Biden Pardons Hunter

[Gospel]

People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, trespassing at the U.S. Capitol during an insurrection is definitely being in the wrong place at the wrong time. like slipping on a banana peel and sliding into a coup attempt.

 

[RVonse]

Personally I have mixed feeling over this. For those of you who do feel it is just to pardon Hunter you should be equally happy about Trump giving out any pardons for the Jan 6 rioters. Both examples are politically influenced prosecutions to a high degree. You should not agree with one without being in favor of the other

Bullshit.
The January 6 insurrection was an attack on the whole USA. The prosecutions, which there were far too few of, was my country protecting itself from violent enemies.
Nothing like the Hunter Biden prosecutions.
Tom

But many who have been charged have been waiting in prison without going to trial. People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, some guy from Montana just accidentally showed up in DC on a very specific day dressed in camo and carrying a Trump flag happened to be arrested and is being unfairly prosecuted. Really?

Really?

Hunter probably wasn't perfectly clean either. But the point to make is this. If both situations were normal and without political influence what would have happened? Hunter would have probably not been charged let alone convicted. And the rioters at the capital were have been charged and prosecuted more normally like other rioters in this country get justice.

 

[RVonse]

The pardon may not mean much since Trump can just reverse it in his next term. Yeah Biden has "immunity" now but so does Trump, so all that's going to happen is the pardon is going to be overridden because Trump will have absolute power and no one gives a shit.

A pardon can be reversed? I did not know that. How does that work if Hunters pardon is reversed by Trump? Does that mean Hunter is back into legal jeapordy again with his conviction?

Another question after reading this thread I am wondering about now. If a president pardons a family member for any and all crimes he could ever be charged with, what happens if Hunter goes out and kills someone? Can Hunter now break any and all laws and still stay out of prison?

No. Want to ask an intelligent question next?

If you don't know the answer then you should just say so.

I answered the question. "No" was the answer. You quoted it.

All 5 questions I asked are no? So GenesisNemesis is wrong then?

 

[RVonse]

People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, trespassing at the U.S. Capitol during an insurrection is definitely being in the wrong place at the wrong time. like slipping on a banana peel and sliding into a coup attempt.

I'm not saying there was not wrong doing. But the people charged with the wrong doing should get to go to trial just like we treat other criminals.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is a red herring as well. One can find flaws in the Hunter Biden pardon quite easily. And people could mistakeningly justify the pardon due to the know threat from Trump, all the while not needing to make a needless analogy

Personally I have mixed feeling over this. For those of you who do feel it is just to pardon Hunter you should be equally happy about Trump giving out any pardons for the Jan 6 rioters. Both examples are politically influenced prosecutions to a high degree. You should not agree with one without being in favor of the other

Bullshit.
The January 6 insurrection was an attack on the whole USA. The prosecutions, which there were far too few of, was my country protecting itself from violent enemies.
Nothing like the Hunter Biden prosecutions.
Tom

But many who have been charged have been waiting in prison without going to trial. People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, some guy from Montana just accidentally showed up in DC on a very specific day dressed in camo and carrying a Trump flag happened to be arrested and is being unfairly prosecuted. Really?

Really?

Hunter probably wasn't perfectly clean either. But the point to make is this. If both situations were normal and without political influence what would have happened?

How in the heck do you remove the political influence of a politically inspired riot at the US Capitol Building to inhibit a political event?!

RVonse just seems like he is trying to justify pardoning people who tried to stop an election from being registered after the candidate they supported told them the election was stolen and they needed to save our country.

 

[laughing dog]

The pardon may not mean much since Trump can just reverse it in his next term. Yeah Biden has "immunity" now but so does Trump, so all that's going to happen is the pardon is going to be overridden because Trump will have absolute power and no one gives a shit.

A pardon can be reversed? I did not know that. How does that work if Hunter's pardon is reversed by Trump? Does that mean Hunter is back into legal jeapordy again with his conviction?

Another question after reading this thread I am wondering about now. If a president pardons a family member for any and all crimes he could ever be charged with, what happens if Hunter goes out and kills someone? Can Hunter now break any and all laws and still stay out of prison?

Personally I have mixed feeling over this. For those of you who do feel it is proper to pardon Hunter you should be equally eager to see Trump giving out any pardons for the Jan 6 rioters. Because both are excellent examples of highly politically influenced prosecutions. One can not agree with one without being in favor of the other.

Of course human beings can prefer one and not the other. Not only are the two not exactly equivalent, but people are not required to be logically consistent.

While I think commuting the sentences and letting the conviction stand would have been a better option than a full pardon, this is really a nothing burger in my view.

 

[Angry Floof]

Biden sounds exactly like Trump.

Apparently the law does not sappy to all as Biden said of Trump and family.

When I said ijn the past Biden was as corrupt as any other politicians Biden suppresses shouted me down.

Hunter was clearly peddling political influence. As VP Biden called into a corporate meeting in Ukraine speakng to the people, Hunter being p[resent.

Hunter Biden's only qualification for his paid corporate position in Ukraine was being the son of Joe Biden.


Biden has opened the door wide for Trump to pardon anyone. He pardoned Hunter for any future uncharged crimes.

Fuck Biden, just another rich guy above the law. Despite his proclamations of rule of law he is as amoral as Trump.

What is the law that prevents pardoning family members?

it's a law that rump fans want to be put in place, but only AFTER king cheato pardons his relatives.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Press is going about this like it was Ford's pardon of Nixon!

 

[laughing dog]

People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, trespassing at the U.S. Capitol during an insurrection is definitely being in the wrong place at the wrong time. like slipping on a banana peel and sliding into a coup attempt.

I'm not saying there was not wrong doing. But the people charged with the wrong doing should get to go to trial just like we treat other criminals.

