Breakdown In Civil Order

[Trausti]

 

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, no one's ever been robbed on an NYC subway before.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Feel free to present your evidence that this has worked, in cities where homeless people are not afforded rights.

What rights are you talking about here?

Right to personal property.

Sorry, but when you leave your personal property lying around in public it's liable to be disposed of as trash.

 

[TSwizzle]

Looks fake to me.

 

[bilby]

Feel free to present your evidence that this has worked, in cities where homeless people are not afforded rights.

What rights are you talking about here?

Right to personal property.

Sorry, but when you leave your personal property lying around in public it's liable to be disposed of as trash.

What, even when you are right there trying to defend it from the people who are taking it away?

 

[Emily Lake]

Feel free to present your evidence that this has worked, in cities where homeless people are not afforded rights.

What rights are you talking about here?

Right to personal property.

??? Sidewalks aren't personal property. And nobody else has a right to block public thoroughfares with their personal property either.

 

[lpetrich]

Republicans blame Democrats for crime — but new data shows higher murder rates in red states | Salon.com - "Yes, crime is up. But eight of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for Donald Trump"

Republicans have repeatedly blamed Democratic policies in big cities for a rise in murder rates during the pandemic. In fact, Republican states are reporting much higher homicide rates and some of the highest murder rates are in cities led by Republican mayors, according to data compiled by the centrist think tank Third Way.

The Red State Murder Problem – Third Way
with summary

• The rate of murders in the US has gone up at an alarming rate. But, despite a media narrative to the contrary, this is a problem that afflicts Republican-run cities and states as much or more than the Democratic bastions.
• In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.
• 8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.

That paper's assertions are broadly correct:

•  ist of U.S. states and territories by violent crime rate
•  List of U.S. states and territories by intentional homicide rate
•  List of United States cities by crime rate

Back to Salon.

Republicans from former President Donald Trump to congressional lawmakers to Fox News talking heads have repeatedly pointed to Democrats' supposed "soft-on-crime" approach, bail reform laws, and "defund the police" rhetoric from left-wing activists for fueling a surge in violent crime. But the Third Way report shows that "murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states" and some of the highest murder rates are in cities led by Republicans.

"Republicans seem to do a much better job of talking about stopping crime than stopping crime," Jim Kessler, one of the report's authors, told Axios.

Dem group points to "Red State Murder Problem" - Axios

In all, eight of the 10 states with the highest per-capita murder rates in the country voted for Trump in 2020. None of those eight states have been carried by a Democrat since 1996. Mississippi had by far the highest murder rate at 20.5 murders per 100,000 residents, followed by Louisiana at 15.79. Alabama, Kentucky and Missouri all had murder rates higher than 14 per 100,000 compared to a national average of 6.5. The only states that voted for Biden to appear in the top 10 are Georgia — a longtime Republican stronghold that went blue by a tiny margin in 2020 — and New Mexico.

Large blue states that have attracted criticism from Republicans had murder rates significantly below the national average. New York's rate was 4.11 murders per 100,000 residents and California's was 5.59. According to the study, Mississippi's murder rate was 400% higher than New York's and 250% higher than California's.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi represents most of San Francisco, and that city's 2019 murder rate was 6.35 per 100 thousand people. By comparison, House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy's city, Bakersfield, has a Republican mayor and a large fraction of its citizens voted for Donald Trump. Its murder rate is 10.76: 73% more. Jacksonville FL is another Republican-run city, and its murder rate is 12.18: 92% more. More Republican-run cities: Fresno CA 10.64: 67%, Oklahoma City 12.49: 97%, Lexington KY: 9.00: 41%, By comparison, New York City 3.39: -47% (rate ~1/2 SF's), Los Angeles: 7.01: 10%.

 

[lpetrich]

Yes, murders have increased, by overall 30% in 2020. But 32.2% in pro-Trump states and 30.8% in pro-Biden ones. Three of the five states with the highest increases were pro-Trump states: WY 91.7%, SD 69%, NE 59%, all mostly-rural and none with very big cities. Cheyenne WY 65 K, Sioux Falls SD 193 / 277 K, Omaha NE 486 / 968 K. The two pro-Biden states: WI 63.2% MN 58.1%. Milwaukee WI 577 / 1,575 K, Minneapolis MN 430 / 3,690 K. Numbers are (city proper) / (metro area)

Quoting Salon again,

Only one of the 10 states with the highest increases was among the top 20 states in population density — and that was Delaware, with a total population of less than 1 million. California's murder rate increased by 31%, about the national average, while New York had a higher-than-average increase of 45.8%."

