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Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

Shadowy Man said:
Tigers! said:
Loren Pechtel said:

Proceed with the independent redistricting and implement the gerrymandered districting now, with a proviso that it automatically switches to what the independent commission comes up with when Texas implements fair districting. Don't make it something to change in the future, make it something that automatically will change.
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A sunset clause is a god idea.
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I don’t know about Texas, but for California the proposition explicitly states that this is temporary.
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In the absence of an explicit end date, that's meaningless.

I haven't seen the text of the proposal; Is an end date specified?
 
bilby said:
Shadowy Man said:
Tigers! said:
Loren Pechtel said:

Proceed with the independent redistricting and implement the gerrymandered districting now, with a proviso that it automatically switches to what the independent commission comes up with when Texas implements fair districting. Don't make it something to change in the future, make it something that automatically will change.
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A sunset clause is a god idea.
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I don’t know about Texas, but for California the proposition explicitly states that this is temporary.
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In the absence of an explicit end date, that's meaningless.

I haven't seen the text of the proposal; Is an end date specified?
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Yes. That’s why I said that the prop text explicitly states that this is temporary.
 
bilby said:
Shadowy Man said:
Tigers! said:
Loren Pechtel said:

Proceed with the independent redistricting and implement the gerrymandered districting now, with a proviso that it automatically switches to what the independent commission comes up with when Texas implements fair districting. Don't make it something to change in the future, make it something that automatically will change.
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A sunset clause is a god idea.
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I don’t know about Texas, but for California the proposition explicitly states that this is temporary.
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In the absence of an explicit end date, that's meaningless.

I haven't seen the text of the proposal; Is an end date specified?
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Not exactly. This is supposed to end in 2030 when the new district map voters initially approved is completed. There's zero chance that will actually happen though.
 
Elixir said:
Politesse said:
There's zero chance that will actually happen though.
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B’cuz why?
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1. There are no consequences to just ignoring the end date, which isn't a real, firm end date so much as an "expression of intent".

2. It will still be a dire emergency, actually a much more serious emergency, in 2030.

3. This legislation will itself act as a serious roadblock to any Congressional attempts at electoral reform by legal means, because the most powerful state in the Union will now be as equally culpable as Texas.
 
The amendment essentially lists the elections for which the gerrymandered map will be used, and the list is finite: "every congressional election for a term of office commencing on or after this subdivision becomes operative and before the certification of new congressional boundary lines drawn by the Citizens Redistricting Commission pursuant to subdivision (d)".

Subdivision (d) says the commission (which is the method currently used) will take up its customary work again in 2031 (i.e. after the next census, which is presumably when it would have next met anyway).
 
jonatha said:
The amendment essentially lists the elections for which the gerrymandered map will be used, and the list is finite: "every congressional election for a term of office commencing on or after this subdivision becomes operative and before the certification of new congressional boundary lines drawn by the Citizens Redistricting Commission pursuant to subdivision (d)".

Subdivision (d) says the commission (which is the method currently used) will take up its customary work again in 2031 (i.e. after the next census, which is presumably when it would have next met anyway).
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And does it set a date by which that commission's boundary lines must be certified?

Because if not, whoever is in charge at that date could drive a coach and horses through that loophole.
 
bilby said:
jonatha said:
The amendment essentially lists the elections for which the gerrymandered map will be used, and the list is finite: "every congressional election for a term of office commencing on or after this subdivision becomes operative and before the certification of new congressional boundary lines drawn by the Citizens Redistricting Commission pursuant to subdivision (d)".

Subdivision (d) says the commission (which is the method currently used) will take up its customary work again in 2031 (i.e. after the next census, which is presumably when it would have next met anyway).
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And does it set a date by which that commission's boundary lines must be certified?

Because if not, whoever is in charge at that date could drive a coach and horses through that loophole.
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It makes no changes from current practice regarding the operation of the commission.

If you're really interested in the details, it appears they can be found in sections 1 and 2 of article XXI of the Constitution of the State of California.

(ETA - The commission is responsible for certifying the boundary lines after approving them by a vote of at least 9 of the 14 members of the commission no later than August 15 of the year following the census...)
 
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Dr. Donald Trump gives advice.

Remember, nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen.

 
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But England is a caliphate and we need hookers and Gavin Newsome is a prick. And there’s an epidemic of men pretending to be trans so they can be pervs in women’s bathrooms. MAGA!
 
blastula said:
Dr. Donald Trump gives advice.

Remember, nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen.

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Yeah, AI garbage once again.

Yes, maternal use of acetominophen shows a correlation to autism. But the correlation disappears if you limit the study to siblings. Thus it's a confounder of some type.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
crazyfingers said:
His idiocy, The Trumpkucker, has turned the USA into a pariah state.
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Well, at least they are making it easy to leave. My wife renewed her passport--and the new one just showed up, 5 days after the application. (Mine's still in the mail.)
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I renewed my passport a couple years ago. I wish I'd ordered a passport card with it to keep in my wallet.
 
The Great Pyramids of Giza were built thirty centuries before Brahmagupta developed the concept of Zero. And apparently Zero remains a difficult-to-understand concept even today.

I'm too lazy to Google "Inanities of Zero" so I'll invent some sarcastic ones:

* If cannabis is legalized, there's zero chance it won't be quickly extended to legalize fentanyl.
* If women are allowed to vote, there's zero chance that goats and other farm animals won't also be granted suffrage.
* Many Republicans cackle in glee when Paul Pelosi is bludgeoned, but there's zero chance the Democrats wouldn't be bludgeoning and cackling if they had the know-how to buy hammers.

I could go on -- it's fun in a perverse way -- but you get the idea.

Politesse said:
Not exactly. This is supposed to end in 2030 when the new district map voters initially approved is completed. There's zero chance that will actually happen though.
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Oh My F**king OmniDog! The inanity astounds.

65% is a saner estimate than "zero"; and I think I'd revise that estimate upward if I bothered to study the Amendment's text.

I guess Politesse is an adherent to the "Both sides equally bad" school. Brilliant. Just what American politics needs.
Hitler? Mahatma Gandhi? What the F**k's the difference?
 
Swammerdami said:
The Great Pyramids of Giza were built thirty centuries before Brahmagupta developed the concept of Zero. And apparently Zero remains a difficult-to-understand concept even today.

I'm too lazy to Google "Inanities of Zero" so I'll invent some sarcastic ones:

* If cannabis is legalized, there's zero chance it won't be quickly extended to legalize fentanyl.
* If women are allowed to vote, there's zero chance that goats and other farm animals won't also be granted suffrage.
* Many Republicans cackle in glee when Paul Pelosi is bludgeoned, but there's zero chance the Democrats wouldn't be bludgeoning and cackling if they had the know-how to buy hammers.

I could go on -- it's fun in a perverse way -- but you get the idea.

Politesse said:
Not exactly. This is supposed to end in 2030 when the new district map voters initially approved is completed. There's zero chance that will actually happen though.
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Oh My F**king OmniDog! The inanity astounds.

65% is a saner estimate than "zero"; and I think I'd revise that estimate upward if I bothered to study the Amendment's text.

I guess Politesse is an adherent to the "Both sides equally bad" school. Brilliant. Just what American politics needs.
Hitler? Mahatma Gandhi? What the F**k's the difference?
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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. How does any of that follow from the post you're responding to?
 
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