American schools to punish children for walkout protests

[Derec]

Are you that ignorant of school liability? They can't leave you unsupervised in a classroom during school hours on their property.

But dozens of kids wildin' through a Walmart is apparently ok? Because I have yet to see anybody praising these walkouts criticize this behavior:

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Are you that ignorant of school liability? They can't leave you unsupervised in a classroom during school hours on their property.

But dozens of kids wildin' through a Walmart is ok?

I'm not going to look at the video. Supposing it is true that kids vandalized Walmart, then no, that's not morally okay.

Also, has nothing to do with school policy regarding liability due to this particular student's actions.
See my post#55:

The fact of the matter is that you cannot arbitrarily decide to go to a classroom unsupervised in the school when you are supposed to be in the study hall supervised there. This makes it a school matter, ...

and RavenSky's link:

Raterman said their policy is they cannot leave students unattended in the building for security reasons.

These are things that anyone posting in the forum ought to already know and understand.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

That's because the official story is always completely correct and never to be doubted. The school made it clear that he couldn't go to class because the school was supporting the walkout. He chose to go to class, he got suspended.

Are you that ignorant of school liability? They can't leave you unsupervised in a classroom during school hours on their property. If something happens to you or you destroy something, they are liable. So you have to listen and go to study hall. Everything is not a giant political conspiracy.

Where are the teachers who are supposed to be in those rooms at those times? If he is scheduled to be in a certain room at a certain time, surely the regular procedure is that he isn't unsupervised.

 

[laughing dog]

Are you that ignorant of school liability? They can't leave you unsupervised in a classroom during school hours on their property.

But dozens of kids wildin' through a Walmart is apparently ok? Because I have yet to see anybody praising these walkouts criticize this behavior:

First, that behavior is not a protest. Second, what exactly is your point (assuming you actually have a point).

 

[ZiprHead]

Are you that ignorant of school liability? They can't leave you unsupervised in a classroom during school hours on their property.

But dozens of kids wildin' through a Walmart is apparently ok? Because I have yet to see anybody praising these walkouts criticize this behavior:

If they were wilding through walmart then they weren't protesters. There was no protest at walmart.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

That's because the official story is always completely correct and never to be doubted. The school made it clear that he couldn't go to class because the school was supporting the walkout. He chose to go to class, he got suspended.

Are you that ignorant of school liability? They can't leave you unsupervised in a classroom during school hours on their property. If something happens to you or you destroy something, they are liable. So you have to listen and go to study hall. Everything is not a giant political conspiracy.

Where are the teachers who are supposed to be in those rooms at those times? If he is scheduled to be in a certain room at a certain time, surely the regular procedure is that he isn't unsupervised.

He was scheduled to be in study hall and supervised. Don't you know how school works?

 

[crazyfingers]

The school district I live in loves to bully parents with kids with disabilities and sweep those kids under the rug such that I consider our school district to be essentially evil and criminal.

But at lease they let the "normal" kids do the protest without consequences.

Now if kids with disabilities wanted to protest the criminal actions of our school district, those kids would be suspended and the school would try to take the parents' rights away in court.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Where are the teachers who are supposed to be in those rooms at those times? If he is scheduled to be in a certain room at a certain time, surely the regular procedure is that he isn't unsupervised.

He was scheduled to be in study hall and supervised. Don't you know how school works?

His day-to-day schedule that he had been following all semester didn't say "study hall this period", it said "math this period" and "English this period". Putting him in study hall wasn't his schedule. The fact that his teachers weren't there for math and English and et. cetera is a critique of state sponsorship of this "spontaneous" student walkout.

His "crime" was to go to the same classes that day as he went to the day before. Lo and behold, the teachers who were supposed to be there and were required to be there weren't there, and he was suspended for that.

 

[Toni]

Where are the teachers who are supposed to be in those rooms at those times? If he is scheduled to be in a certain room at a certain time, surely the regular procedure is that he isn't unsupervised.

He was scheduled to be in study hall and supervised. Don't you know how school works?

His day-to-day schedule that he had been following all semester didn't say "study hall this period", it said "math this period" and "English this period". Putting him in study hall wasn't his schedule. The fact that his teachers weren't there for math and English and et. cetera is a critique of state sponsorship of this "spontaneous" student walkout.

His "crime" was to go to the same classes that day as he went to the day before. Lo and behold, the teachers who were supposed to be there and were required to be there weren't there, and he was suspended for that.

I didn't realize you had his actual school class schedule. The school is definitely irresponsible, and possibly criminally so, if they allowed this information to be made public. The kid's safety could be at significant risk.

