Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[Loren Pechtel]

If you call the current situation fascist totalitarianism then you will not have a term to use for fascist totalitarianism if and when it actually arrives.

If for instance Congress were to enact an enabling law granting Trump unchecked power, or if Trump were to begin imprisoning people for expressing liberal political opinions publicly, we would be approaching fascism. But you would have no term for that which was more severe than the term you're using here. You have already ramped up your rhetoric as far as it can go.

We are describing the actual situation. The veneer he's so far maintaining on top of it doesn't change the actual situation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I take it you are even less interested in keeping up with the news than I am. This is happening.

There are an enormous number of people expressing liberal political opinions publicly without any repercussions at all. You can argue that Trump is doing some bad stuff, but it would be obvious to everyone if we lived in an actual fascist totalitarian state. If you have to tediously follow the news 24/7 to tell whether you live in a fascist totalitarian state, you don't.

Because he's maintaining an illusion that it's still a free society. It cuts down on the resistance.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It is very probable that Trump might not have even been elected if our government would have been functioning in some kind of basic manner in the first place. This was all totally predictable IMO. And the Dramacrats have no one to blame but themselves and their own poor performance with border patrol.

The lack of function you refer to was specifically at The Felon's behest--the Republicans were ensuring nothing got done.

 

[Elixir]

You can argue that Trump is doing some bad stuff, but it would be obvious to everyone if we lived in an actual fascist totalitarian state.

Apparently not to everyone.

If you have to tediously follow the news 24/7 to tell whether you live in a fascist totalitarian state, you don't.

If you never see any news at all, or you ignore what you see, then you need never admit that your personal experience might not be the sum total of all that is happening.

You mean somewhere in America, there are legal immigrants going through their days totally unconcerned with the possibility of being summarily “disappeared” for reasons totally beyond their control?
Well gobblessamurka!

 

[Politesse]

That does not seem possible, unless they are REALLY not paying attention to the news. If not even citizenship is protection against deportation and there is no trial or review, anyone with skin darker than Gloria Estefan is in constant danger of deportation and life imprisonment in a overseas concentration camp, at least until this government falls, and perhaps longer than that. We talk up Obama, but he never did anything for those indefinitely detained in overseas encampments either, nor any other Democrat. Supposed "party" affiliations notwithstanding, I am not sure our system's most persistent victims have any friends in power.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You say one has nothing to do with the other but it really does. The performance of Biden and the Dramacrats had everything to do with this. If Biden had done 1/10 of a job that Trump has done on border patrol, none of this drama would have needed come to pass. The criminals would not even be here to begin with so Auxlus would then have no tears to shed on their departure today.

Who was the president from 2021 to January 2025 again?

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Immigration Enforcement and Legal Processes Monthly Tables

Monthly immigration enforcement data. Includes encounters, arrests, book-outs, book-ins, detention, removals, returns, repatriations, credible fear, and parole.

ohss.dhs.gov

Is this another example of RVonse being led astray by the right-wing blowhards he listens to?

This proves nothing.

First, I don't trust their numbers, period. They have repeatedly demonstrated they don't know what they're counting.

Second, it could simply mean people are more careful about hiding.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Our fascist totalitarian overlords have failed to obtain Republican control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court. This is after great efforts by Elon Musk to win a seat there for a Republican candidate.

Wisconsin Supreme Court elections, 2025

Susan Crawford and Brad Schimel are running for a 10-year term on the Wisconsin Supreme Court on April 1, 2025 Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Edit: I see @Elixir has given this a "Like," so perhaps I should point out that I was being sarcastic. I do not think there would be free elections under a fascist totalitarian regime.

They aren't respecting what the courts say, thus they have no reason not to permit a free election of a justice. A veneer of democracy on top of totalitarianism.

 

[jonatha]

And in 2028 Vance will waltz in to the Whitehouse while you lot tie yourselves in knots about what a woman is.

