Breakdown In Civil Order

[thebeave]

One thing's for certain, cisgender men pretending to be transgender women to sneak into female-only spaces and cause trouble is a myth. Nah, scratch that— It hasn't even been around long enough to be considered a traditional story. It's just plain ol' bullshit.

I think you underestimate the depraved depths that some men will go to get a look at some female skin. I recall a few years ago that a man put on a wet suit and hid in the "vault" (yes, that's what they call it!) of a campground port-a-potty to watch the women sitting down on the can. If someone will go through that much trouble, I don't find it hard to believe that some pervo will pretend to be a transwoman to check some women out in a bathroom or gym locker room.

That is not a cisgender male pretending to be transgender.

Edit: That's your Imagination.

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy. If you're so determined to be pervy, dressing up as a woman is probably one of the easier ways to do it (unless you're built like The Rock). Its also quite a stretch to call it a myth or "plain ol' bullshit. There have been a number of cases of men entering female spaces (including female prisons) who clearly were pretending to be transgender so they could have access to females. There have been other cases where the motive is less cut and dry.

 

[Gospel]

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy.

It's not irrelevant. I'm essentially asking you, given your strong feelings and compelling evidence, to present a case where something like this has occurred. Then, demonstrate how it's a widespread issue that warrants significant concern and the allocation of resources to address it.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, I'm referring to cisgender males pretending to be transgender women to gain access to women's spaces.

 

[Gospel]

One thing's for certain, cisgender men pretending to be transgender women to sneak into female-only spaces and cause trouble is a myth. Nah, scratch that— It hasn't even been around long enough to be considered a traditional story. It's just plain ol' bullshit.

On the other hand, men pretending to be women has a long history. Monty Python, Queen's "I want to break free", Nuns on the Run, Sorority Boys, White Chicks, Tyler Perry's entire oeuvre ...

Agreed, we should be on high alert for divorced dads dressing up as elderly British nannies to spend time with their kids, girls pretending to be boys to play on male sports teams & male actors disguising themselves as women to get roles in soap operas.

Just because something happens in a movie doesn't mean it's a common or real-world problem. Policies and concerns should be based on evidence and reality, not on hypothetical scenarios from your ...

 

[Jarhyn]

One thing's for certain, cisgender men pretending to be transgender women to sneak into female-only spaces and cause trouble is a myth. Nah, scratch that— It hasn't even been around long enough to be considered a traditional story. It's just plain ol' bullshit.

On the other hand, men pretending to be women has a long history. Monty Python, Queen's "I want to break free", Nuns on the Run, Sorority Boys, White Chicks, Tyler Perry's entire oeuvre ...

Agreed, we should be on high alert for divorced dads dressing up as elderly British nannies to spend time with their kids, girls pretending to be boys to play on male sports teams & male actors disguising themselves as women to get roles in soap operas.

Just because something happens in a movie doesn't mean it's a common or real-world problem. Policies and concerns should be based on evidence and reality, not on hypothetical scenarios from your ...

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I do find it fairly hilarious that someone would rather put on a rubber suit and respirator and wade in a literal vault of shit rather than doing the much easier thing of just joining a scat fetish group and buying a glass table... Or just googling glass table porn.

I find it disturbing and quite funny that men are, in fact, more likely to do that (sit in a vat of shit) than to do as Derec suggests and dress up as women, but the reality is that cross dressing doesn't afford such access and requires actually being expected to understand and listen to women talking about their feelings... It's got all of the emotional costs and none of the sexual benefits that are presumed by people.

 

[thebeave]

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy.

It's not irrelevant. I'm essentially asking you, given your strong feelings and compelling evidence, to present a case where something like this has occurred. Then, demonstrate how it's a widespread issue that warrants significant concern and the allocation of resources to address it.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, I'm referring to cisgender males pretending to be transgender women to gain access to women's spaces.

OK, here ya go. An article from 10 days ago in my state:

3rd-strike 'trans' rape suspect prompts rebellion against CA law after attack in women's prison

A transgender-identified California convict with a lengthy record of criminal violence has been transferred out of a women's correctional facility and back to a men's prison after being indicted for rape.

Tremaine "Tremayne" Deon Carroll, 51, is an incarcerated biological male who identifies as a woman and faces two charges of forcible rape and one of "dissuading a witness from testifying" in Madera County, according to a criminal complaint first obtained by the website 4W, and later reported by Reduxx.