Do you know why they have not gone to trial yet?

 

[laughing dog]

The Press is going about this like it was Ford's pardon of Nixon!

Slow news day.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Personally I have mixed feeling over this. For those of you who do feel it is just to pardon Hunter you should be equally happy about Trump giving out any pardons for the Jan 6 rioters. Both examples are politically influenced prosecutions to a high degree. You should not agree with one without being in favor of the other

Bullshit.
The January 6 insurrection was an attack on the whole USA. The prosecutions, which there were far too few of, was my country protecting itself from violent enemies.
Nothing like the Hunter Biden prosecutions.
Tom

But many who have been charged have been waiting in prison without going to trial. People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Can you please give an example (preferably a news link) to an example of a person who wasn’t really doing anything but being there who has been arrested and is still awaiting trial almost four years later? This would be a serious affront to justice and I would like to know more about this. Thanks.

 

[Politesse]

He was never a man of principle, not even when he was young and certainly not in his dotage.

 

[Ford]

Personally I have mixed feeling over this. For those of you who do feel it is just to pardon Hunter you should be equally happy about Trump giving out any pardons for the Jan 6 rioters. Both examples are politically influenced prosecutions to a high degree. You should not agree with one without being in favor of the other

Bullshit.
The January 6 insurrection was an attack on the whole USA. The prosecutions, which there were far too few of, was my country protecting itself from violent enemies.
Nothing like the Hunter Biden prosecutions.
Tom

But many who have been charged have been waiting in prison without going to trial. People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, some guy from Montana just accidentally showed up in DC on a very specific day dressed in camo and carrying a Trump flag happened to be arrested and is being unfairly prosecuted. Really?

Really?

Hunter probably wasn't perfectly clean either. But the point to make is this. If both situations were normal and without political influence what would have happened? Hunter would have probably not been charged let alone convicted. And the rioters at the capital were have been charged and prosecuted more normally like other rioters in this country get justice.

Um...what?

Hunter was absolutely not perfectly clean. He was a political liability like Roger Clinton and Billy Carter before him. A guy with a substance abuse problem who made bad decisions but nonetheless got by on name recognition. Not exactly high crimes and misdemeanors.

The people who stormed the Capitol, beat cops on their way in, and paraded through the House and Senate chambers threatening to kill everyone were (I'm presuming) completely sober and went there with the intention of overthrowing the government to install their Dear Leader as a dictator.

These things are not the same. What part of this don't you understand?

 

[Politesse]

The Press is going about this like it was Ford's pardon of Nixon!

If he didn't want it to be a big deal, he shouldn't have made such a big deal about promising the press and the American public that he wasn't going to do this, then doing it anyway. That said, I do think there's a double standard at play, given that Trump overtly sells pardons en masse to his friends and underlings, a much more gross ethical violation.

I oppose "blank check" pardons on general principle, and wish the Supreme Court would step in on the matter. But of course, we barely have one at present.

 

[Ford]

The Press is going about this like it was Ford's pardon of Nixon!

Hey, don't try to pin that on me. That happened when I was still in middle school.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Press is going about this like it was Ford's pardon of Nixon!

If he didn't want it to be a big deal, he shouldn't have made such a big deal about promising the press and the American public that he wasn't going to do this, then doing it anyway. That said, I do think there's a double standard at play, given that Trump overtly sells pardons en masse to his friends and underlings, a much more gross ethical violation.

I oppose "blank check" pardons on general principle, and wish the Supreme Court would step in on the matter. But of course, we bsrely have one at present.

I really can't disagree with any of that. Of course, had Trump nominated some right-wing conservative but professional judge to be the Attorney General, maybe Biden doesn't press the panic button.

 

[Politesse]

Yeah. I'm not confident that kind of conservative has a place in Trump's second term government.

 

[TV and credit cards]

The pardon may not mean much since Trump can just reverse it in his next term. Yeah Biden has "immunity" now but so does Trump, so all that's going to happen is the pardon is going to be overridden because Trump will have absolute power and no one gives a shit.

As long as the pardon is delivered to Hunter, it's a done deal.

1. Under the constitution and laws of the United States, a pardon must “be regarded as a deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential. A pardon differs in that respect from a commission.
2. Until a pardon is delivered, it may be revoked.

CONSTITUTIONAL LAW—POWER OF THE PRESIDENT—REVOCATION OF PARDON—DELIVERY

 

[RVonse]

People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, trespassing at the U.S. Capitol during an insurrection is definitely being in the wrong place at the wrong time. like slipping on a banana peel and sliding into a coup attempt.

I'm not saying there was not wrong doing. But the people charged with the wrong doing should get to go to trial just like we treat other criminals.

Do you know why they have not gone to trial yet?

I'm not surprised you would not know about this. If you google for it there will be absolutely no results nor will you find it on any of the propoganda outlets either.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

People who were not really doing anything but being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, trespassing at the U.S. Capitol during an insurrection is definitely being in the wrong place at the wrong time. like slipping on a banana peel and sliding into a coup attempt.

I'm not saying there was not wrong doing. But the people charged with the wrong doing should get to go to trial just like we treat other criminals.

Do you know why they have not gone to trial yet?

I'm not surprised you would not know about this. If you google for it there will be absolutely no results nor will you find it on any of the propoganda outlets either.

Does the DoJ count?

Nearly all the remaining 126 defendants are on pretrial release while they are awaiting sentencing or pending trial. The limited number who are detained are generally charged with other felonies; serving sentences in other criminal matters; or have failed to comply with the terms of their pre-trial release.

So the next thing is, to demonstrate the detention isn't on fair grounds. No, Joe Rogan doesn't count as a source.