 

[steve_bank]

It is really very simple.

Actually it’s not very simple. It’s very complex.

A steadfast mindset to avoid an actual discussion that will weaken your position. Cult like. You are probably afraid to read the links I posted.

That the atmosphere is a greenhouse that makes life on the surface p;possible is textbook science that predates the climate controversy.

If we were to terraform Mars for human habitation we would have to introduce greenhouse gasses to warm up the surface.

Long term forecasting and modeling is complicated, but how global warming is rising is very simple, not much different than a backyard greenhouse.

Again if you dispute what I posted reply with specifics.

 

[pood]

The sort of information, which anyone can easily find, has been linked to him many times. He always ignores it, like any good Trump supporter. Just so he knows, the link, yet again, explains the connection between climate-change and wildfires.

 

[Elixir]

God created Invincible Ignorance to be flaunted!

 

[southernhybrid]

Even if one doesn't understand human influenced climate change, humans are having a horrific influence on the oceans. There are reasons other than climate change that are destroying the oceans that we all depend on. I won't even quote the first part about climate change but that is part of the problem. I'm sure that even a denier understands the danger of plastics in the ocean. Oddly enough Bill Maher mentioned the line from the movie "The Graduate", that I often sadly think of myself, "The future is plastics.

I doubt anything will be done to change this dire situation. Governments would have to do some drastic things. We can't even recycle our plastics any longer because no other country wants them and those that are recycled and used for things like plastic bricks etc. are not nearly enough to solve this problem I've read that we all have micro plastics in our bodies and it's not yet known how or if that influences diseases.

We are a fucked up species that has been destroying our habitats since the beginning of civilization, but not to the extent that we are doing now. And yeah. I use single use plastic too, and my city, which once tried to recycle the stuff, no longer does because there is no place that wants our plastic. It's almost impossible to buy much of anything that doesn't come in plastic containers. Ironically, even the so called organic foods or as Publix refers to them as Greenwise, are almost always wrapped with plastic.

https://oceangeneration.org/5-human-ocean-threats/

Our Ocean is one of our planet’s​

The Ocean provides over 50% of the world’s oxygen, captures 30% of human-made carbon emissions, and mitigates the climate crisis. The bottom line: We need a healthy Ocean for a healthy planet.

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Plastic is, by far, the most common and impacting pollutant in the Ocean.

80% of plastic in our Ocean comes from the land and most of that is made up of single-use plastic items; products we use once, then throw away. And that’s the biggest problem with plastic: there is no “away.”

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2.5 billion people live within 100km from our Ocean.

Coastal regions are densely populated areas with increasing rates of population growth (and who can blame them? Living near the Ocean has numerous benefits.)

But rapid urbanisation of our coastlines has negative impacts on the environment – many of which are linked to climate change.

With higher frequencies of natural weather events (like cyclones and hurricanes), erosion and land loss, and flooding, coastal regions have never been this vulnerable.

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Around 3 billion people rely on the Ocean for their primary source of protein: Seafood.

Seafood is the most notable thing we extract from the Ocean but it’s not the only thing. We also extract minerals, fossil fuels, and plants from the Ocean.

Our Ocean – as incredible as it is – is not limitless​

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Humans work hard and always have something on the go. The Ocean is no different.

All around the world, our Ocean is in use every day. From cargo shipping for trade, passenger traffic for travel to commercial fishing and research – the Ocean is used widely. How we make use of the Ocean is what’s important.

We need to turn to using the Ocean sustainably to protect the awe-inspiring ecosystem that supports all life on Earth.

 

[lostone]

God created Invincible Ignorance to be flaunted!

Ignorance has been considered a primary virtue in the US from the beginning

 

[pood]

God created Invincible Ignorance to be flaunted!

Ignorance has been considered a primary virtue in the US from the beginning

It really has. As of 2022 a poll showed a majority of Americans could not name the three branches of government. If they can’t even do that, why would anyone expect a nation of dummies to understand and act on climate change? And, of course, the Orange Toad they voted back into office has promised to dismantle what little has been done to remediate climate change, so there we go.

 

[Shadowy Man]

God created Invincible Ignorance to be flaunted!