One of the alleged victims of the Jan. 30 incident is a biological female, identified as Jane Doe in court documents, who said Carroll attacked her in the shower at the Central California Women’s Facility and raped her. The complaint also mentions another unidentified victim. Carroll has since been transferred to Kern Valley State Prison, a male-only facility in Delano, online records show.

Women's rights activists tell Fox News Digital that Carroll, who was the public face of a campaign to support California law SB 132, which allows transgender prisoners to be housed in a facility consistent with their gender identity, is a case in point why the law harms incarcerated women.

"Previous to SB 132, biological male inmates were allowed to, on a case-by-case individualized basis, be placed in women's facilities. But not if they hadn't had surgery, and it was always very individualized. What the bill did, what SB 132 did is it took away all of that safeguarding," said Lauren Bone, legal director of the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF).

.

Amie Ichikawa, founder and executive director of Women II Women and a former inmate who has closely followed Carroll's case, told Fox News Digital there is no history of Carroll identifying as any kind of LGBTQ+ person until SB 132 passed.

In several complaints reported by Reduxx, Carroll uses he/him pronouns to refer to himself and does not mention his gender identity or sexuality. It wasn't until 2021, three months after the Democrat-controlled California legislature passed SB 132, that he began to identify as a trans woman.

 

[thebeave]

One thing's for certain, cisgender men pretending to be transgender women to sneak into female-only spaces and cause trouble is a myth. Nah, scratch that— It hasn't even been around long enough to be considered a traditional story. It's just plain ol' bullshit.

On the other hand, men pretending to be women has a long history. Monty Python, Queen's "I want to break free", Nuns on the Run, Sorority Boys, White Chicks, Tyler Perry's entire oeuvre ...

Agreed, we should be on high alert for divorced dads dressing up as elderly British nannies to spend time with their kids, girls pretending to be boys to play on male sports teams & male actors disguising themselves as women to get roles in soap operas.

Just because something happens in a movie doesn't mean it's a common or real-world problem. Policies and concerns should be based on evidence and reality, not on hypothetical scenarios from your ...

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I do find it fairly hilarious that someone would rather put on a rubber suit and respirator and wade in a literal vault of shit rather than doing the much easier thing of just joining a scat fetish group and buying a glass table... Or just googling glass table porn.

I find it disturbing and quite funny that men are, in fact, more likely to do that (sit in a vat of shit) than to do as Derec suggests and dress up as women, but the reality is that cross dressing doesn't afford such access and requires actually being expected to understand and listen to women talking about their feelings... It's got all of the emotional costs and none of the sexual benefits that are presumed by people.

This event happened, as I recall, around the time the internet was just taking off, if not before. So, no googling for online scat fetish groups or "glass table porn" (whatever that is) back then. I'm not even sure he had a scat fetish. Seems like a wetsuit to protect himself is evidence of that, no? I'll see if I can find a news account of it.

And who claimed that sitting in a vat of shit was more common than dressing up as a woman? I imagine its far, far less common. I was merely using it as an extreme example of how desperate some men can become to check out women.

 

[Jarhyn]

One thing's for certain, cisgender men pretending to be transgender women to sneak into female-only spaces and cause trouble is a myth. Nah, scratch that— It hasn't even been around long enough to be considered a traditional story. It's just plain ol' bullshit.

On the other hand, men pretending to be women has a long history. Monty Python, Queen's "I want to break free", Nuns on the Run, Sorority Boys, White Chicks, Tyler Perry's entire oeuvre ...

Agreed, we should be on high alert for divorced dads dressing up as elderly British nannies to spend time with their kids, girls pretending to be boys to play on male sports teams & male actors disguising themselves as women to get roles in soap operas.

Just because something happens in a movie doesn't mean it's a common or real-world problem. Policies and concerns should be based on evidence and reality, not on hypothetical scenarios from your ...

View attachment 46413

I do find it fairly hilarious that someone would rather put on a rubber suit and respirator and wade in a literal vault of shit rather than doing the much easier thing of just joining a scat fetish group and buying a glass table... Or just googling glass table porn.

I find it disturbing and quite funny that men are, in fact, more likely to do that (sit in a vat of shit) than to do as Derec suggests and dress up as women, but the reality is that cross dressing doesn't afford such access and requires actually being expected to understand and listen to women talking about their feelings... It's got all of the emotional costs and none of the sexual benefits that are presumed by people.

This event happened, as I recall, around the time the internet was just taking off, if not before. So, no googling for online scat fetish groups or "glass table porn" (whatever that is) back then. I'm not even sure he had a scat fetish. Seems like a wetsuit to protect himself is evidence of that, no? I'll see if I can find a news account of it.

