Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[steve_bank]

Maybe that is a good point. Too many peoplke in too small a plce.

There are rats who if put in a crowded environment will turn on each other when the population reaches a certain level.


But what about Japan?

Japan has a very strict policy on guns and a very strict penal system. Don't know about today, they had a low recidivism rate in the past.

They also have a generally homogeneous culture. Little of the cultural diversity issues we have that leads to conflict and shootings.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Japan culturally is accepting of authority, at least far more than our often ridiculous American hyper indiviuality. I went my gins na dno government can take then away.

The Charleton Heston quote. 'IYou can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers'.

That pretty much explains our gun problems.

Other Heston quotes. They speak to the gun culture. Guns = freedom.

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[Toni]

Maybe that is a good point. Too many peoplke in too small a plce.

There are rats who if put in a crowded environment will turn on each other when the population reaches a certain level.


But what about Japan?

Japan has a very strict policy on guns and a very strict penal system. Don't know about today, they had a low recidivism rate in the past.

They also have a generally homogeneous culture. Little of the cultural diversity issues we have that leads to conflict and shootings.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Japan culturally is accepting of authority, at least far more than our often ridiculous American hyper indiviuality. I went my gins na dno government can take then away.

The Charleton Heston quote. 'IYou can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers'.

That pretty much explains our gun problems.

Other Heston quotes. They speak to the gun culture. Guns = freedom.

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Japan has an impressively high suicide rate for a nation which does not have much access to guns.

 

[Toni]

I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.

If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.

Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.

World population density includes places like Hong Kong and The Netherlands.

You are simply wrong here; It’s up to you how stupid you wish to appear clinging to this obvious error, but I would strongly advise bailing out of your untenable position earlier rather than later.

I’m not talking about carrying capacity, or how many cows Wyoming can support. I’m talking about global human sanity, which at some (past) point starts holding an inverse relationship to population.

I see your point--however one would expect violence, especially mass shootings to result as a DIRECT result of overcrowding/population density. We don't know who the shooter was, other than he was 18. It is possible that he lived in a household that was overcrowded but Uvalde has a population of just over 15,000 and is 85 miles from San Antonio, the nearest town of any size.

 

[Elixir]

I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.

If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.

Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.

World population density includes places like Hong Kong and The Netherlands.

You are simply wrong here; It’s up to you how stupid you wish to appear clinging to this obvious error, but I would strongly advise bailing out of your untenable position earlier rather than later.

I’m not talking about carrying capacity, or how many cows Wyoming can support. I’m talking about global human sanity, which at some (past) point starts holding an inverse relationship to population.

I see your point--however one would expect violence, especially mass shootings to result as a DIRECT result of overcrowding/population density. We don't know who the shooter was, other than he was 18. It is possible that he lived in a household that was overcrowded but Uvalde has a population of just over 15,000 and is 85 miles from San Antonio, the nearest town of any size.

NO, that is NOT what I'm talking about.
It's the global psyche. It's a gestalt of worthlessness.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Population density in the US is lower than Europe. The issue is an 18 year who wasn't legally old enough to drink alcohol, could go in buy a pair of deadly weapons without a second thought from any regulatory board, about whether this particular person is fit to own weapons that can murder 18 children.

It is probably harder to fish in the State of Texas.

 

[abaddon]

It's the global psyche. It's a gestalt of worthlessness.

If you combine crowding with high-tech living, uprootedness, the lack of community regardless of close-living, an overly competitive social atmosphere... all of it can contribute to a problem in global human sanity and the gestalt of worthlessness. The manifestations might include mass killings but numerous other problems too. Not much in cultures is linear.

I wouldn't know how to go about demonstrating it. But if you want to pursue it, then maybe one place to start is psychological studies in how excess technology and the other ills of modern civilization disconnect people not just from nature but from a sense of themselves.

 

[Toni]

I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.

If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.

Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.

World population density includes places like Hong Kong and The Netherlands.

You are simply wrong here; It’s up to you how stupid you wish to appear clinging to this obvious error, but I would strongly advise bailing out of your untenable position earlier rather than later.

I’m not talking about carrying capacity, or how many cows Wyoming can support. I’m talking about global human sanity, which at some (past) point starts holding an inverse relationship to population.

I see your point--however one would expect violence, especially mass shootings to result as a DIRECT result of overcrowding/population density. We don't know who the shooter was, other than he was 18. It is possible that he lived in a household that was overcrowded but Uvalde has a population of just over 15,000 and is 85 miles from San Antonio, the nearest town of any size.