A 2021 analysis previously found that the murder rate increase in Republican-led cities was virtually identical to that in Democratic-led cities. Despite Republican claims, no city in the nation has "defunded" the police and hardly any have cut police budgets.

This is more than a matter of Republican talking points or Fox News commentary. Mainstream news outlets like CNN and The New York Times have similarly pumped out countless headlines warning of rising murder rates in big cities.

The Third Way report concluded

A more accurate conclusion from the data is that Republicans do a far better job blaming others for high murder rates than actually reducing high murder rates.

 

[thebeave]

There's some hope on the horizon for San Francisco. People are waking up. Progressive DA Chesa Boudin is officially out.

San Francisco votes overwhelmingly to recall progressive DA Chesa Boudin

San Francisco residents voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to recall District Attorney Chesa Boudin, one of the nation's most progressive top prosecutors.

Partial results from the San Francisco Department of Elections on Tuesday night showed the recall measure — also known as Proposition H — had the support of nearly 60% of voters, with 40% voting against it.

Boudin sought to reform the criminal justice system, ending the use of cash bail, stopping the prosecution of minors as adults, and focused on lowering jail populations amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Boudin also became the first San Francisco DA to file homicide charges against city police officers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There's some hope on the horizon for San Francisco. People are waking up. Progressive DA Chesa Boudin is officially out.

San Francisco votes overwhelmingly to recall progressive DA Chesa Boudin

Yes, murder crime is up across the entire nation, red, blue, purple, but that DA in San Francisco was the cause of it all.

And if we look at California, violent crime has actually been dropping, in spite of murders increasing. And in 2020, violent and property crime went down in San Francisco.

In 2021:

According to the data, rape cases decreased, with 204 reported in 2021, compared to 224 in 2020, and 396 in 2019. Robberies also decreased with 2,242 reported in 2021, compared to 2,404 in 2020, and 3,099 in 2019.

Aggravated assaults slightly increased citywide from 2,183 in 2020 to 2,381 in 2021. Both numbers, however, are down compared to 2,547 aggravated assaults reported in 2019.

Burglaries decreased slightly in 2021 with 7,217, compared to 7,575 in 2020. Meanwhile, thefts increased to 31,139 in 2021, compared to 25,692 in 2020.

Car breaks-in San Francisco also increased in 2021 to 20,663, compared to 14,859 in 2020.

Auto thefts, however, saw a slight decrease in 2021 with 6,030, compared to 6,082 the previous year. Although, both numbers are a jump from 2019, when the city had considerably less auto thefts with 4,442.

It appears that there is nuance in the truth and San Francisco isn't burning to the ground.

 

[Politesse]

There's some hope on the horizon for San Francisco. People are waking up. Progressive DA Chesa Boudin is officially out.

San Francisco votes overwhelmingly to recall progressive DA Chesa Boudin

Yes, murder crime is up across the entire nation, red, blue, purple, but that DA in San Francisco was the cause of it all.

And if we look at California, violent crime has actually been dropping, in spite of murders increasing. And in 2020, violent and property crime went down in San Francisco.

In 2021:

According to the data, rape cases decreased, with 204 reported in 2021, compared to 224 in 2020, and 396 in 2019. Robberies also decreased with 2,242 reported in 2021, compared to 2,404 in 2020, and 3,099 in 2019.

Aggravated assaults slightly increased citywide from 2,183 in 2020 to 2,381 in 2021. Both numbers, however, are down compared to 2,547 aggravated assaults reported in 2019.

Burglaries decreased slightly in 2021 with 7,217, compared to 7,575 in 2020. Meanwhile, thefts increased to 31,139 in 2021, compared to 25,692 in 2020.

Car breaks-in San Francisco also increased in 2021 to 20,663, compared to 14,859 in 2020.

Auto thefts, however, saw a slight decrease in 2021 with 6,030, compared to 6,082 the previous year. Although, both numbers are a jump from 2019, when the city had considerably less auto thefts with 4,442.

It appears that there is nuance in the truth and San Francisco isn't burning to the ground.

People really believed the media circus about the mass lootings, though. Like, they were afraid to go out. I'm certain that's what cost Boudin his job.

 

[ZiprHead]

It appears that there is nuance in the truth and San Francisco isn't burning to the ground.

Maybe they aren't trying hard enough.

 

[TSwizzle]

There's some hope on the horizon for San Francisco. People are waking up. Progressive DA Chesa Boudin is officially out.

