American schools to punish children for walkout protests

[dismal]

A high school teacher in California was placed on leave on Wednesday after she questioned what she said was a "double standard" in the nationwide school walkouts.

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“And so I just kind of used the example, which I know it’s really controversial, but I know it was the best example I thought of at the time — a group of students nationwide, or even locally, decided ‘I want to walk out of school for 17 minutes’ and go in the quad area and protest abortion, would that be allowed by our administration?" she told the television station.

“If you’re going to allow students to walk up and get out of class without penalty then you have to allow any group of students that wants to protest,” she said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...igh-school-teacher-on-leave-after-questioning

This teacher seems to get this whole "viewpoint discrimination" business. It's funny they suspended her for knowing how the 1st Amendment works.

What's wrong with staging a walkout to protest abortion and which schoolboard disallowed that? If a bunch of students feel like the mass murder of babies is an important topic that they want to draw attention to and this gets them active and engaged in the political process, they should do it.

This teacher's comments are good and she should be commended for making them and not punished.

Well, as I said, she seems to understand how the first amendment works. The administration must have the same policy for any protest of anything.

If the school board allowed similar protests there's no way they can suspend her for making this protest. No way it will be upheld anyway.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, as I said, she seems to understand how the first amendment works. The administration must have the same policy for any protest of anything.

If the school board allowed similar protests there's no way they can suspend her for making this protest. No way it will be upheld anyway.

Yes, it should not be upheld. The schoolboard is clearly in the wrong here.

 

[dismal]

Well, as I said, she seems to understand how the first amendment works. The administration must have the same policy for any protest of anything.

If the school board allowed similar protests there's no way they can suspend her for making this protest. No way it will be upheld anyway.

Yes, it should not be upheld. The schoolboard is clearly in the wrong here.

Not only that, if some kids decide to walk out to protest that there was broccoli served at lunch or a test was too hard they can't punish them either.

 

[Derec]

Wait... Derec hates women and muslims?!

Criticizing any woman or a Muslim is the same as hating them?
Saying that Linda Sarsour supports Sharia Law or that Tamika Mallory supports Louis Farrakhan is hate speech? As is acknowledging that Nation of Islam is a deeply racist and antisemitic outfit?

 

[Derec]

They didn't organize the walkouts.

Says you. CNN says otherwise. As does this site.

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Hardly. Many Democrats have been sounding the alarm at some of these women, and at the Democratic party not taking antisemitism seriously enough.

Many perhaps. But many are eerily silent, or even supportive of this.

 

[Derec]

Also, is “We don’t want to die” really a political viewpoint?

That's a bit overdramatic. The chance of dying in a mass school shooting is very small. And most gun killings are not done with AR15s but with regular handguns in non-mass shootings. But they do not generate the national headlines.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, as I said, she seems to understand how the first amendment works. The administration must have the same policy for any protest of anything.

If the school board allowed similar protests there's no way they can suspend her for making this protest. No way it will be upheld anyway.

Yes, it should not be upheld. The schoolboard is clearly in the wrong here.

Not only that, if some kids decide to walk out to protest that there was broccoli served at lunch or a test was too hard they can't punish them either.

You seem to have this idea that people are unable to apply judgement to things and need every action codified in order to act at all. That's a weird position for a libertarian to take.

I get that you're just trolling for the sake of a reaction, but it just seems like an odd tack to take in order to do so.

 

[Derec]

First, the March 14th walkout was not prompted nor organized by the Women's March Organizers.

Maybe not by the three head honchesses personally, but it was organized by their organization.

Second, the politics of these organizers has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of gun safety.

That was part of my point. Elsewhere they glorified gun crime committed by one JoAnne Chesimard, a BLA terrorist and convicted murderer. So they only care about gun violence when politically expedient.

Third, none of this has anything to do with Donald Trump.

His election is what prompted the formation of the Women's March. It has everything to do with him.

But, all of this was just another excuse for someone to ride his hobby horses in public.

Nope. Just giving context. This was not a student-organized walkout. This was choreographed by a highly questionable political organization.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

Not only that, if some kids decide to walk out to protest that there was broccoli served at lunch or a test was too hard they can't punish them either.

You seem to have this idea that people are unable to apply judgement to things and need every action codified in order to act at all. That's a weird position for a libertarian to take.

I get that you're just trolling for the sake of a reaction, but it just seems like an odd tack to take in order to do so.

No, he's saying (among other things) is that if they allow walking out to protest X (whatever X is), then they are constitutionally bound (by the First Amendment) to allow walking out to protest Y, whatever Y is, no matter how absurd protesting Y might be, and no matter how reasonable protesting X might be.