And who claimed that sitting in a vat of shit was more common than dressing up as a woman? I imagine its far, far less common. I was merely using it as an extreme example of how desperate some men can become to check out women.

The statistics that say literally nobody is going to go through HRT and years of therapy to do that shit.

See also: https://www.theonion.com/trans-teen-hatches-nefarious-plot-to-undergo-years-of-m-1850433563

 

[scombrid]

I just got back from Mexico. Town hall is decorated for the entire month. They had a high school graduation in front of that back drop one evening. The next night they had a ceremony celebrating the navy. There was a drag show one night and it was almost entirely locals gathered in the square. Kids played basketball and skated around. Families piled onto their scooters and came to the square on Friday night for ice cream and live music. For all the cartel craziness in places they just aren’t worried about the things that aren’t dangerous.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy.

It's not irrelevant. I'm essentially asking you, given your strong feelings and compelling evidence, to present a case where something like this has occurred. Then, demonstrate how it's a widespread issue that warrants significant concern and the allocation of resources to address it.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, I'm referring to cisgender males pretending to be transgender women to gain access to women's spaces.

OK, here ya go. An article from 10 days ago in my state:

3rd-strike 'trans' rape suspect prompts rebellion against CA law after attack in women's prison

A transgender-identified California convict with a lengthy record of criminal violence has been transferred out of a women's correctional facility and back to a men's prison after being indicted for rape.

Tremaine "Tremayne" Deon Carroll, 51, is an incarcerated biological male who identifies as a woman and faces two charges of forcible rape and one of "dissuading a witness from testifying" in Madera County, according to a criminal complaint first obtained by the website 4W, and later reported by Reduxx.

One of the alleged victims of the Jan. 30 incident is a biological female, identified as Jane Doe in court documents, who said Carroll attacked her in the shower at the Central California Women’s Facility and raped her. The complaint also mentions another unidentified victim. Carroll has since been transferred to Kern Valley State Prison, a male-only facility in Delano, online records show.

Women's rights activists tell Fox News Digital that Carroll, who was the public face of a campaign to support California law SB 132, which allows transgender prisoners to be housed in a facility consistent with their gender identity, is a case in point why the law harms incarcerated women.

"Previous to SB 132, biological male inmates were allowed to, on a case-by-case individualized basis, be placed in women's facilities. But not if they hadn't had surgery, and it was always very individualized. What the bill did, what SB 132 did is it took away all of that safeguarding," said Lauren Bone, legal director of the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF).

.

Amie Ichikawa, founder and executive director of Women II Women and a former inmate who has closely followed Carroll's case, told Fox News Digital there is no history of Carroll identifying as any kind of LGBTQ+ person until SB 132 passed.

In several complaints reported by Reduxx, Carroll uses he/him pronouns to refer to himself and does not mention his gender identity or sexuality. It wasn't until 2021, three months after the Democrat-controlled California legislature passed SB 132, that he began to identify as a trans woman.

Why is it that these exceptions in cases with Transgenders (or alleged transgenders) are often used to support negation of larger policies, but if guns are used in a mass murder, that is clearly an exception and we don't need to mess with gun policy to restrict access to guns?

 

[scombrid]

They even seem to be trying to do elections better. Elections are on weekends. No booze for sale on Election Day. I know the cartels and corruption still fuck up a lot of things; protectionrackets, violence, etc… But now I wonder how multinational corporations are planning to fuck over the progress that is being made? That is the crazy thing, Mexico is progressing while we are racing backwards.

 

[scombrid]

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy.

It's not irrelevant. I'm essentially asking you, given your strong feelings and compelling evidence, to present a case where something like this has occurred. Then, demonstrate how it's a widespread issue that warrants significant concern and the allocation of resources to address it.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, I'm referring to cisgender males pretending to be transgender women to gain access to women's spaces.

OK, here ya go. An article from 10 days ago in my state:

3rd-strike 'trans' rape suspect prompts rebellion against CA law after attack in women's prison

A transgender-identified California convict with a lengthy record of criminal violence has been transferred out of a women's correctional facility and back to a men's prison after being indicted for rape.

Tremaine "Tremayne" Deon Carroll, 51, is an incarcerated biological male who identifies as a woman and faces two charges of forcible rape and one of "dissuading a witness from testifying" in Madera County, according to a criminal complaint first obtained by the website 4W, and later reported by Reduxx.

