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Black Jogger Gunned Down In The Street

I am positive that Arbery did some illegal things sometime within the full range of a decade prior to McMichael murdering him. I am skeptical that each individual claim out of most of the claims in and of themselves is true and relevant to the defense's narrative.
  • So, for example, I am a little skeptical about the TV thing because having watched the video, there were 4 young guys who had gone to the store and a store owner accused them of attempting to steal the tv. It was a he-said, they-said situation--one of those kinds of things that had the identity politics been flipped the usual suspects upon seeing the video would be screaming, "they are just suspects!!11" In the video, I saw a presumption of guilt and treatment as if guilty, and I am very unsure how that led to a conviction. I have read that he pleaded guilty and I do wonder if that was related to having a public legal defender who had no time for the case and weighed risks of going through the trial, not being believed, and then getting a harsher penalty, versus an Alford plea to get merely probation. If the public legal defender has no real time for the case and the courts also have no time for the case--believe me the courts are overrun with cases and judges actually want pleas to happen to move things along in a partially broken system--the public defender sees this as a success, so does the judge, and so might a prosecutor.
  • Another story is there was a young African American guy who stole food from a convenience store a small number of times. The store clerk/owner swears it was Arbery upon seeing his face on tv. I am a bit skeptical that she has identified the right person.
  • For another case, they found a gun on Arbery in a school parking lot outside a basketball event. It happened. There were witnesses. There was a scuffle with police. Notice, though, it did not result in his death. No one tried to make the ridiculous argument he was trying to kill them. Just saying... It's been noted upthread that perhaps the gun was for protection. But clearly there was some kind of crime in having the gun on school grounds.

What is striking to me here is that these things are irrelevant to the terrible decisions that Travis McMichael made. The defense (and armchair defenders) tried to paint a picture of Arbery as a terribly dangerous person--a guy that never killed anyone--they claimed that his interactions with law enforcement showed he was violent--but not all of his interactions, in fact most of interactions and purported crimes were not violent--and the one that was, did not involve either attempted suicide by cop or trying a shootout, merely trying to get away and then using force to try to get away again, while the video of him with police in the tv incident shows absolutely no such thing. So bringing all this in to establish a pattern does not establish a pattern but especially not the pattern that the defense wanted to establish. It's an obfuscation because it is a high-level false caricature that upon detailed analysis fails but due to cultural stereotypes could have worked in theory in the jury room.

The focus ought to be on Travis McMichael, his actions, the decisions he chose, whether they were legal and reasonable. The actions were illegal. He made terrible decisions that resulted in death of a human being.

The goal in focusing on Arbery is to keep the focus off McMichael who bears responsibility for his deeds.
 
Gospel said:
I'm not surprised Don. The McMichael's have the privilege of not having angry old white people sifting through their background to decide whether or not they have the right to live.
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Where you wrote privilege, I would say absolute right and that absolute right to not have people sift through our backgrounds, looking for justification for being murdered—that is a right that all decent societies extend to all people—citizens or not.

Every one of us at some point in time has broken some law. May we never have our murderers and their defenders looking into our background to ferret out evidence of our past sins to justify taking our lives.
 
Toni said:
Gospel said:
I'm not surprised Don. The McMichael's have the privilege of not having angry old white people sifting through their background to decide whether or not they have the right to live.
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Where you wrote privilege, I would say absolute right and that absolute right to not have people sift through our backgrounds, looking for justification for being murdered—that is a right that all decent societies extend to all people—citizens or not.

Every one of us at some point in time has broken some law. May we never have our murderers and their defenders looking into our background to ferret out evidence of our past sins to justify taking our lives.
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I like to think that even if I ran over Hitler himself crossing the street to go give orders to kill a million babies or whatever, I am a base monster if I do not in fact know he his Hitler and kill him with gnostic intent for to save some babies.
 
Toni said:
Gospel said:
I'm not surprised Don. The McMichael's have the privilege of not having angry old white people sifting through their background to decide whether or not they have the right to live.
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Where you wrote privilege, I would say absolute right and that absolute right to not have people sift through our backgrounds, looking for justification for being murdered—that is a right that all decent societies extend to all people—citizens or not.

Every one of us at some point in time has broken some law. May we never have our murderers and their defenders looking into our background to ferret out evidence of our past sins to justify taking our lives.
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And many people don't respect that right when the suspect IS black. They reserve that right for white people for a reason specific to white people making it special. So again the McMichael's had the privilege of not having that right violated. If I recall correctly the judge didn't even have to consider waiving that right for the defendant but had to decide to uphold it for the dead guy.

