Another cop "fears for his life" - Officer Michael Slager Shooting Unarmed Black Man In The Back

[RavenSky]

Huh? How do you get that from what I wrote.
Of course people who kill others without legal justification should be tried and, if proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. convicted. And yes, that goes for cops too.

It's just that such convictions do not do the victim any good. Thus, it is a good strategy in life to avoid situations that increase one's chances of getting shot and killed.

Way to blame the victim!

I wonder... did you say the same thing about the vicious wife-beater who got murdered by the woman he abused for years? "It is a good strategy in life to avoid being an abusive fuckward because that increases one's chances of getting roasted alive for it"

Why no. No you didn't.

You went on a multi-day rage against the woman who killed her abuser.

But here, you are defending the killer and blaming the dead black guy.

Gee, I wonder what is so different that you would completely reverse your stance.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Interesting derail. Because the guy ran away from his car. A car that is registered to him... with an address. An address to go to, to arrest him (if necessary) or at least give him the paperwork and bill for getting his car back.

There was no imminent danger of future crimes here.

Then I guess we might as well eliminate the whole concept of pre-trial detention. After all, you know where they live and can go grab them whenever you want.

Pre-trial detention is only for poor people.

 

[J842P]

That's a great article. Which part of it do you actually disagree with?

And as long as we have a policing model that’s based on arrest counts and convictions, as long as there’s a legal right to bring in people for things like court fees or traffic fines or technical violations of parole, your're creating a class of people who are arrestable on sight—a fugitive class. And then the people who don’t have these legal entanglements but are still worried that something might come up, are this secondary “maybe” fugitive class.

...

I know this guy driving his 11-year-old brother to school in his girlfriend’s car when he got stopped. Turns out that the car was stolen, so the cops charged the guy with receiving stolen property. And then they charged the 11 year old with accessory to receiving stolen property, and gave him 3 years of probation. So from now on this 11 year old is in legal jeopardy. Any less-than-positive encounter with the police could mean a violation of his probation, and send him straight to juvenile hall for the entire three years. He could be out past curfew, or sitting on the stoop with his brother’s friends, or asked to inform—anything could lead to a violation.

Because running from the police in these cases only makes things worse, even if you accept the premises of the article for the sake of discussion.

Let's take for granted, as some have claimed here, that resisting arrest is almost certain to get you shot by a cop. That would make running from the police *even more dangerous*.

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Nonsense. Here is the original post:

https://talkfreethought.org/showthr...an-In-The-Back&p=413424&viewfull=1#post413424

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There is a misconception that running from police is somehow not a stupid thing to do. And not only on here.

Who the heck said that here?

https://talkfreethought.org/showthr...an-In-The-Back&p=413424&viewfull=1#post413424

The post you linked too does not state "Running from the cops isn't stupid."

Yes, it does:

Interestingly, (alarmingly? Horrifyingly?) the only thing that would make running from the cops "stupid" is the near certainty that

1. they will try to shoot you dead if you disobey
2. AND not face any discipline over it.

Without that near-certain assumption it is not stupid to run from police.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Then I guess we might as well eliminate the whole concept of pre-trial detention. After all, you know where they live and can go grab them whenever you want.

Pre-trial detention is only for poor people.

Sometimes not even then. Depends on how busy the police are. Seriously, there are towns and departments that are so busy not giving a fuck that they'll release felony suspects "on their own recognizance" just because they don't have enough room to hold them until a bond hearing.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Yes, it does

No it doesn't:

Interestingly, (alarmingly? Horrifyingly?) the only thing that would make running from the cops "stupid" is the near certainty that

1. they will try to shoot you dead if you disobey
2. AND not face any discipline over it.

Without that near-certain assumption it is not stupid to run from police.

White people all over this country do not need to make the above assumptions, because it is understood, on some level, that white people -- especially in the suburbs -- are rarely shot and killed for disobeying police officers. Many of them learn this fairly early in life, with teenage shenanigans (e.g. parties, underage drinking, etc) usually resulting in a mad dash to escape punishment and may or may not involve jumping fences, running across busy streets or "spiderman costume" moves where one ducks into a dark alley, ditches a layer of clothing, throws on a sweater or a hat stashed for exactly that occasion, and then calmly walks OUT of that alley while the cop -- who didn't get a real good look at your face -- keeps looking for someone wearing your abandoned outfit.

Really, it's a little like saying "walking around topless at three in the morning is stupid." That's not actually true for everyone; it depends on who you are, and it depends on where you're doing it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ex-cop Michael Slager faces 19 to 24 years in prison for shooting death of Walter Scott

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I thought that ended in a mistrial. Seems odd, someone actually be held accountable for the needless killing.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I thought that ended in a mistrial. Seems odd, someone actually be held accountable for the needless killing.

I don't think the courts are biased but these cases tend be difficult to conclude.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Running away arouses suspicion. Why run away if nothing to hide? A gun was also spotted on the "victim."

Could you give some evidence to your claim?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

But he only shot because the guy ran and scuffled with him! Had Scott stayed in the car, none of this would have happened.