One of the alleged victims of the Jan. 30 incident is a biological female, identified as Jane Doe in court documents, who said Carroll attacked her in the shower at the Central California Women’s Facility and raped her. The complaint also mentions another unidentified victim. Carroll has since been transferred to Kern Valley State Prison, a male-only facility in Delano, online records show.

Women's rights activists tell Fox News Digital that Carroll, who was the public face of a campaign to support California law SB 132, which allows transgender prisoners to be housed in a facility consistent with their gender identity, is a case in point why the law harms incarcerated women.

"Previous to SB 132, biological male inmates were allowed to, on a case-by-case individualized basis, be placed in women's facilities. But not if they hadn't had surgery, and it was always very individualized. What the bill did, what SB 132 did is it took away all of that safeguarding," said Lauren Bone, legal director of the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF).

.

Amie Ichikawa, founder and executive director of Women II Women and a former inmate who has closely followed Carroll's case, told Fox News Digital there is no history of Carroll identifying as any kind of LGBTQ+ person until SB 132 passed.

In several complaints reported by Reduxx, Carroll uses he/him pronouns to refer to himself and does not mention his gender identity or sexuality. It wasn't until 2021, three months after the Democrat-controlled California legislature passed SB 132, that he began to identify as a trans woman.

Why is it that these exceptions in cases with Transgenders (or alleged transgenders) are often used to support negation of larger policies, but if guns are used in a mass murder, that is clearly an exception and we don't need to mess with gun policy to restrict access to guns?

Why indeed.

 

[thebeave]

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy.

It's not irrelevant. I'm essentially asking you, given your strong feelings and compelling evidence, to present a case where something like this has occurred. Then, demonstrate how it's a widespread issue that warrants significant concern and the allocation of resources to address it.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, I'm referring to cisgender males pretending to be transgender women to gain access to women's spaces.

OK, here ya go. An article from 10 days ago in my state:

3rd-strike 'trans' rape suspect prompts rebellion against CA law after attack in women's prison

A transgender-identified California convict with a lengthy record of criminal violence has been transferred out of a women's correctional facility and back to a men's prison after being indicted for rape.

Tremaine "Tremayne" Deon Carroll, 51, is an incarcerated biological male who identifies as a woman and faces two charges of forcible rape and one of "dissuading a witness from testifying" in Madera County, according to a criminal complaint first obtained by the website 4W, and later reported by Reduxx.

One of the alleged victims of the Jan. 30 incident is a biological female, identified as Jane Doe in court documents, who said Carroll attacked her in the shower at the Central California Women’s Facility and raped her. The complaint also mentions another unidentified victim. Carroll has since been transferred to Kern Valley State Prison, a male-only facility in Delano, online records show.

Women's rights activists tell Fox News Digital that Carroll, who was the public face of a campaign to support California law SB 132, which allows transgender prisoners to be housed in a facility consistent with their gender identity, is a case in point why the law harms incarcerated women.

"Previous to SB 132, biological male inmates were allowed to, on a case-by-case individualized basis, be placed in women's facilities. But not if they hadn't had surgery, and it was always very individualized. What the bill did, what SB 132 did is it took away all of that safeguarding," said Lauren Bone, legal director of the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF).

.

Amie Ichikawa, founder and executive director of Women II Women and a former inmate who has closely followed Carroll's case, told Fox News Digital there is no history of Carroll identifying as any kind of LGBTQ+ person until SB 132 passed.

In several complaints reported by Reduxx, Carroll uses he/him pronouns to refer to himself and does not mention his gender identity or sexuality. It wasn't until 2021, three months after the Democrat-controlled California legislature passed SB 132, that he began to identify as a trans woman.

Why is it that these exceptions in cases with Transgenders (or alleged transgenders) are often used to support negation of larger policies, but if guns are used in a mass murder, that is clearly an exception and we don't need to mess with gun policy to restrict access to guns?

I don't know. Maybe you should ask someone who "doesn't want to mess with gun policy to restrict access to guns" why that is?

 

[thebeave]

One thing's for certain, cisgender men pretending to be transgender women to sneak into female-only spaces and cause trouble is a myth. Nah, scratch that— It hasn't even been around long enough to be considered a traditional story. It's just plain ol' bullshit.

On the other hand, men pretending to be women has a long history. Monty Python, Queen's "I want to break free", Nuns on the Run, Sorority Boys, White Chicks, Tyler Perry's entire oeuvre ...

Agreed, we should be on high alert for divorced dads dressing up as elderly British nannies to spend time with their kids, girls pretending to be boys to play on male sports teams & male actors disguising themselves as women to get roles in soap operas.