NO, that is NOT what I'm talking about.
It's the global psyche. It's a gestalt of worthlessness.

I'm sorry I misunderstood. I do understand and agree to the gestalt of worthlessness and hopelessness that seems to pervade.

Personally, I think in the US, we simply hate children.

 

[Elixir]

I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.

If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.

Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.

World population density includes places like Hong Kong and The Netherlands.

You are simply wrong here; It’s up to you how stupid you wish to appear clinging to this obvious error, but I would strongly advise bailing out of your untenable position earlier rather than later.

I’m not talking about carrying capacity, or how many cows Wyoming can support. I’m talking about global human sanity, which at some (past) point starts holding an inverse relationship to population.

I see your point--however one would expect violence, especially mass shootings to result as a DIRECT result of overcrowding/population density. We don't know who the shooter was, other than he was 18. It is possible that he lived in a household that was overcrowded but Uvalde has a population of just over 15,000 and is 85 miles from San Antonio, the nearest town of any size.

NO, that is NOT what I'm talking about.
It's the global psyche. It's a gestalt of worthlessness.

I'm sorry I misunderstood. I do understand and agree to the gestalt of worthlessness and hopelessness that seems to pervade

I think few would disagree. The causal connection to shit like continual mass shootings in the USA is tenuous on the surface, but I feel it has everything to do with it.

 

[ZiprHead]

The progressive mantra is we are going to treat all as a mental problem and treat our way out of the crisis.

I'd like some citations for that, especially considering that the RW is blaming the shootings like Buffalo on mental health issues.

 

[Hermit]

...one would expect violence, especially mass shootings to result as a DIRECT result of overcrowding/population density.

One would not. I provided empirical evidence to the contrary in this post. Hong Kong is not exceptional either. In fact, the US tops the incidence of mass shootings regardless of population density of any other country on this planet.

 

[Ford]

I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.

If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.

Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.

World population density includes places like Hong Kong and The Netherlands.

You are simply wrong here; It’s up to you how stupid you wish to appear clinging to this obvious error, but I would strongly advise bailing out of your untenable position earlier rather than later.

I’m not talking about carrying capacity, or how many cows Wyoming can support. I’m talking about global human sanity, which at some (past) point starts holding an inverse relationship to population.

I see your point--however one would expect violence, especially mass shootings to result as a DIRECT result of overcrowding/population density. We don't know who the shooter was, other than he was 18. It is possible that he lived in a household that was overcrowded but Uvalde has a population of just over 15,000 and is 85 miles from San Antonio, the nearest town of any size.

NO, that is NOT what I'm talking about.
It's the global psyche. It's a gestalt of worthlessness.

I'm sorry I misunderstood. I do understand and agree to the gestalt of worthlessness and hopelessness that seems to pervade.

Personally, I think in the US, we simply hate children.

Thing is, the children (and their grieving families) don't have a rich and powerful lobby on their side.

The industry that manufactures and sells the instruments that were used to slaughter them? They do.

And while the parents of these children are trying to figure out how to wrap their minds around the fact that they'll have to have a funeral for their 4th grader, the NRA will be welcoming Republican Senators, Congressman, and a former President to their convention just down the road. The "dignitaries" will be staying in complementary hotel rooms that cost more per night than the room in the funeral home where the children will spend their last night above ground. While parents and siblings and friends and family are hugging each other at the service, politicians will be slapping each other on the back while cocktail waitresses serve them another round of drinks.

And while parents thank the friends and family that came to the funeral to try and provide some semblance of comfort, the politicians will be thanking the lobbyists for their "generous donation" to the cause of making sure that not a fucking thing is done about school shootings.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The progressive mantra is we are going to treat all as a mental problem and treat our way out of the crisis.

The progressive mantra would be to not allow mentally unwell people to have access to semi-automatic weapons. This won't solve all the world's ills, but it makes sense!

 

[Worldtraveller]

I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.

If you compare the population density in the US with most of the rest of the world, this theory falls apart completely.

Average population density includes places like Wyoming and Kansas.

World population density includes places like Hong Kong and The Netherlands.

You are simply wrong here; It’s up to you how stupid you wish to appear clinging to this obvious error, but I would strongly advise bailing out of your untenable position earlier rather than later.

I’m not talking about carrying capacity, or how many cows Wyoming can support. I’m talking about global human sanity, which at some (past) point starts holding an inverse relationship to population.