That aside, Don's right: I think we all know how school works. When, from time to time, there is a deviation from regular school routine, the school announces what alternative arrangements have been made. For my kids, there were occasionally all school pep rallies centered around things like home coming. One of my kids was...not someone who was very inclined to participate in mandatory school pep rallies. For those like my kid, there was a study hall arranged and those students who did not wish to participate in the pep rally were expected to attend the study hall where attendance was taken. The information about where students were expected to be was well broadcast and everyone knew what was expected of them. My kids' school was not unusually well organized. It strains all credulity that this particular student did not know that he was to go to study hall. Either he didn't know because he was absent the day such arrangements were announced (and was it an excused absence???) or he was trying to make a counter point that students should just accept that being murdered by armed gunmen while attending school is part of the deal these days.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Where are the teachers who are supposed to be in those rooms at those times? If he is scheduled to be in a certain room at a certain time, surely the regular procedure is that he isn't unsupervised.

He was scheduled to be in study hall and supervised. Don't you know how school works?

His day-to-day schedule that he had been following all semester didn't say "study hall this period", it said "math this period" and "English this period". Putting him in study hall wasn't his schedule. The fact that his teachers weren't there for math and English and et. cetera is a critique of state sponsorship of this "spontaneous" student walkout.

His "crime" was to go to the same classes that day as he went to the day before. Lo and behold, the teachers who were supposed to be there and were required to be there weren't there, and he was suspended for that.

No, that isn't what happened. You just keeping digging that hole deeper and deeper.

What actually happened is that it was announced ahead of time that students would be going to the protest and if they didn't want to go they had the alternative to be supervised in study hall with other activities where he could read a book or do his math homework.

He chose to go his unscheduled class instead, i.e. the one that was cancelled for the day and that had no teacher. Administrators told him to go to study hall. He refused. They told him again and again and he kept refusing. So, they gave him a suspension. Of course, it'd be fine if had a note from his father to go home for the day, but he decided to go to an unsupervised, unscheduled classroom and then not listen to school administrators.

As for this:

...state sponsorship...

Wow, not only did you keep digging after you shifted the goalposts, now you're doubling down. The Republican Party is the state right now, not some couple of school administrators. The school administrators are "in loco parentis" and so they have to supervise the student while he is on their property. They are babysitters and he was being a bad listener. Twitler and the One Party Rule right now are the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial. The Republicans gave the Constitution the finger when they refused to confirm Obama's Supreme Court nomination. Drumpf continuously gives mandates and executive orders, not listening much to anyone else. And you are calling administrators/babysitters doing their jobs "state sponsorship."

No, Anakin, you are so far gone reading stupid right-wing propaganda from conservative sites that you refuse to see. Your allegiance is to democracy, not the Chancellor.

 

[braces_for_impact]

Where are the teachers who are supposed to be in those rooms at those times? If he is scheduled to be in a certain room at a certain time, surely the regular procedure is that he isn't unsupervised.

He was scheduled to be in study hall and supervised. Don't you know how school works?

His day-to-day schedule that he had been following all semester didn't say "study hall this period", it said "math this period" and "English this period". Putting him in study hall wasn't his schedule. The fact that his teachers weren't there for math and English and et. cetera is a critique of state sponsorship of this "spontaneous" student walkout.

His "crime" was to go to the same classes that day as he went to the day before. Lo and behold, the teachers who were supposed to be there and were required to be there weren't there, and he was suspended for that.

OK before you were being obnoxious and stubborn but now this is getting silly...

 

[fast]

I find it stupendously disengenuous to accuse American schools for punishing children for walkout protests. It's blatantly false. Why not blame them for the real issue (which is their failure to draft appropriate rules) and endeavor to see it through?

 

[bilby]

Enforcement without the excercise of discretion is totalitarianism.

The government can, should, and does excercise enforcement discretion constantly; when this ceases to occur (for example due to mandatory sentencing rules), injustice is inevitable.

Rules and laws are merely guidelines for how to make society work; they are never perfect, and enforcers must take account of that fact when deciding whether or not to be lenient, or to even completely disregard transgressions.

Of course the world is full of petty fascist wannabes who cannot contemplate this without their tiny brains exploding.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

His day-to-day schedule that he had been following all semester didn't say "study hall this period", it said "math this period" and "English this period". Putting him in study hall wasn't his schedule. The fact that his teachers weren't there for math and English and et. cetera is a critique of state sponsorship of this "spontaneous" student walkout.

His "crime" was to go to the same classes that day as he went to the day before. Lo and behold, the teachers who were supposed to be there and were required to be there weren't there, and he was suspended for that.

No, that isn't what happened. You just keeping digging that hole deeper and deeper.

What actually happened is that it was announced ahead of time that students would be going to the protest and if they didn't want to go they had the alternative to be supervised in study hall with other activities where he could read a book or do his math homework.

Which wasn't his regular schedule.

He chose to go his unscheduled class instead, i.e. the one that was cancelled for the day and that had no teacher.

Why did his regular class have no teacher?

Administrators told him to go to study hall. He refused. They told him again and again and he kept refusing.

Yes, he went to his regularly scheduled class class.

