Learner
Veteran Member
Hypothetical ... Heaven like that of a life raft... seems like both replies as thoughtful imo.
It's just a hypothetical right?
But yes, if you are likening heaven to a life raft with only a limited number of seats, then yes I would offer you mine.
Would you take it?
Yes.
So, although it makes no sense to me whatsoever........ thank you very very very much.
Bonus points just for giving a straight answer.
Now, regarding whether it's definitely, actually hypothetical or not...........I think I covered that in a caveat in the OP.
Is that a scratchy sound I hear from on high? The sound of golden pen nib on purest parchment.......
On second thoughts Lion, I'm afraid I can't believe you. That's not to denigrate your offer, and you can still keep the points and the bonus points, but....maybe you only gave that answer because you were assuming it wasn't actually going to happen, and....that sort of changes things, imo.
So, thanks again, but I'm afraid, no offence intended, that I can't believe you. Look, even Jesus didn't do it and god (allegedly) never asked him to. So, it's no disgrace.
Well, it's never stopped them from pretending to know before. That's what faith is really. Pretending to know the answer when you don't.I don't quite get what it is you're asking. You want a heaven-bound theist to allow you into heaven in their place? This sounds like one of those requests that are made of Christians that most Christians would reply "that's not how any of this works." Or perhaps I'm missing something.
That's just a way of avoiding the question, imo.
I mean, who in Gork's name can claim to actually know how it normally works, eh? Never mind how it might work in a one-off situation? Short answer: no one, no human at any rate.
Don't ask hypothetical questions then accuse arguendo replies of dishonesty
That's bad faith dialogue.
...worse than what you said about 'angry atheists' in the Op
No, you can have my actual seat...
Are you suggesting that it only counts if we "actually" believe the same thing about the afterlife that the scenario implies? Because I don't think anyone actually does.
If there were such a scenario, though, I would give up my seat willingly, and indeed conceive of no other moral option, especially for a follower of Christ and his teachings. Realizing this was one of the major reasons I stopped believing in Hell, as a youth. It seemed absurd to me to think that I was more merciful than God, and concluded that theologians etc must have been confused about their cosmology.
No, my answer was according to your rules. If all is as in your scenario (however implausible I may find this), you may have my seat. Because, as noted above, it would be immoral for anyone to do otherwise, and particularly hypocritical for a student of Christ to do otherwise, having been a beneficiary of similar generosity themselves.
I feel like the Perrier would just make the burning sulfur worse honestly, but do say "hi" to my mother, if you would; she'll be missing me.
Are you suggesting that it only counts if we "actually" believe the same thing about the afterlife that the scenario implies? Because I don't think anyone actually does.
I feel like the Perrier would just make the burning sulfur worse...
I'm pretty sure the sets of "believe in an eternal life in a literal heaven or hell" and "believe that an individual could give up their seat for another in said arrangement" do not show strong overlap.
Well, that is another problem I have with the whole Hell scenario.
I don't think she'll blame me, though. She might have some sore feelings toward you. A good woman, but not above personal bias.
I'm sure anger is one of the emotions that would pass through my soul over the centuries.....