While I doubt that there will be an election in 2028, I don't think Vance will be the person to follow Trump. I think the successor will have the last name of Trump.

I'm not that pessimistic. I think by 2028, even most MAGAs, especially the ones on SS or Medicaid/Medicare will be outraged by what their cult leader has done. The Red and purple states might try to suppress the vote, but if every single person votes, it will be hard to get another person like Trump elected. It will take time. It will take more outrage, but even Trump supporters are beginning to realize they made a big mistake. The only ones who remain will be the hard core cult members who care about nothing but eating the libs. Rolling over and giving up isn't going to help. I'm old and may not even be alive by 2028, but I hope those who are will fight, protest, refuse to allow the felon and the rat to continue to destroy the country.

Why do you think there will be a remotely honest election in 2028?

Because elections are controlled by the states

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think so. We are a republic of highly autonomous states.

It would be difficult for a Mussolini or a Hitler or Trump to take total power.

Trump is crazy and consumed with personal power, no doubt about that.

The framers of COTUS set up the balance of power to limit a Trump. For the balance of power to work congress has to reign in Trump.

As we know Republicans in congress tend to be scarred puppies when it comes to Trump, they fear hiscidnatiin and loss of voter support.

For the balance of power to work the majority of people in congress and SCOTUS have to beable to bot country over self interest.

The framers made a big mistake in putting all the physical power with the executive. There is no longer a balance of powers.

 

[TV and credit cards]

We’ll see if any would be Republican opponent(s) get arrested under dubious charges. Beyond that, though the sky may very well be falling, I think some people are prematurely fitting the situation to fit their assumptions.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

democrats done fucked up letting in 9m+ people.

And now we're collectively down 6 TRILLION and going down further in equity, because of your choice's "remedies".
We could have given every one of the 9m+ people A HALF MILLION DOLLARS EACH, and we'd be better off. They'd be better off. And we wouldn't be in an economic death spiral that began as soon as Trump's plans became clear. Once the effects of their actualization are felt, things will get scary. I advise hanging around Santa Monica and try not to make eye contact with anyone who might be ICE. They can fuck with you just to make quota, and you end up ruining your whole afternoon if you're white, and maybe your life if you're not. Keep those papers with you, anyhow.

No. If we had distributed that $6T the results would have been catastrophic as there wouldn't be $6T more goods/services to be purchased. The stock market is not a piggy bank that can be raided!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm seeing some signs of life that our collective immune system is beginning to kick in. Angry people flooding town halls. Huge turn out to the recent AOC/Bernie rallies. Honorable and excellent judges holding the line the best they can. Will it be enough? I don't know. But it is not yet time to admit defeat.

They don't matter. There are enough MAGAs that popular protest won't stop this. It has to be stopped by force an that force must come from inside the establishment (federal LEO, or even a military coup), as if it came from outside (any armed resistance group) it would turn into a bloody civil war and that would be jumping from the frying pan to the fire.

Congress is the only entity that has the power required to remove a President that tells SCOTUS to fuck off.

Of course, the question becomes if Trump is impeached (probably won't happen), does he have enough military support to wage a backup contingency plan.

Wouldn't take a military. He already controls federal law enforcement, he would just tell Congress to fuck off with their impeachment.

 

[Axulus]

Our Minister of Propaganda has an annoucement

 

[Axulus]

You say one has nothing to do with the other but it really does. The performance of Biden and the Dramacrats had everything to do with this. If Biden had done 1/10 of a job that Trump has done on border patrol, none of this drama would have needed come to pass. The criminals would not even be here to begin with so Auxlus would then have no tears to shed on their departure today.

Who was the president from 2021 to January 2025 again?

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Immigration Enforcement and Legal Processes Monthly Tables

Monthly immigration enforcement data. Includes encounters, arrests, book-outs, book-ins, detention, removals, returns, repatriations, credible fear, and parole.

ohss.dhs.gov

Is this another example of RVonse being led astray by the right-wing blowhards he listens to?

This proves nothing.