 

[dismal]

Not only that, if some kids decide to walk out to protest that there was broccoli served at lunch or a test was too hard they can't punish them either.

You seem to have this idea that people are unable to apply judgement to things and need every action codified in order to act at all. That's a weird position for a libertarian to take.

I get that you're just trolling for the sake of a reaction, but it just seems like an odd tack to take in order to do so.

No, I seem to have this idea that US government officials are Constitutionally prohibited from engaging in viewpoint discrimination. Whatever policies they have with respect to protests must apply equally to all protests.

I got this idea because the US Supreme court says it.

 

[laughing dog]

Maybe not by the three head honchesses personally, but it was organized by their organization.

No, it did not. They called on people (which is simply endorsing the walkout). Logic fail.

That was part of my point. Elsewhere they glorified gun crime committed by one JoAnne Chesimard, a BLA terrorist and convicted murderer. So they only care about gun violence when politically expedient.

Nothing to do with gun safety at schoolls - which is the subject of the OP.

His election is what prompted the formation of the Women's March. It has everything to do with him.

Which has nothing to do with the OP. Yet another logic fail.

Nope. Just giving context.

Of your irrelevant biases.

This was not a student-organized walkout. This was choreographed by a highly questionable political organization.

Factually incorrect.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Apparently there has been at least one instance of a student being disciplined for not participating in the walkout as well.

 

[Elixir]

Apparently there has been at least one instance of a student being disciplined for not participating in the walkout as well.

Apparent to whom?
Citation needed.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not only that, if some kids decide to walk out to protest that there was broccoli served at lunch or a test was too hard they can't punish them either.

You seem to have this idea that people are unable to apply judgement to things and need every action codified in order to act at all.

dismal lives in a black and white world, at least online.

 

[dismal]

Not only that, if some kids decide to walk out to protest that there was broccoli served at lunch or a test was too hard they can't punish them either.

You seem to have this idea that people are unable to apply judgement to things and need every action codified in order to act at all.

dismal lives in a black and white world, at least online.

In this case it is very black and white that government can't engage in viewpoint discrimination.

 

[Elixir]

dismal lives in a black and white world, at least online.

In this case it is very black and white that government can't engage in viewpoint discrimination.

So protesting against broccoli is the same as protesting against mass murder... got it.
Or are you wishing that young people who subscribe to neo-libertarian ideals would organize and protest against the suppression of their ideas?

 

[Trausti]

dismal lives in a black and white world, at least online.

In this case it is very black and white that government can't engage in viewpoint discrimination.

It's quite amazing the push back you're getting stating (correctly) that the government must be neutral. Lots of fascists/communists in this thread.

 

[Patooka]

dismal lives in a black and white world, at least online.

In this case it is very black and white that government can't engage in viewpoint discrimination.

It's quite amazing the push back your getting stating (correctly) that the government must be neutral. Lots of fascists/communists in this thread.

You're right. common sense has nothing to do with it. Only a fascist would use common sense. It seems that the only counter arguments to this demonstration are either Alex Jones type arguments (they're actors, the movement is hijacked by crypto/proto/neo/fucko deep statist) or what if (what if this was about broccoli or the cancellation of Firefly etc). The best response to such assertions is:

If fascist and communist are the only ones using a bit of common sense in this scenario, I'm with the communists and fascists.

 

[Trausti]

It's quite amazing the push back your getting stating (correctly) that the government must be neutral. Lots of fascists/communists in this thread.

You're right. common sense has nothing to do with it. Only a fascist would use common sense. It seems that the only counter arguments to this demonstration are either Alex Jones type arguments (they're actors, the movement is hijacked by crypto/proto/neo/fucko deep statist) or what if (what if this was about broccoli or the cancellation of Firefly etc). The best response to such assertions is:

If fascist and communist are the only ones using a bit of common sense in this scenario, I'm with the communists and fascists.

You really would cede to government the power to decide what is acceptable speech and what is not? What is acceptable protest and what is not? Yes, I guess you are a proud communist and fascist. It's like that Cold War joke that Reagan often repeated. An American says to a Soviet, "In the US, we have freedom of speech. I can go the White House and say 'Mr. Reagan, I don't like how you're running this country.'" The Soviet responds that he, too, has freedom of speech. He can go to the Kremlin and say, "I don't like how Mr. Reagan is running his country."

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

They didn't organize the walkouts.

Says you. CNN says otherwise. As does this site.

You already said they were for it.