3 brave officers disarm 17 year old girl by shooting her to death

[ksen]

http://www.marshallnewsmessenger.co...cle_31dd17c0-7877-5f24-81b2-90ccfdf11b7a.html

Three Longview police officers were placed on paid leave Friday after the shooting death of a Longview teenager in the lobby of the Longview Police Department.

Officials identified the victim of the Thursday night incident as Kristiana Coignard, 17, a former Pine Tree ISD student who police say was shot after brandishing a weapon at officers.

Pct. 4 Justice of the Peace James Mathis, the official who declared her dead, said she was shot “multiple times.”

Some additional details about Kristiana:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/26/3615294/kristiana-coignard-shot-cops-longview/

Robertson said that her niece had been struggling with mental illness, including depression and bipolar disorder, since her mother died when she was four. She had been hospitalized twice in recent years after suicide attempts. One time, she tried to hang herself. Another time, she drank toilet bowl cleaner. Since arriving in Longview in December, Coignard had been taking medication and regularly seeing a therapist. She had no criminal record and “was only violent with herself, ” Robertson said.

Robertson and Coignard’s grandmother, Holly McGuire, spoke to a Longview police officer on the night Coignard was killed for about 30 minutes. They were provided with few details of what transpired but were told that a video of the incident, including sound, exists. They have not been contacted by the Texas Rangers.

Kristian Brian, a spokesperson for the Longview Police Department, declined to comment further on the case, citing the ongoing investigation by the Texas Rangers. Brian did confirm that a video of the incident exists.

A picture of the vicious monster 3 grown men couldn't disarm:

 

[Derec]

#knifeupdontshoot!
#whitelivesmatter

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Paid leave = paid vacation.

I'll bet their investigation proves they did nothing wrong.

 

[barbos]

Where did she get a gun?

 

[ksen]

what gun?

 

[Bronzeage]

You know that thing on television, where the compassionate cop talks to the person with a gun and convinces them to put the gun down. That only happens of TV.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Well, our brave and fearless police would never overreact and shoot her three times if her "weapon" was something like a razor blade.

 

[Nexus]

You know that thing on television, where the compassionate cop talks to the person with a gun and convinces them to put the gun down. That only happens of TV.

The sad truth is even in tv and films where the cops are clearly thugs and part of the oppressive police state they often show more restraint and professionalism.

 

[credoconsolans]

Looks like "suicide by cop" to me.

 

[laughing dog]

Looks like "suicide by cop" to me.

Are you sure it wasn't part of God's plan as well?

 

[Mageth]

Looks like "suicide by cop" to me.

Errrr....so the cops were obliged to provide the suicide service?

 

[Rhea]

Looks like "suicide by cop" to me.

Errrr....so the cops were obliged to provide the suicide service?

Obliged, hell, they are eager it seems.

 

[Starr]

There isn't really enough to this story to come to any good conclusion. We don't even know what sort of weapon she brandished. Was it a knife? If so, I agree this was a severe overreaction. If it was a gun, it may not have been. Since this happened in a police station there should be ample video documentation of the encounter. I'm sure there will eventually be enough information available to come to a solid informed conclusion.

 

[Bronzeage]

There isn't really enough to this story to come to any good conclusion. We don't even know what sort of weapon she brandished. Was it a knife? If so, I agree this was a severe overreaction. If it was a gun, it may not have been. Since this happened in a police station there should be ample video documentation of the encounter. I'm sure there will eventually be enough information available to come to a solid informed conclusion.

It's the same old story, with the same old ending. If a person challenges a cop, they are likely to be killed. In any confrontation with a policeman, there is at least one gun present. A policeman has the original "stand your ground" defense in any situation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Looks like "suicide by cop" to me.

Article from OP says she "came at" the officers. This implies it was not a gun (though possibly an unloaded musket with a knife at the end).