First, I don't trust their numbers, period. They have repeatedly demonstrated they don't know what they're counting.

Second, it could simply mean people are more careful about hiding.

But also they are just flat out violating the law by eliminating the asylum process that was passed by congress.

Additionally, is it surprising that terrorism works? The administration is engaging in lawless terrorism to scare would be migrants away.

Trump is also destroying the economy, so now there is even less incentive to cross the border to find work.

Trump killed the immigration bill last year because he knew Joe Biden would follow the law (and thus his numbers wouldn't look good from a propaganda standpoint) and Trump could care less about the law.

 

[Politesse]

Trump is also destroying the economy, so now there is even less incentive to cross the border to find work.

Even for legal immigrants. If you think it's hard to find a good dentist or eye doctor now, just wait until we have thoroughly disincentivized overseas talent from gracing our shores.

 

[KCFlyer]

Our Minister of Propaganda has an annoucement

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I don't know why I seem him in this picture

 

[ZiprHead]

Our Minister of Propaganda has an annoucement

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Pee Wee German.

 

[Shadowy Man]

You say one has nothing to do with the other but it really does. The performance of Biden and the Dramacrats had everything to do with this. If Biden had done 1/10 of a job that Trump has done on border patrol, none of this drama would have needed come to pass. The criminals would not even be here to begin with so Auxlus would then have no tears to shed on their departure today.

Who was the president from 2021 to January 2025 again?

View attachment 49914

Immigration Enforcement and Legal Processes Monthly Tables

Monthly immigration enforcement data. Includes encounters, arrests, book-outs, book-ins, detention, removals, returns, repatriations, credible fear, and parole.

ohss.dhs.gov

Is this another example of RVonse being led astray by the right-wing blowhards he listens to?

This proves nothing.

First, I don't trust their numbers, period. They have repeatedly demonstrated they don't know what they're counting.

Second, it could simply mean people are more careful about hiding.

If we assume this chart is accurate I note that Biden was President for all of 2024, the year that amounts to at least half of the drop.

 

[unapologetic]

Why do you want gangbangers and criminals to remain in the USA?

I am an atheist. I don't take MAGA claims on faith.
We must maintain the rule of law. Due Process. Innocence until proven guilty. But of course you Russians wouldn't know anything about that.

because they are afraid of being swept up!

Fear was Rump's plan all along.

I think the successor will have the last name of Trump.

Let's hope it's Ivanka Trump. The MAGAts will never vote for a woman.

Nothing to see here.

French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found

France’s research minister said the scientist was traveling to Houston for a conference when his phone was searched

www.theguardian.com

Is searching a phone without a warrant legal?

Because Eric Adams was in tears about how many billions of dollars these migrants were costing the city of New York.

Right. The guy Rump bought with a pardon, just so he could persicute migrants.

 

[unapologetic]

If you call the current situation fascist totalitarianism then you will not have a term to use for fascist totalitarianism if and when it actually arrives.

If for instance Congress were to enact an enabling law granting Trump unchecked power, or if Trump were to begin imprisoning people for expressing liberal political opinions publicly, we would be approaching fascism. But you would have no term for that which was more severe than the term you're using here. You have already ramped up your rhetoric as far as it can go.

You think there is a definitive line? I think we have already crossed it.
Screw the rhetoric. Time for action.

So it's legal to assassinate The Felon??

Well, death is the sentence for treason.
Put me on the assassin's jury. I'd vote to acquit.

It is very probable that Trump might not have even been elected if our government would have been functioning in some kind of basic manner in the first place. This was all totally predictable IMO. And the Dramacrats have no one to blame but themselves and their own poor performance with border patrol.

The lack of function you refer to was specifically at The Felon's behest--the Republicans were ensuring nothing got done.

The Dems presented a bill to strengthen the border. The Repugs stalled hoping Rump would be elected and they could take the credit.

Because elections are controlled by the states

Did you see the last election? Repugs control most states.