Ignorance has been considered a primary virtue in the US from the beginning

It really has. As of 2022 a poll showed a majority of Americans could not name the three branches of government. If they can’t even do that, why would anyone expect a nation of dummies to understand and act on climate change?

In principle, it's ok to have that nation of dummies as long as their educated representatives recognize the important issues and act on them on behalf of their constituents. But now it's just easier to get more votes by catering to the base's baser instincts.

And, of course, the Orange Toad they voted back into office has promised to dismantle what little has been done to remediate climate change, so there we go.

It's like a middle school voting for the student body President who promised to replace school lunches with candy bars. May get the votes but ultimately is bad for the health of the students.

 

[thebeave]

God created Invincible Ignorance to be flaunted!

Ignorance has been considered a primary virtue in the US from the beginning

It really has. As of 2022 a poll showed a majority of Americans could not name the three branches of government. If they can’t even do that, why would anyone expect a nation of dummies to understand and act on climate change? And, of course, the Orange Toad they voted back into office has promised to dismantle what little has been done to remediate climate change, so there we go.

Its worse than you imagine. There are even elected members of Congress who couldn't name the three branches of government!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

To understand how global warming is increasing intensity of hurricanes you first have to understand energy.

I think you have to first establish that hurricane intensity has increased. As far as the IPCC are concerned, there hasn’t been a significant or even detectable increase in hurricane intensity or frequency.

Notice a lack of a cite. Intensity?

In summary, there is mounting evidence that a variety of TCcharacteristics have changed over various time periods. It is likely thatthe global proportion of Category 3–5 tropical cyclone instances andthe frequency of rapid intensification events have increased globallyover the past 40 years. It is very likely that the average locationwhere TCs reach their peak wind intensity has migrated poleward inthe western North Pacific Ocean since the 1940s. It is likely that TCtranslation speed has slowed over the USA since 1900.

Or how about NOAA?

Here the homogenized global TC intensity record is extended to the 39-y period 1979–2017, and statistically significant (at the 95% confidence level) increases are identified. Increases and trends are found in the exceedance probability and proportion of major (Saffir−Simpson categories 3 to 5) TC intensities, which is consistent with expectations based on theoretical understanding and trends identified in numerical simulations in warming scenarios. Major TCs pose, by far, the greatest threat to lives and property. Between the early and latter halves of the time period, the major TC exceedance probability increases by about 8% per decade, with a 95% CI of 2 to 15% per decade.

 

[pood]

God created Invincible Ignorance to be flaunted!

Ignorance has been considered a primary virtue in the US from the beginning

It really has. As of 2022 a poll showed a majority of Americans could not name the three branches of government. If they can’t even do that, why would anyone expect a nation of dummies to understand and act on climate change? And, of course, the Orange Toad they voted back into office has promised to dismantle what little has been done to remediate climate change, so there we go.

Its even worse than you imagine. There are even elected members of Congress who couldn't name the three branches of government!

And there was an elected member of Congress, a MAGGOT of course, who a few years ago in the middle of winter brought a snowball into Congress to disprove climate change.

 

[Elixir]

To understand how global warming is increasing intensity of hurricanes you first have to understand energy.

I think you have to first establish that hurricane intensity has increased. As far as the IPCC are concerned, there hasn’t been a significant or even detectable increase in hurricane intensity or frequency.

Notice a lack of a cite. Intensity?

In summary, there is mounting evidence that a variety of TCcharacteristics have changed over various time periods. It is likely thatthe global proportion of Category 3–5 tropical cyclone instances andthe frequency of rapid intensification events have increased globallyover the past 40 years. It is very likely that the average locationwhere TCs reach their peak wind intensity has migrated poleward inthe western North Pacific Ocean since the 1940s. It is likely that TCtranslation speed has slowed over the USA since 1900.

Or how about NOAA?

Here the homogenized global TC intensity record is extended to the 39-y period 1979–2017, and statistically significant (at the 95% confidence level) increases are identified. Increases and trends are found in the exceedance probability and proportion of major (Saffir−Simpson categories 3 to 5) TC intensities, which is consistent with expectations based on theoretical understanding and trends identified in numerical simulations in warming scenarios. Major TCs pose, by far, the greatest threat to lives and property. Between the early and latter halves of the time period, the major TC exceedance probability increases by about 8% per decade, with a 95% CI of 2 to 15% per decade.