So, they gave him a suspension. Of course, it'd be fine if had a note from his father to go home for the day, but he decided to go to an unsupervised, unscheduled classroom and then not listen to school administrators.

Why was his regularly scheduled class unsupervised?

As for this:

...state sponsorship...

Wow, not only did you keep digging after you shifted the goalposts, now you're doubling down.

Then tell me why his regularly scheduled class had no teacher.

The Republican Party

The what party?

right-wing propaganda

What wing?

from conservative sites

What sites?

So, according to you, if the local level of government approves a walkout that a higher level doesn't agree with, the local level doesn't approve of it because the uniform monolithic government with no differentiation disapproves of it. Teachers, who generally vote Democrat, all changed their registration to match that of the higher level of government. And you have the nerve to say that my perspective is contrary to reality.

 

[RavenSky]

His regularly scheduled class was cancelled. The teachers were in one of the two places designated for that time period, supervising the students, who were also supposed to be in one of the two designated places.

He deliberately chose not to be in either of the two designated places, and deliberately chose to ignore school administrators reminders to go to one of the two designating places.

I do feel for the kid. He says he didn't want to participate in the protest but also didn't want to be viewed as turning his backs on the murdered students - which he seems to think attending the study hall would give the appearance of.

Looking at how the gun-nuts are trying to politicize his situation, he seems to have been correct in that assessment.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

His regularly scheduled class was cancelled...

I wonder what kinds of zany things this kid will do on Senior Skip Day when they combine two trigonometry classes into one for the day due to lack of students. Perhaps, he will try to remain neutral between what the school says to do and skipping. So, instead of either attending the irregularly scheduled trigonometry class and instead of meeting other seniors skipping, he'll just go to the weight room with no supervision. Maybe he wants to be healthy and get some exercise. Of course, the liberal meanies in charge who want to steal everyone's guns won't let him arbitrarily go to the weight room unsupervised, though. And he'll argue with those meanies over and over. Boom, another suspension.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

His regularly scheduled class was cancelled.

That's the funny thing about this. WHY was his regularly scheduled class cancelled? Why it is almost as if the school was encouraging the walkout, as if the school was trying to get as many students involved in it as possible.

Surely you have a different explanation as to WHY his regularly scheduled class was cancelled. Was the teacher sick? Couldn't they get a sub?

 

[Patooka]

His regularly scheduled class was cancelled.

That's the funny thing about this. WHY was his regularly scheduled class cancelled? Why it is almost as if the school was encouraging the walkout, as if the school was trying to get as many students involved in it as possible.

Surely you have a different explanation as to WHY his regularly scheduled class was cancelled. Was the teacher sick? Couldn't they get a sub?

It's pretty clear you never went to school, otherwise you would have learned an object can't be in two places at once. The walkout was going to happen with or without the schools endorsement. That meant students were going to be in two different places. Students needed to be supervised and teachers needed to cover both areas. Are you keeping up or do I need to get the crayons out? As to why the school didn't fork out money for a substitute teacher, that money is earmarked for firearms procurement and weapons training. There is nothing left in the budget for substitution.

Incidently, I think you already knew this, you are just being deliberately obtuse. Full marks for your sophistry.

 

[RavenSky]

His regularly scheduled class was cancelled.

That's the funny thing about this. WHY was his regularly scheduled class cancelled? Why it is almost as if the school was encouraging the walkout, as if the school was trying to get as many students involved in it as possible.

Surely you have a different explanation as to WHY his regularly scheduled class was cancelled. Was the teacher sick? Couldn't they get a sub?

Half the class is going to be out for the protest, and half the school's teachers needed to be with them to supervise. It makes sense, then, to have the remaining students have a study hall period with the rest of the teachers supervising them.

It is just like for certain religious holidays, schools know absenteeism will be exceptionally high, so they make it a "teacher work day" rather than have half-filled classes and too few teachers. I'm sure you think this kid should go sit in a classroom all by himself on those days, too.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

His regularly scheduled class was cancelled.

That's the funny thing about this. WHY was his regularly scheduled class cancelled? Why it is almost as if the school was encouraging the walkout, as if the school was trying to get as many students involved in it as possible.

Surely you have a different explanation as to WHY his regularly scheduled class was cancelled. Was the teacher sick? Couldn't they get a sub?

It's pretty clear you never went to school, otherwise you would have learned an object can't be in two places at once. The walkout was going to happen with or without the schools endorsement. That meant students were going to be in two different places. Students needed to be supervised and teachers needed to cover both areas. Are you keeping up or do I need to get the crayons out? As to why the school didn't fork out money for a substitute teacher, that money is earmarked for firearms procurement and weapons training. There is nothing left in the budget for substitution.

Incidently, I think you already knew this, you are just being deliberately obtuse. Full marks for your sophistry.

Maybe he was homeschooled so doesn't know.