I think one possible explanation is that there is no point to Ms Mace’s remark. Another is that in her attempt to insinuate that there was no rape in the incident in Cornell makes her look like an ass.
That Nancy Mace is an idiot.
For someone who has been sexually assaulted, she spends a lot of time apologising on behalf of similar abusers.
Two of her alleged assailants are suing her for defamation.
I certainly did not mean to imply that testosterone gives these knuckle-draggers an "excuse or a justification"! I spoke in terms of utter contempt for these guys, and I even said at the outset of that post that we shouldn't be giving them any kind of excuse at all, least of all by blaming culture, society, schooling, or their daddies who never taught them about consent. They are 100% responsible for their actions. And I hope they pay dearly.
I guess I didn’t quite understand the term: I thought gang bangs were not consensual.
Look up "gangbang". It has both consensual and non-consensual contexts. On the consensual side, it is a common thing on porn sites (or so I hear
) done by mainstream porn stars in staged settings. The women (or men) are not being raped. It also happens in cat houses, and with polyamorous couples. In the non-consensual context, it refers to a person who is is forced into sex (i.e. raped) with multiple people.The rape victim is saying another rape victim is lying about being a rape victim.
Gang bangs are just when you have a bunch of people who all have sex with or perform some group sexual act on a specific individual.
Interesting because the text threads I read do not imply consent at all. Quite the opposite.Look up "gangbang". It has both consensual and non-consensual contexts. On the consensual side, it is a common thing on porn sites (or so I hear
In the Cornell case, Jane Doe herself refers to what happened that night as a "gangbang", and appears (initially, anyway) to consider it consensual, and in fact seems more concerned about the rumors spreading about it, than any trauma from the event itself:
Cornell Jane Doe & Frat Bro Texted About 'Gang Bang' Rumors ... Let's Find the Leaker!!!
She seems to have changed her tune about it being consensual once it spread around campus and Chi Phi withdrew their invitation to their Halloween party. But as I said earlier, this whole thing is a massive clusterfuck. Its going to take some time to unravel.
Yes, she said later it was not consensual. She also said in a text, "I never lie".Interesting because the text threads I read do not imply consent at all. Quite the opposite.Look up "gangbang". It has both consensual and non-consensual contexts. On the consensual side, it is a common thing on porn sites (or so I hear
In the Cornell case, Jane Doe herself refers to what happened that night as a "gangbang", and appears (initially, anyway) to consider it consensual, and in fact seems more concerned about the rumors spreading about it, than any trauma from the event itself:
Cornell Jane Doe & Frat Bro Texted About 'Gang Bang' Rumors ... Let's Find the Leaker!!!
She seems to have changed her tune about it being consensual once it spread around campus and Chi Phi withdrew their invitation to their Halloween party. But as I said earlier, this whole thing is a massive clusterfuck. Its going to take some time to unravel.
Which is why I call it clusterfuck, and not to jump to conclusions. Yet that doesn't stop the pitchfork and torches crowd.
You're living in an imaginary world unconnected to reality. There is no such crowd. Your "pitchforks and torches" are metaphors. The event itself, the response from the school, and the response from the legal system are not metaphors. Those are very real. Who the fuck cares about the scenario of mob justice your fevered imagination has produced, when there are real matters to consider? If anyone actually brandishes a pitchfork, or in any other meaningfully way tries to circumvent the justice system with a pointy object, you might have a point. But all people want is a trial. Not vigilante justice. Not a riot. The diametric opposite of mob justice, in fact. They want a society in which accusations of a crime are taken seriously, investigated, and acted on as needed.Yes, she said later it was not consensual. She also said in a text, "I never lie".Interesting because the text threads I read do not imply consent at all. Quite the opposite.Look up "gangbang". It has both consensual and non-consensual contexts. On the consensual side, it is a common thing on porn sites (or so I hear
In the Cornell case, Jane Doe herself refers to what happened that night as a "gangbang", and appears (initially, anyway) to consider it consensual, and in fact seems more concerned about the rumors spreading about it, than any trauma from the event itself:
Cornell Jane Doe & Frat Bro Texted About 'Gang Bang' Rumors ... Let's Find the Leaker!!!
She seems to have changed her tune about it being consensual once it spread around campus and Chi Phi withdrew their invitation to their Halloween party. But as I said earlier, this whole thing is a massive clusterfuck. Its going to take some time to unravel.
Explain to me how you can obtain consent from someone full of booze and ketamine. Are you going to defend Bill Cosby next?
Agreeing to sex with two people is not the same as agreeing to take on all comers. She tried to protest but was far too intoxicated to effectively defend herself.Yes, she said later it was not consensual. She also said in a text, "I never lie".Interesting because the text threads I read do not imply consent at all. Quite the opposite.Look up "gangbang". It has both consensual and non-consensual contexts. On the consensual side, it is a common thing on porn sites (or so I hear
In the Cornell case, Jane Doe herself refers to what happened that night as a "gangbang", and appears (initially, anyway) to consider it consensual, and in fact seems more concerned about the rumors spreading about it, than any trauma from the event itself:
Cornell Jane Doe & Frat Bro Texted About 'Gang Bang' Rumors ... Let's Find the Leaker!!!
She seems to have changed her tune about it being consensual once it spread around campus and Chi Phi withdrew their invitation to their Halloween party. But as I said earlier, this whole thing is a massive clusterfuck. Its going to take some time to unravel.
You can't. But in Bill Cosby's case the substance abuse itself was done without consent and that makes what he did predatory and completely different. Do you think the law should also forbid people from sex if someone is clearly under the influence of alcohol or other substances? That sounds excessive to me but I have a feeling that most people on this board would favor that kind of law.
"I didn't drug her, Your Honor. I just took advantage of the situation"
Like all the conservatives in this thread, he wants us to be more concerned about a "scary" hypothetical he insists liberals want (though he cannot of course demonstrate that anyone has argued for such a law) than about the real, tangible, and immediate harm faced eveyr year by the women of this country.