San Francisco votes overwhelmingly to recall progressive DA Chesa Boudin

San Francisco residents voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to recall District Attorney Chesa Boudin, one of the nation's most progressive top prosecutors.

Partial results from the San Francisco Department of Elections on Tuesday night showed the recall measure — also known as Proposition H — had the support of nearly 60% of voters, with 40% voting against it.

Boudin sought to reform the criminal justice system, ending the use of cash bail, stopping the prosecution of minors as adults, and focused on lowering jail populations amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Boudin also became the first San Francisco DA to file homicide charges against city police officers.

Boudin is a dangerous loon. He didn't take the recall well, blaming right wing billionaires for his demise.

Fingers crossed that George Gascon gets recalled.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There's some hope on the horizon for San Francisco. People are waking up. Progressive DA Chesa Boudin is officially out.

San Francisco votes overwhelmingly to recall progressive DA Chesa Boudin

San Francisco residents voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to recall District Attorney Chesa Boudin, one of the nation's most progressive top prosecutors.

Partial results from the San Francisco Department of Elections on Tuesday night showed the recall measure — also known as Proposition H — had the support of nearly 60% of voters, with 40% voting against it.

Boudin sought to reform the criminal justice system, ending the use of cash bail, stopping the prosecution of minors as adults, and focused on lowering jail populations amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Boudin also became the first San Francisco DA to file homicide charges against city police officers.

Boudin is a dangerous loon. He didn't take the recall well, blaming right wing billionaires for his demise.

Well it wasn't actual soaring crime that did him in.

 

[TSwizzle]

In Newsom's California, two cops killed in El Monte and a CHP officer shot in Van Nuys by a vagrant;

An hours-long manhunt for the man wanted in connection with shooting a California Highway Patrol officer in Van Nuys resulted in arrest early Tuesday morning. Pejhmaun Iraj Khosroabadi, 33-years-old, was taken into custody just before 9 a.m. after he was found hiding inside of a tent on Haskell Avenue by an LAPD bloodhound.

News

In good news for Los Angeles, the effort to recall LA DA Gascon moves forward. Enough signatures have been collected and submitted by the deadline. The problem now is signature verification process. A corrupt LA County will try their hardest to scupper the measure getting on the ballot.

 

[Politesse]

Once again, everything bad that happens in the state is the direct fault of the governor. This is faith, not reason.

 

[TSwizzle]

The killer of the two El Monte cops was on probation for a felony. A plea deal that Gascon wanted;

The man who killed two El Monte police officers was on probation for illegally carrying a gun when he fired on the officers as they responded to a call for service at a motel Tuesday, court records show. Law enforcement sources identified the gunman as Justin Flores, 35. Arrested in 2020 and charged with possessing methamphetamine, a handgun and ammunition, Flores pleaded no contest in February 2021 to possessing a firearm as a felon, records show. Prosecutors dropped the other charges.

LA Times

Gascon needs to be recalled. Actually, he should resign.

 

[TSwizzle]

Portland sounds like a sewer;

The streets of Portland resemble an 'open air drug market' after state officials' scheme to decriminalize hard drugs led to a surge in overdose deaths, critics claim. Law enforcement agents say that the streets of Portland are full of homeless addicts openly buying and selling drugs and that signs of drug addiction are actually increasing statewide, Fox News reported. Photos show the desperate situation in the Pacific Northwest city, where people can be seen shooting up drugs or passed out in broad daylight.

Daily Mail

Similar to what we see in San Francisco or Los Angeles.

 

[Politesse]

Based on the scaremongering above, you might expect that Democrat-led states in general and the West Coast states specifically must lead the entire nation in overdose deaths. But of course, that's not even close to true:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mortality/drug_poisoning.htm



It turns out, social stigma and imprisonment are very ineffective tools for saving lives from drug overdose, and party affiliation in particular seems to be almost entirely irrelevant, or at least, not very effective at predicting where outbreaks will center. Rather, the opioid epidemic has a geographic pattern, and that pattern seems to hold true whether a particular community is in a "red" or "blue" state.

 

[prideandfall]

Based on the scaremongering above, you might expect that Democrat-led states in general and the West Coast states specifically must lead the entire nation in overdose deaths. But of course, that's not even close to true:

pfffft don't you know that only 'recreational' ones used by the poors count as 'drugs'?
good honest corn-fed white folks popping fentanyl until they drop dead isn't 'drug overdoses' that's just a little steam bubble in the paint job of capitalism.

you're comparing apples to vespas here, the two are totally unrelated*

*poe's law applies here.