At what margin of electoral defeat will Trump be forced to admit defeat?

[fromderinside]

A loss by one electoral vote brought in by a state where the winner was determined by one vote. Full stop.

Now THAT is really funny.

How about one vote confirmed by recount and court challenge rejection. Less funny?

Election acceptance isn't about funny. Election acceptance is about established and confirmed vote.

When Trump puts that "I won't accept it" gun to his head there isn't a chance that when he pulls the trigger it will blow him away. It will blow him away.

There won't be a revolution there will be a celebration.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas. He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification. He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

 

[Metaphor]

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas.

Is that non-peaceful?

He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification.

Is that non-peaceful?

He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

Um, okay. You believe the military, federal police, and state police will ignore an election outcome and support an illegal coup.

I am going to say this as politely as possible. Your thinking around this issue is deranged and delusional because you do not live in a country that would permit such a scandal.

 

[skepticalbip]

To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia (Kemp got 50.2% and Abrams got 48.8% of the vote).

 

[J842P]

To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia.

Probably run Colin Powell / Condoleezza Rice in 2024.

 

[southernhybrid]

So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas. He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification. He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

What evidence do you have that the military and the feds support Trump? If anything, I think those in the military who are in the highest ranks most likely despise Trump. And, while I'm not sure what you mean by the feds, the federal agencies most involved in law enforcement also despise him. He has criticized then FBI, the CIA and some other federal agencies as being part of the "Deep State". Why would you think they would support him?

IF Trump loses the election, even if he screams that it was rigged and unfair, stomps his feet like the child he is, and threatens to cause chaos, I have no doubt that he will be removed from office if he's foolish enough to try and stay. IF he loses the election, he will not be president after Jan. 20th. I do have worries that the Republicans will be able to suppress the vote, but that's a different problem.

But, don't forget that the election is run by the states, not the federal government. It would take widespread voter suppression in many swing states for it to be effective. Can that happen? I don't know. That is why it's vitally important to get out the vote.

IF Trump wins, there may be more civil unrest and such, but the US has a long history of civil unrest, riots, looting etc., so what else is new?

 

[Elixir]

Looked at a bit of the Trumpsucking ritual last night, it sure appears that the main objective is to set all their followers' hair on fire if "The Nigger Loving Socialist Drug Addicts" should win.
Almost like they believe they're going to lose, and want to make sure that America pays a super high price for rejecting His Orangeness.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Is that non-peaceful?



Is that non-peaceful?

He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

Um, okay. You believe the military, federal police, and state police will ignore an election outcome and support an illegal coup.

I am going to say this as politely as possible. Your thinking around this issue is deranged and delusional because you do not live in a country that would permit such a scandal.

I am going to say this as politely as possible. Your thinking is ignorant and completely focused on supporting bad people because you read weird anecdotes on the Internets. You don't know what is going on in my country right now because you are focused on what extreme people say about trans issues and other drama. Police, feds, and military are ALREADY supporting Trump's shenanigans. It's already happening.

 

[Gun Nut]

To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia (Kemp got 50.2% and Abrams got 48.8% of the vote).

They will impeach again.. this time on the 25th

 

[skepticalbip]

To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia (Kemp got 50.2% and Abrams got 48.8% of the vote).

They will impeach again.. this time on the 25th

Another impeachment is a possibility if the Democrats don't loose control of the house. But do they really want a president Mike Pence?

If by the 25th you mean removal using the 25th amendment then that isn't an impeachment. Also removal under the 25th amendment would be by the consensus of the VP and Trump's cabinet.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia (Kemp got 50.2% and Abrams got 48.8% of the vote).

Does Clinton say she was robbed? I will say the numbers in Michigan made no sense, with increased turnout in urban counties, but the turnout benefited third party candidates.

If Trump wins, America is potentially forkable, as in stick a fork in it, the ride of prosperity and democracy is over. It might be time to leave. It means 45+% of the nation will literally vote for a person like Donald Trump... a guy who's top accomplishment is judicial appointments and second best accomplishment is trolling. His re-election would mean the populace has been effectively brainwashed and there is no hope of getting things back. That Trump (the guy who bromanced with Kim JOng Un) will likely not lose in a 1988 style EV map could be signs that America is toast.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

"Please leave me out of this."

 

[Derec]

To flip this thread over, what will Democrats do if Trump wins?

Hillary still claims she was robbed and Tracy Abrams thinks she is governor of Georgia (Kemp got 50.2% and Abrams got 48.8% of the vote).

Probably burn down Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis and Kenosha. For starters,

 

[Metaphor]

So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

Let's say Trump loses the election. What is it, exactly, that you imagine he will do? Carry on and bluster that he was robbed? Sure. Do you think he will be let into the White House after Biden is sworn in? No, he won't.

Do you think Trump is going to raise a private army? This kind of delusionista fearmongering makes me sad about the absolute lack of faith some Americans seem to have in their own institutions.

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas. He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification. He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

The same military that hands out flyers suggesting that 'make america great again' is covert white supremacy.

 

[angelo]

The Left will cause a civil war should president Trump prevail in November. But here's David Horowitz who thinks he will, and by a surprising margin that leaves no room for any doubt.

https://maverickphilosopher.typepad...-blitz-trump-will-smash-the-left-and-win.html

 

[Jarhyn]

"to derail this thread so we can pound on conservative talking points..."

LOL...

I don't think any margin of defeat will force him to admit it. If it's within one or two percentage points, he will claim massive fraud happened, that it was rigged. If it is more, he will say "elections are always closer than a couple points these days, these numbers look entirely made up!"

There is no scenario of victory which he won't call into question.

He will be forced into defeat IFF the actual people of the United States drag him kicking and screaming out of the office. There will be no peaceful transition of power this time. He will not step down. And he will never admit he was wrong; that's not how narcissism works.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas. He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification. He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

The same military that hands out flyers suggesting that 'make america great again' is covert white supremacy.

As a reminder, when you start bitching about the military and their liberal policies... it is a great time to reflect just how skewed your worldview has become.

 

[Toni]

Why would he accept a loss, however outrageously obvious?

He loses nothing by rejecting the election results, and any possibility of gain is better than watching the entire internet turn into a 'YOU'RE FIRED!' meme assembly line.

I totally agree. Trump will die believing he won the 2020 election in a landslide, even if a few ragtag gangs of AR-wielding Nazi thugs terrorizing the city streets are his only evidence. And he will believe it whether he dies tomorrow or in thirty years.

Of course the Reality TV aspect of the whole thing will be ratings through the roof, a fabulous success by any Trump measure. Even pouring gasoline on the "you're fired" meme fire only contributes to ratings success. It will be incredible, amazing. You can't fire a success that big. In Trumpworld, nothing can go wrong. Ever.

I think he'll die claiming he won the 2020 election in a landslide...

 

[Bronzeage]

Wow, that argument is very ignorant. He can engage in 20 lawsuits in close areas. He can find or create ballot problems to eliminate valid votes or stall certification. He already has had minions reduce effectiveness of the mail-in ballot framework. With his billions of $ and executive control he can effectively change numbers and stall certification until he has his way. If there is enough popular support for his alleged victory, he can just stay in the White House. The military, feds, and police are on his side.

The same military that hands out flyers suggesting that 'make america great again' is covert white supremacy.

It's not all that covert. MAGA is white supremacy lite. Sort of a "tastes great, less filling white supremacy" specially formulated for white people who want someone else to do the really nasty things required to maintain supremacy. If you didn't get the memo, check your spam filter.

 

[Deepak]

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...wis-as-protests-continue-over-police-shooting