I see your point--however one would expect violence, especially mass shootings to result as a DIRECT result of overcrowding/population density. We don't know who the shooter was, other than he was 18. It is possible that he lived in a household that was overcrowded but Uvalde has a population of just over 15,000 and is 85 miles from San Antonio, the nearest town of any size.

NO, that is NOT what I'm talking about.
It's the global psyche. It's a gestalt of worthlessness.

I'm sorry I misunderstood. I do understand and agree to the gestalt of worthlessness and hopelessness that seems to pervade.

Personally, I think in the US, we simply hate children.

See, I hate children, but I don't want to actually kill them, so it's not that simple.

 

[ZiprHead]

There is a movement to have the bodies of these children actually shown on tv, show the actual carnage wrought by guns in the US. The anti-abortion forces does that. Emmitt Till's mother did it.

The point is to make it real to people, not just statistics.

 

[funinspace]

I think our current problem is mostly cultural.

I think it's genetic - a product of overpopulation-meets-technology.
I know a lot of people who will start in on the vast theoretical "carrying capacity" of the earth at the first mention of overpopulation. But my definition has nothing to do with carrying capacity. It's about sustainable quality of life.

I think you are both crazy.

Other places have American movies and entertainment. Other places have higher population densities.

Nowhere else has your daft second amendment, and nowhere else has significant numbers of school shootings.

It’s not fucking difficult to see where the problem comes from.

You repealed the eighteenth amendment; Now either repeal the second, or stop pretending to care.

Well, I stopped pretending that American's collectively cared one wit about senseless murders long ago.

And either way, stop looking for explanations that fly in the face of reality. Culture and population density my hairy arse. Get a fucking grip.

Yeah, Do You Feel Lucky

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

If you start with the UT tower gunman, and filter out every shooting since with less than 10 victims, this one puts Texas over 100 in the number of deaths from mass shootings.

Texas. A state trying to win the "most lax gun laws in the US" contest. Texas. A state whose Attorney General today said the real problem was that not enough people are armed.

Every god-fearing Texan will tell you that this would never have happened if the teacher had been armed. If you point out the obvious fact that the shooter would simply take out the teacher before they could unholster their weapon, they will tell you that this would never have happened if the kids had been armed. If you point out the obvious fact, etc., etc.

 

[Ford]

Side note:

Whenever one of these shootings happens, the gun crowd insists that the real problem is "mental health."

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that if I went to the NRA's website right now, I'd have to drill way down to find info about their hundred-million dollar plan to address the widespread problem of mental health in the US. The legislation they're proposing to address the issue. The staff of mental health professionals they've hired to craft their far-reaching effort. The outreach programs they've launched in schools. I'm sure they're working on all of this...aren't they?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

NRA has a convention in Houston this Friday. I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky they didn't move it to San Antonio right after the shooting. Sen. Corwyn won't be there... but that is because of a scheduling snaffu.

 

[steve_bank]

The progressive mantra is we are going to treat all as a mental problem and treat our way out of the crisis.

I'd like some citations for that, especially considering that the RW is blaming the shootings like Buffalo on mental health issues.

We hear it fro, our city council and mayor and county government all the time.

They refuse to acknowledge the serious anti police rhetoric from the city council had an impact on violent crime. Police resgund in large numbers and they have trouble finding applicants.

Violent crime with guns increased. A man was shot at when he confronted someone steling his catalytic converter.

Whatever the cuases of the violence reducing police exacerbates the problem.

If we have anoter hot summer we aint seen nothing yet.

On most issues the left and the right are equally impractical and mostly ideological.

The idea that stricter gun control laws will have any significant affect is nonsense. Remember the 'war on drugs' and how it failed miserably?

People want drugs and people want guns, we get what we get.

Our culture sensationalizes violence. Media, video games, music, and movies profit from it.

It is a cultural problem.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The progressive mantra is we are going to treat all as a mental problem and treat our way out of the crisis.

I'd like some citations for that, especially considering that the RW is blaming the shootings like Buffalo on mental health issues.

We hear it fro, our city council and mayor and county government all the time.

They refuse to acknowledge the serious anti police rhetoric from the city council had an impact on violent crime. Police resgund in large numbers and they have trouble finding applicants.

This thread is about a massacre at an elementary school, not about "defund the police". As best we can tell, the shooter was bullied and broken, and then, with the assistance of lenient Texas gun laws, got a couple guns and did some horrific stuff... and that has absolutely nothing to do with "defund the police". Please take the derail elsewhere.