Why does it sounds like you are repeating some things that people told you regarding Zimmerman? ...which makes me wonder.

From your perspective:
Black guy gets out of car and runs, scuffles, try to run away, gets shot--it's his fault.
Black guy runs away, Other guy follows angrily, scuffle ensues, black guy gets shot--it's his fault.

How do you expect people to find consistency in your opinions?

 

[Elixir]

How do you expect people to find consistency in your opinions?

All you need to know is:
1) Guy was black, so
2) It was his fault.

When was the last time a WHITE guy was shot in the back while running from a cop or from a bloodthirsty right wing vigilante?

 

[angelo]

How do you expect people to find consistency in your opinions?

All you need to know is:
1) Guy was black, so
2) It was his fault.

When was the last time a WHITE guy was shot in the back while running from a cop or from a bloodthirsty right wing vigilante?

So, in your humble opinion, why are inmates in most American jails more than 50% black while African/Americans make up around 10-15% of the general populations?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How do you expect people to find consistency in your opinions?

All you need to know is:
1) Guy was black, so
2) It was his fault.

When was the last time a WHITE guy was shot in the back while running from a cop or from a bloodthirsty right wing vigilante?

So, in your humble opinion, why are inmates in most American jails more than 50% black while African/Americans make up around 10-15% of the general populations?

Poverty.

Next question, what about that statistics makes it legitimate for an officer to use deadly force against someone who isn't suspect of committing a violent crime? Yes, running away is suspicious. He is running for some reason. The officer could have asked him later after picking the guy up from his home. They had his car because he just abandoned it. Then there is the whole 'the officer tried to plant evidence on the victim' which implies the officer knew he did something wrong... hence covering it up. And it would have worked too if not caught on video.

We have a right scripted in our Bill of Rights about freedom from cruel and unusual punishment. Death for evading a police officer would be cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So, in your humble opinion, why are inmates in most American jails more than 50% black while African/Americans make up around 10-15% of the general populations?

Poverty

I think there are many factors and I do not claim to be an enlightened know-it-all so as to be capable of or creative enough to list out what such factors are. However, just to name some others besides the big one Poverty:
Scarcity & Over-population*
Having a Father who was in prison**
Racism.

*I think the lack of jobs in over-populated areas may create black market niches and organized crime/gangs to control such niches that just aren't the same thing as in areas where employment is more available and there are not enough persons to start a sustained organization to cover such niches.
**

The absence of the father is the single most important cause of crime.1) In fact, boys who are fatherless from birth are three times as likely to go to jail as peers from intact families, while boys whose fathers do not leave until they are 10 to 14 years old are two times as likely to go to jail as their peers from intact families.

In other words, it's a cyclical factor whose source could be decades or centuries ago.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How do you expect people to find consistency in your opinions?

All you need to know is:
1) Guy was black, so
2) It was his fault.

When was the last time a WHITE guy was shot in the back while running from a cop or from a bloodthirsty right wing vigilante?

So, in your humble opinion, why are inmates in most American jails more than 50% black while African/Americans make up around 10-15% of the general populations?

Economics. The poor are much more likely to end up in jail. Not only are they more likely to commit crime, but they are more likely to commit obvious crime (it's much easier to bust street dealers than those who only deal with those they know behind closed doors) and they're less likely to beat the rap with a good lawyer. (I'm not saying about guilty or not, but if the prosecution makes a mistake they are less able to capitalize on it.)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, in your humble opinion, why are inmates in most American jails more than 50% black while African/Americans make up around 10-15% of the general populations?

Economics. The poor are much more likely to end up in jail. Not only are they more likely to commit crime, but they are more likely to commit obvious crime (it's much easier to bust street dealers than those who only deal with those they know behind closed doors) and they're less likely to beat the rap with a good lawyer. (I'm not saying about guilty or not, but if the prosecution makes a mistake they are less able to capitalize on it.)

More likely to not be able to make bail, which means less likely to get a plea deal, which means going to jail (at all) and for much longer.

 

[angelo]

Do the crime do the time, Or perhaps let them do the crime and let them off because they're a minority?

 

[Arctish]

Do the crime do the time, Or perhaps let them do the crime and let them off because they're a minority?

That's an interesting comment in a thread about a guy who did no time for his alleged crime because he was murdered by a cop.

Perhaps you think suspects should be shot dead because they're a minority?

 

[Juma]

How do you expect people to find consistency in your opinions?

All you need to know is:
1) Guy was black, so
2) It was his fault.

When was the last time a WHITE guy was shot in the back while running from a cop or from a bloodthirsty right wing vigilante?

So, in your humble opinion, why are inmates in most American jails more than 50% black while African/Americans make up around 10-15% of the general populations?

Because you blacks sre expected to be bad and because social issues/poverty.

 

[Jokodo]

Do the crime do the time, Or perhaps let them do the crime and let them off because they're a minority?

Easily available statistics show that black people in America (and minorities elsewhere) are more likely do do time for the same crimes, and do more times on average for the same crimes, than white people - if only because they're less likely to be able to afford a good lawyer.

Are you saying white people should serve more prison time than they do now?