Looky here, if it doesn't increase the frequency and intensity of hurricanes in Santa Monica, there is NO reason for ANYONE to bother with it.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Looky here, if it doesn't increase the frequency and intensity of hurricanes in Santa Monica, there is NO reason for ANYONE to bother with it.

Check out this List of hurricanes that have hit California. Under the "climatological statistics" section there's a table of the number of recorded storms affecting California by decade and it has significantly increased since the 1970s. But could one argue that that is just a recording/awareness bias?

 

[Swammerdami]

What TSwizzle may not understand is that naturally occurring greenhouse gases are what makes the suffice of the Earth habitable. Like his comfortable temperature in Santa Monica.

James Lovelock's theory of Gaia is fascinating. Some love the theory; others find it absurd, treating the Earth's biosphere almost like a single living organism that can regulate its own temperature and other parameters. But whether you love his theory or view it with scorn, his model does seem to fit the facts!

Billions of year ago as the Earth cooled, the Sun was less luminous, and the Earth received 30% less sunlight than now. It was so cold that -- if it had the same atmosphere as we have today -- liquid water could not have formed: All water would be snow or ice. Yet instead there were liquid oceans where life evolved. Why?

The answer is well-known and easy for those of us in the rapture-like Science Cult; it is only adherents of the God of Stupidism that have difficulty understanding. The early Earth's oceans and land surface were warm because the atmosphere had huge amounts of CO₂. As insolation increased, atmospheric CO₂ decreased to keep temperatures in a range suitable for life. Obviously we owe a big debt to plants, which converted much of that CO₂ to the O₂ which animals need. And this is just one of many problems that Gaia cleverly solved (if we're permitted to use anthropomorphic metaphor).

When the Sun was cooler, Gaia maintained surface warmth for the dinosaurs. But as the Sun's temperature rose, Gaia eventually created glaciers and ice-caps to reflect sunlight and cool the Earth. (Those who plan far into the future know the Earth is doomed: in less than a billion years Gaia will no longer be able to maintain temperatures low enough for advanced life.) Paradoxically the present Age of Glaciation can be viewed as a ("clever") response to the increasing warmth of the Sun.

Include me among those raptured by Science. I pity those who are only in rapture to soundbites from the petroleum industry or Infowars.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

*in before bilby*

Had no idea pants dated back so far.

 

[bilby]

As insolation increased, atmospheric CO2 decreased to keep temperatures in a range suitable for life.

No, it didn't.

Atmospheric CO2 decreased, which kept temperatures in a range suitable for life.

The assumption of agency is unwarranted.

Obviously we owe a big debt to plants, which converted much of that CO2 to the O2 which animals need.

Not unless you call cyanobacteria and phytoplankton "plants". And frankly, they didn't have us in mind at all when they did it, we owe tham nothing.

And this is just one of many problems that Gaia cleverly solved (if we're permitted to use anthropomorphic metaphor).

We aren't, if we don't want to be accused of spouting emotion based twaddle.

The biosphere did nothing for our benefit; We just evolved to take advantage of the extant conditions. If the biosphere changed tomorrow in a way that was unsurvivable for humans, we would simply go extinct. And the biosphere would continue not giving crap the first about us, or indeed about itself, or any of its other components.

Life evolves to fit the conditions it is in, or it goes extinct. The Earth doesn't care which. The biosphere doesn't care which. Some humans care. Nothing else is known to care, and it likely would make no difference if it did - humans caring doesn't make as much difference as we might expect, and we have the ability (if not the inclination) to actually do something.

 

[bilby]

When the Sun was cooler, Gaia maintained surface warmth for the dinosaurs. But as the Sun's temperature rose, Gaia eventually created glaciers and ice-caps to reflect sunlight and cool the Earth.

Horseshit. Gaia has done exactly what all the other gods have ever done - i.e. nothing at all.

The misattribution of agency to inanimate systems is a very old human error, and formed the nucleus of all religion.

We should try not to wallow in our ignorant mistakes.

 

[steve_bank]

Hmmm...looks like TSwizzle made like the wind and blew.

 

[ZiprHead]

Derail about MAGA and the government moved to here.