Just because something happens in a movie doesn't mean it's a common or real-world problem. Policies and concerns should be based on evidence and reality, not on hypothetical scenarios from your ...

View attachment 46413

I do find it fairly hilarious that someone would rather put on a rubber suit and respirator and wade in a literal vault of shit rather than doing the much easier thing of just joining a scat fetish group and buying a glass table... Or just googling glass table porn.

I find it disturbing and quite funny that men are, in fact, more likely to do that (sit in a vat of shit) than to do as Derec suggests and dress up as women, but the reality is that cross dressing doesn't afford such access and requires actually being expected to understand and listen to women talking about their feelings... It's got all of the emotional costs and none of the sexual benefits that are presumed by people.

This event happened, as I recall, around the time the internet was just taking off, if not before. So, no googling for online scat fetish groups or "glass table porn" (whatever that is) back then. I'm not even sure he had a scat fetish. Seems like a wetsuit to protect himself is evidence of that, no? I'll see if I can find a news account of it.

And who claimed that sitting in a vat of shit was more common than dressing up as a woman? I imagine its far, far less common. I was merely using it as an extreme example of how desperate some men can become to check out women.

The statistics that say literally nobody is going to go through HRT and years of therapy to do that shit.

See also: https://www.theonion.com/trans-teen-hatches-nefarious-plot-to-undergo-years-of-m-1850433563

Who said anything about going through HRT or therapy? You don't need to go that far these days to meet the criteria for being trans. You just have to say you are, and that's good enough for a lot of situations (including getting housed in female CA prisons, like in my example).

 

[Gospel]

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy.

It's not irrelevant. I'm essentially asking you, given your strong feelings and compelling evidence, to present a case where something like this has occurred. Then, demonstrate how it's a widespread issue that warrants significant concern and the allocation of resources to address it.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, I'm referring to cisgender males pretending to be transgender women to gain access to women's spaces.

OK, here ya go. An article from 10 days ago in my state:

3rd-strike 'trans' rape suspect prompts rebellion against CA law after attack in women's prison

A transgender-identified California convict with a lengthy record of criminal violence has been transferred out of a women's correctional facility and back to a men's prison after being indicted for rape.

Tremaine "Tremayne" Deon Carroll, 51, is an incarcerated biological male who identifies as a woman and faces two charges of forcible rape and one of "dissuading a witness from testifying" in Madera County, according to a criminal complaint first obtained by the website 4W, and later reported by Reduxx.

One of the alleged victims of the Jan. 30 incident is a biological female, identified as Jane Doe in court documents, who said Carroll attacked her in the shower at the Central California Women’s Facility and raped her. The complaint also mentions another unidentified victim. Carroll has since been transferred to Kern Valley State Prison, a male-only facility in Delano, online records show.

Women's rights activists tell Fox News Digital that Carroll, who was the public face of a campaign to support California law SB 132, which allows transgender prisoners to be housed in a facility consistent with their gender identity, is a case in point why the law harms incarcerated women.

"Previous to SB 132, biological male inmates were allowed to, on a case-by-case individualized basis, be placed in women's facilities. But not if they hadn't had surgery, and it was always very individualized. What the bill did, what SB 132 did is it took away all of that safeguarding," said Lauren Bone, legal director of the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF).

.

Amie Ichikawa, founder and executive director of Women II Women and a former inmate who has closely followed Carroll's case, told Fox News Digital there is no history of Carroll identifying as any kind of LGBTQ+ person until SB 132 passed.

In several complaints reported by Reduxx, Carroll uses he/him pronouns to refer to himself and does not mention his gender identity or sexuality. It wasn't until 2021, three months after the Democrat-controlled California legislature passed SB 132, that he began to identify as a trans woman.

Just so I have this straight, you believe that Carroll is a cisgender male who intentionally committed crimes to get imprisoned in a male prison. Then, while claiming abuse by correctional officers there, this individual not only became an advocate for a new law (despite one already existing) but also became the face of it, drawing even more attention to himself, to make it easier for transgender women to be moved to women's facilities. Once this cisgender male, pretending to be a transgender female, gets transferred, he files a lawsuit against the correctional officers in the women’s facility for abuse. Then, amidst this legal battle (which likely brought unwanted attention to him), he decided that it was the right time to rape women? Does that not sound completely absurd to you?

I mean, it's possible, but you have to admit, it's an extremely unique case.

