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Climate Change(d)?

 
 
 
And Trump's pick for DoE is
"There is no climate crisis and we're not in the midst of an energy transition either."
-Chris Wright of Liberty Energy.
I think he'll be more of an everything guy and will get nuclear moving in this country but will it be to the detriment of Ma & Pa Ratepayer? Along with expansion will power hungry data centers get sweetheart deals lasting dozens of years? Those of us capable of looking at both sides want to know.
Trump’s Pick for Energy Secretary Is a Big League Fracking Executive
 
bilby said:
The future existence of historians certainly doesn't entail as a necessity the future existence of humans. It's been dramatically less than 'millions of years' since our ancestors were on a par with many other species in terms of tool use, language, and social structures.
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Precisely what I was thinking - thx for saving me having to sort it out!
 
The pollution images from Delhi are something.

There is MAGA and there is MLAPA make La pouted again.
 
bilby said:
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
means there are humans or human-descendants around then.
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Or some other intelligent terrestrial species, perhaps descended from current apes, or even monkeys. Opposable thumbs are a biggie, but millions of years is a lot of generations, and there may be reptiles or birds -I have no idea but depending on the reproductive landscape changes, maybe fucking slime molds become intelligent and technological.
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Some birds are already pretty good at manipulating objects in their environment, and some of those are tool users.

The future existence of historians certainly doesn't entail as a necessity the future existence of humans. It's been dramatically less than 'millions of years' since our ancestors were on a par with many other species in terms of tool use, language, and social structures.

A million years is a long time in politics.
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Elephants are a candidate, provided we don’t finish the nice job we are doing destroying them. They are already highly intelligent, may have a subsonic language, show identifiable emotions, grieve over their dead, etc. And, of course, they can very adeptly manipulate their environment with their trunks. One drawback is that in their current form they have to eat A LOT, not leaving much spare time for doing intelligent things. A future space-faring, climate-fucking-up elephant would probably have to be a lot smaller.
 
pood said:
bilby said:
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
means there are humans or human-descendants around then.
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Or some other intelligent terrestrial species, perhaps descended from current apes, or even monkeys. Opposable thumbs are a biggie, but millions of years is a lot of generations, and there may be reptiles or birds -I have no idea but depending on the reproductive landscape changes, maybe fucking slime molds become intelligent and technological.
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Some birds are already pretty good at manipulating objects in their environment, and some of those are tool users.

The future existence of historians certainly doesn't entail as a necessity the future existence of humans. It's been dramatically less than 'millions of years' since our ancestors were on a par with many other species in terms of tool use, language, and social structures.

A million years is a long time in politics.
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Elephants are a candidate, provided we don’t finish the nice job we are doing destroying them. They are already highly intelligent, may have a subsonic language, show identifiable emotions, grieve over their dead, etc. And, of course, they can very adeptly manipulate their environment with their trunks. One drawback is that in their current form they have to eat A LOT, not leaving much spare time for doing intelligent things. A future space-faring, climate-fucking-up elephant would probably have to be a lot smaller.
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I'll place a small bet on octopi. They'll need to work on their life expectancy and gravity resistance when not submerged, but hey - what are those millions of years for anyway?
 
Elixir said:
pood said:
bilby said:
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
means there are humans or human-descendants around then.
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Or some other intelligent terrestrial species, perhaps descended from current apes, or even monkeys. Opposable thumbs are a biggie, but millions of years is a lot of generations, and there may be reptiles or birds -I have no idea but depending on the reproductive landscape changes, maybe fucking slime molds become intelligent and technological.
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Some birds are already pretty good at manipulating objects in their environment, and some of those are tool users.

The future existence of historians certainly doesn't entail as a necessity the future existence of humans. It's been dramatically less than 'millions of years' since our ancestors were on a par with many other species in terms of tool use, language, and social structures.

A million years is a long time in politics.
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Elephants are a candidate, provided we don’t finish the nice job we are doing destroying them. They are already highly intelligent, may have a subsonic language, show identifiable emotions, grieve over their dead, etc. And, of course, they can very adeptly manipulate their environment with their trunks. One drawback is that in their current form they have to eat A LOT, not leaving much spare time for doing intelligent things. A future space-faring, climate-fucking-up elephant would probably have to be a lot smaller.
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I'll place a small bet on octopi. They'll need to work on their life expectancy and gravity resistance when not submerged, but hey - what are those millions of years for anyway?
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I read a sci-fi novel that had cuttlefish piloting an interstellar ship. Each generation learned to use the waldos that controlled it.
 
robnisch said:
I read a sci-fi novel that had cuttlefish piloting an interstellar ship. Each generation learned to use the waldos that controlled it.
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That’s gonna be a lot of learning if they don’t increase their 1-2 year lifespan.
Octopi are mostly only good for a year, except for the giant pacific variety, which is good for 3-5.
In any event, lifespan limits will be their first challenge, but no rush - they have millions of years. Or millions of generations…
 
Could be rats. They’ve been found to be a lot smarter than people thought, they can manipulate their environment, they are doughty survivors.
 
The ultimate survivalists are rats, cockroaches, and politicians.
 
DBT said:
Co2 levels have been far higher, but at the time the sun was cooler.
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Exactly. It's not a proper comparison.

Over the eons the sun has warmed and Earth's CO2 has dropped.

Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
means there are humans or human-descendants around then.
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Or some other intelligent terrestrial species, perhaps descended from current apes, or even monkeys. Opposable thumbs are a biggie, but millions of years is a lot of generations, and there may be reptiles or birds -I have no idea but depending on the reproductive landscape changes, maybe fucking slime molds become intelligent and technological.
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Disagree. There will not be another civilization on Earth. The easily obtained resources have already been mined. It's going to be a long time before a new species can progress to metalworking--and in 50 million years the CO2 levels are going to peg and Earth's temperature will start going up. That will strongly favor species that can evolve fast--there won't be anything with a slow enough life cycle for civilization.

Humanity didn't arise halfway through Earth's life, we arose when 99% of the clock was already gone. Which is odd enough to suggest the Fermi answer might be that intelligence normally takes longer than the habitable period.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Humanity didn't arise halfway through Earth's life, we arose when 99% of the clock was already gone.
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And we haven’t even been here for a blip in the life of the earth. Blips could happen again. Why will CO2 levels spike in 50 million years?
Not concerned, just curious.
 
The estimates for habitability appears to vary between 500 million to 1.5 billion years before the sun becomes too hot to support life as we know it.
 
Get ready for the triggered folks, a bomb cyclone is coming to the Pacific Northwest. A bomb cyclone is a storm that has a pressure drop of around 18 mb or 24 mb in 24 hours (the article says 24 mb, but I've read the number is actually 18 mb for the latitude of this storm), or has gone through a process called bombogenesis. These terms, dating back to the 1940s, trigger some people for whatever reason. The storm is actually setting a record low pressure for November. Getting close to a weak hurricane pressure wise. Oh... and an atmospheric river is forecasted with this event... which will double up the triggeredness of some. 10 to 20 inches of rain are expected in some areas. Hopefully this can dump enough snow in mountains to help some watersheds.
 
My friend’s power is kaput because of said cyclone.
 
We did not feel it in Seattle.

The high difference in air pressure sucks air through mountain gaps.
 
steve_bank said:
We did not feel it in Seattle.

The high difference in air pressure sucks air through mountain gaps.
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Missed us here in the valley, lots of rain but not much wind.
Us old timers lived though the Columbus day storm of '63.
It was the remains of a Pacific typhoon.
 
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