Edit: to be specific I don't actually mean to claim members of this forum actually violated anyone's rights in actual legal terms because it's just opinion sharing but that they have no respect for it when the suspect is black. It's just a common thing to do to judge what kind of person was killed based on their past rather than the immediate cause of death.
 
Jarhyn said:
Toni said:
Gospel said:
I'm not surprised Don. The McMichael's have the privilege of not having angry old white people sifting through their background to decide whether or not they have the right to live.
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Where you wrote privilege, I would say absolute right and that absolute right to not have people sift through our backgrounds, looking for justification for being murdered—that is a right that all decent societies extend to all people—citizens or not.

Every one of us at some point in time has broken some law. May we never have our murderers and their defenders looking into our background to ferret out evidence of our past sins to justify taking our lives.
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I like to think that even if I ran over Hitler himself crossing the street to go give orders to kill a million babies or whatever, I am a base monster if I do not in fact know he his Hitler and kill him with gnostic intent for to save some babies.
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But you wouldn’t have to dig up or inflate Hitter’s crimes.

I really don’t believe that capital punishment is moral—but encountering Hitler would indeed put my dedication to my moral resolve to a very strenuous test.
 
Toni said:
Jarhyn said:
Toni said:
Gospel said:
I'm not surprised Don. The McMichael's have the privilege of not having angry old white people sifting through their background to decide whether or not they have the right to live.
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Where you wrote privilege, I would say absolute right and that absolute right to not have people sift through our backgrounds, looking for justification for being murdered—that is a right that all decent societies extend to all people—citizens or not.

Every one of us at some point in time has broken some law. May we never have our murderers and their defenders looking into our background to ferret out evidence of our past sins to justify taking our lives.
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I like to think that even if I ran over Hitler himself crossing the street to go give orders to kill a million babies or whatever, I am a base monster if I do not in fact know he his Hitler and kill him with gnostic intent for to save some babies.
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But you wouldn’t have to dig up or inflate Hitter’s crimes.

I really don’t believe that capital punishment is moral—but encountering Hitler would indeed put my dedication to my moral resolve to a very strenuous test.
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It doesn't matter whether they keep a bulleted list of all their crimes in their breast pocket, and it includes shooting JFK and buggering the reader's father.

Unless the driver of the car is psychic; or I guess unless the racist guy driving the truck is psychic, it doesn't matter.

It's easy to dig up dirt.

We all stand on a giant mound of it and when we are a corpse anyone could be buried under that dirt.

The dirt does not matter when the person is unaware of what it is, or merely assumes it's shape and existence, or assumes that it means more than it does.

The reaction I hear here from those attempting to hand wave away a prosecution reminds me of a song I just heard in Le Mis, where this constabulary fuckbean is singinging on about hell and fire and the sword for a fugitive... Who stole a goddamn load of bread.

Yes, I expect you to let the person run the fuck away, even if he has arms full of stolen junk. Maybe tail them at a distance and report the location to cops live on the phone?

But these are not the actions of the sort of people we let be free.
 
**UPDATE**

All 3 white men convicted of Ahmaud Arbery's murder are sentenced to life in prison

Travis and Greg McMichael, who were convicted of murdering Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia, have been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. William "Roddie" Bryan, who was also convicted in the case, was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole — meaning he must serve at least 30 years before he's eligible for release.
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That's more than I was expecting but IMO it's appropriate. Arbery's death was more like a lynching than a crime of passion.

Just before Walmsley delivered the sentence, he repeated the defendants' own words — what he called the "narrative" that Greg McMichael sought to establish about Arbery, including his repeated use of profanities to discuss the young man, even as he said he had no proof that Arbery had done anything wrong.

Arbery "was hunted down and shot," Walmsley said. And then the men who did it turned their backs and walked away, he added.
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This seems appropriate. The men are a danger to society.
 
Life without parole seems harsh and politically motivated to satisfy the mob. Once the msm lose interest this will be revised and changed to something more appropriate.
 
I was relieved at the verdict …and I confess that I have mixed feelings about the sentences. Relief, for certain. I see the sense in life without parole and the father/son clearly played a larger role than their friend. I see the justice. And I cannot help but mourn 4 lives destroyed by rank racism and whatever insanity has gripped so many rolls who feel the need and justification to run around with loaded guns and play vigilante.

It is indeed difficult to lay claim to being the land of the free or the home of the brave.
 
TSwizzle said:
Life without parole seems harsh and politically motivated to satisfy the mob. Once the msm lose interest this will be revised and changed to something more appropriate.
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More appropriate? Change the pigmentation of the skin and you’d be hollering for the death penalty.
 
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