 

[bilby]

you have to admit, it's an extremely unique case.

"Unique" literally means "the only one of its kind". It is by definition superlative, and therefore cannot take modifiers such as "extremely" (or "fairly", "very", "somewhat", etc., etc.).

Nobody ever has to admit that anything is "extremely the only one of its kind".

I am left wondering what you thought the word "unique" meant. Did you think it was a mere synonym of "unusual"? If so, why not just say "extremely unusual"?

 

[Gospel]

Out of all that, you think my use of "extremely unique" is the problem?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Out of all that, you think my use of "extremely unique" is the problem?

He must agree with the rest.

 

[thebeave]

That's kind of irrelevent to my point, though. My point was that men (males who identify as men...aka cisgender men) will go to great lengths to act pervy.

It's not irrelevant. I'm essentially asking you, given your strong feelings and compelling evidence, to present a case where something like this has occurred. Then, demonstrate how it's a widespread issue that warrants significant concern and the allocation of resources to address it.

Edit: And in case you've forgotten, I'm referring to cisgender males pretending to be transgender women to gain access to women's spaces.

OK, here ya go. An article from 10 days ago in my state:

3rd-strike 'trans' rape suspect prompts rebellion against CA law after attack in women's prison

A transgender-identified California convict with a lengthy record of criminal violence has been transferred out of a women's correctional facility and back to a men's prison after being indicted for rape.

Tremaine "Tremayne" Deon Carroll, 51, is an incarcerated biological male who identifies as a woman and faces two charges of forcible rape and one of "dissuading a witness from testifying" in Madera County, according to a criminal complaint first obtained by the website 4W, and later reported by Reduxx.

One of the alleged victims of the Jan. 30 incident is a biological female, identified as Jane Doe in court documents, who said Carroll attacked her in the shower at the Central California Women’s Facility and raped her. The complaint also mentions another unidentified victim. Carroll has since been transferred to Kern Valley State Prison, a male-only facility in Delano, online records show.

Women's rights activists tell Fox News Digital that Carroll, who was the public face of a campaign to support California law SB 132, which allows transgender prisoners to be housed in a facility consistent with their gender identity, is a case in point why the law harms incarcerated women.

"Previous to SB 132, biological male inmates were allowed to, on a case-by-case individualized basis, be placed in women's facilities. But not if they hadn't had surgery, and it was always very individualized. What the bill did, what SB 132 did is it took away all of that safeguarding," said Lauren Bone, legal director of the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF).

.

Amie Ichikawa, founder and executive director of Women II Women and a former inmate who has closely followed Carroll's case, told Fox News Digital there is no history of Carroll identifying as any kind of LGBTQ+ person until SB 132 passed.

In several complaints reported by Reduxx, Carroll uses he/him pronouns to refer to himself and does not mention his gender identity or sexuality. It wasn't until 2021, three months after the Democrat-controlled California legislature passed SB 132, that he began to identify as a trans woman.

Just so I have this straight, you believe that Carroll is a cisgender male who intentionally committed crimes to get imprisoned in a male prison. Then, while claiming abuse by correctional officers there, this individual not only became an advocate for a new law (despite one already existing) but also became the face of it, drawing even more attention to himself, to make it easier for transgender women to be moved to women's facilities. Once this cisgender male, pretending to be a transgender female, gets transferred, he files a lawsuit against the correctional officers in the women’s facility for abuse. Then, amidst this legal battle (which likely brought unwanted attention to him), he decided that it was the right time to rape women? Does that not sound completely absurd to you?

I mean, it's possible, but you have to admit, it's an extremely unique case.

Ugh. I don't think you are interpreting the sequence of events properly, but I don't have time to get into it. Work calls.

 

[Gospel]

Hmm well I suppose I owe bibly and explanation. When I said "extremely unique," I meant to emphasize the degree of peculiarity. For example, a man who steals a car to return it immediately to the owner is unique, but a man who steals a car to return it to himself is strangely unique. Or in my words, taking unique to the extreme. Sure, there are better ways to phrase it, but I chose to say it in my own way.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why is it that these exceptions in cases with Transgenders (or alleged transgenders) are often used to support negation of larger policies, but if guns are used in a mass murder, that is clearly an exception and we don't need to mess with gun policy to restrict access to guns?

I don't know. Maybe you should ask someone who "doesn't want to mess with gun policy to restrict access to guns" why that is?

You aren't chicken little'ing all sorts of policies because of unusual circumstances. So one has to wonder, why unusual circumstances are bothering you enough to bring it up here?