It could have been suicide, but of course, if she didn't have a gun, the officers weren't in any lethal danger for their lives, outnumbering her. What sick fuck just pulls the gun out anyway? Are these people not trained to subdue people? Especially smaller teenaged girls?

 

[bilby]

Looks like "suicide by cop" to me.

Article from OP says she "came at" the officers. This implies it was not a gun (though possibly an unloaded musket with a knife at the end).

It could have been suicide, but of course, if she didn't have a gun, the officers weren't in any lethal danger for their lives, outnumbering her. What sick fuck just pulls the gun out anyway? Are these people not trained to subdue people? Especially smaller teenaged girls?

The police are paid to put their lives on the line in order to protect members of the public.
Because they put their lives on the line to protect the public, we owe them our deep respect.
Because we owe them our deep respect, it is unreasonable and unworthy for us to criticise them.
Because it is unreasonable and unworthy to criticise the police, we must not complain if they choose not to put their lives on the line in order to protect a member of the public.
QED.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Article from OP says she "came at" the officers. This implies it was not a gun (though possibly an unloaded musket with a knife at the end).

It could have been suicide, but of course, if she didn't have a gun, the officers weren't in any lethal danger for their lives, outnumbering her. What sick fuck just pulls the gun out anyway? Are these people not trained to subdue people? Especially smaller teenaged girls?

The police are paid to put their lives on the line in order to protect members of the public.
Because they put their lives on the line to protect the public, we owe them our deep respect.
Because we owe them our deep respect, it is unreasonable and unworthy for us to criticise them.
Because it is unreasonable and unworthy to criticise the police, we must not complain if they choose not to put their lives on the line in order to protect a member of the public.
QED.

I agree fully with our police overlords, but the fact of the matter is that if she didn't have a gun, their lives weren't at risk. Potential injury, yes, but not likely their lives.

 

[bilby]

The police are paid to put their lives on the line in order to protect members of the public.
Because they put their lives on the line to protect the public, we owe them our deep respect.
Because we owe them our deep respect, it is unreasonable and unworthy for us to criticise them.
Because it is unreasonable and unworthy to criticise the police, we must not complain if they choose not to put their lives on the line in order to protect a member of the public.
QED.

I agree fully with our police overlords, but the fact of the matter is that if she didn't have a gun, their lives weren't at risk. Potential injury, yes, but not likely their lives.

Heroes can't be too careful. It is one thing to have a reputation for bravery, but quite another to risk getting scratches or bruises - or even breaking a nail.

 

[Starr]

I agree fully with our police overlords, but the fact of the matter is that if she didn't have a gun, their lives weren't at risk. Potential injury, yes, but not likely their lives.

You don't know that. You have next to no idea what happened. This could certainly be another case of police misuse of force, but it is irrational to assume it is on such flimsy information.

In addition I find it crazy how people seem to think someone with a knife isn't a threat to your life. Let's say hypothetically that she did have a knife. It seems most people seem to think the safe thing to do would be for the three police officers to tackle and restrain her. This isn't the movies, where it is a simple matter of catching their wrist and applying a little pressure to make them drop the knife. If she really wanted to hurt them (which they have to assume), any attempt to take the knife by direct force is highly likely to result in very serious or fatal injury. Now, in this hypothetical scenario what should the police do? Well, assuming there were no third parties around that might be injured, so it is just the three cops and the girl, what I would try to do is keep my distance, and try to get some large furniture between me and her, so as to avoid the possibility of being rushed. Then I would try to talk her down as long as possible.

Of course all this is purely imaginary, because we know only the barest outline of what went down. It may be as bad as you think, or it may not be. Seriously where has people's skepticism gone. I can get just as outraged as the next person about abuse of power by the police (overuse of SWAT and no-knock raids in particular), but there is no reason for people to be so sure this is an example of that with so little information. Why can't people take the sensible route and just say "I don't know enough to make an informed conclusion."

 

[ksen]

the police haved used up my allotment of benefit of the doubt and it's their own fault