California Doing California Things

[robnisch]

MSN

Plant based coated paper for packaging.

Looks interesting.
One of the worst things are those bags that chips(crisps) come in. They are impossible to recycle, because of the layers of foil and paper.

 

[Politesse]

I found this recent article on the ongoing fate of the CARE program rollout interesting, but not exactly encouraging:

CARE Court Was Supposed to Help Those Hardest to Treat. Here's How It's Going

Kaitlyn Willison, an attorney with Legal Assistance to the Elderly in San Francisco who represents CARE Court participants, said the first step might involve combing the streets to search for people, which takes time. Once the person is found, the next hurdle is building trust.

“That means I need to see them two, three, four times before they go to court,” Willison said. “And the timelines just aren’t set up in a way that allows us as respondents’ counsel enough time to build that really precious trust that we need to best advocate for our clients.”
...

But Jain, with Disability Rights California, is skeptical. One of those challenges is baked into the nature of the program itself, he said: that it has the potential to veer away from voluntary agreements and into coerced care.

“The bottom line is that the court is a coercive program,” he said.
For Judge Begert in San Francisco, coerced treatment is very much “what we’re trying to avoid.” But, he acknowledged that changing the cultures of both the court system and the mental health care system is no easy task.

“Getting people to change their mindset in a culture that’s very well-formed and static is a hard thing to do,” he said. “You bring the healthcare system into the criminal justice system — or the justice system in general — it starts to act like the justice system. So, that’s always a challenge.”

But the devil is in the details It's worth reading through the whole thing, even if you aren't Californian. It's likely that, as is often the case, our programs will be used as models for programs in other states as well, if they haven't been already.

 

[Rhea]

The alternatives to the plastic bags aren't exactly stellar examples of environmentalism. IIRC, paper bags are more energy intensive to make than the single use plastic bags, and require trees. The washable ones get nasty fast, and have to be washed pretty frequently. IIRC, the end result of that is they also require more energy overall than plastic.

I’ve been using canvas bags for ten years or more. They don’t get nasty. What are you doing, throwing raw meat in there? I get a few onion skins to shake out from time to time and I do wash them every couple months just on ceremony.
What plastic bags I might accumulate I use to wrap paint brushes and rollers if I need to use them the next day.

My wife has several bags she's gotten from WWF for donations. They seem to be made of the same plastic material that tarpaulins are made of. She's been using them for years and has never had to throw one out.

For paint rollers, kitchen plastic wrap works great for that.

Paint rollers (how often do people need this, anyway?) also go just fine in one of the bags the actual grocery products come in. I rinse out things like the rice bag and cereal liner and use those for things like paint rollers or when I want a trash bag in the car or what not. They also work for collecting the kitchen trash, or the blood-soaked rags you find yourself needing to dispose of after you catch the neighbor steeling your wifi. I have not once in the last 15 years said, “I wish I had a plastic grocery bag”.


A lot of the posts from Loren et al just spound like excuses, not actual needs.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Everything is virtue signalling for MAGA. Signaling a left turn, virtue signalling! Leaving a tip, virtue signaling! Holding a door open, virtue signaling!! Using public transportation, virtue signaling!!!!

While there is definitely a problem with the right calling things virtue signaling there also is a problem with virtue signaling--by both sides.

Is there any actual problem with virtue signaling? We solved enough issues that we can worry about virtue signaling? I don't support virtue signaling, but as far as troubles in my life... people that virtue signal... really far down the list.

It's much easier to do virtue signals than actually do good.

It is as easy to commit an act of virtue signaling (and as useless) as it is to complain about it. On both sides.

The problem comes when the virtue signaling imposes upon others.

 

[TSwizzle]

Insufferable prick Gavin Newsom hates democracy;

Gov. Gavin Newsom has taken aim at Huntington Beach with a new law that prevents the governing body overseeing elections in California from requiring voter identification at the polls. In March, voters in the beachside city approved a measure requiring residents to show valid identification when casting a ballot. The measure, which impacts city elections, is expected to go into effect in 2026.

News

 

[Shadowy Man]

Insufferable prick Gavin Newsom hates democracy;

Gov. Gavin Newsom has taken aim at Huntington Beach with a new law that prevents the governing body overseeing elections in California from requiring voter identification at the polls. In March, voters in the beachside city approved a measure requiring residents to show valid identification when casting a ballot. The measure, which impacts city elections, is expected to go into effect in 2026.

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I think you mean that insufferable prick Dave Min, right?

The new law, SB 1174, was introduced by state Sen. Dave Min (D-Irvine).

I was taught that the legislature writes laws not the governor.

 

[Politesse]

Insufferable prick Gavin Newsom hates democracy;

Gov. Gavin Newsom has taken aim at Huntington Beach with a new law that prevents the governing body overseeing elections in California from requiring voter identification at the polls. In March, voters in the beachside city approved a measure requiring residents to show valid identification when casting a ballot. The measure, which impacts city elections, is expected to go into effect in 2026.

News

I think you mean that insufferable prick Dave Min, right?

The new law, SB 1174, was introduced by state Sen. Dave Min (D-Irvine).

I was taught that the legislature writes laws not the governor.

No, I think the vice president is supposed to write the laws.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Your link also quotes the attorney general as saying:

“State election law already contains robust voter ID requirements with strong protections to prevent voter fraud while ensuring that every eligible voter can cast their ballot without hardship.”

So, which part of the current state election law do you think is anti-democracy and needs to be fixed by this one community?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Insufferable prick Gavin Newsom hates democracy;

Gov. Gavin Newsom has taken aim at Huntington Beach with a new law that prevents the governing body overseeing elections in California from requiring voter identification at the polls. In March, voters in the beachside city approved a measure requiring residents to show valid identification when casting a ballot. The measure, which impacts city elections, is expected to go into effect in 2026.

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Newsom???

That's a local ordnance, not state!

And the reality is that there are enough checks in the system that what they typically use around here of your sample ballot being acceptable is good enough. Just because you don't see the checks doesn't mean they aren't there. We keep seeing Republicans trying to prove how insecure the system is--and getting caught up by the security they didn't see. Get fancy enough and you can probably vote in place of someone who isn't voting--but if you try to do this at a useful scale sooner or later you'll end up voting someone who did vote and you'll get caught.

The only real hole in the system is mail in ballots being voted by relatives of those who are no longer competent.

 

[robnisch]

MSN

www.msn.com

This has been a pet peeve of mine for many years.
I worked in groceries a long time, and I got tired of explaining to people what the date on food means.
Most 'Mericans have been brain washed by big food to throw out food that is fine just to sell you more.
There should be Fed standards on labeling.
Good for California on this one.

 

[Elixir]

The only real hole in the system is mail in ballots being voted by relatives of those who are no longer competent.

And it’s not that Trumpers cheat more, it’s just that they dominate the incompetent vote.

 

[unapologetic]

Could somebody please explain to me what a 'CARE court' is?

 

[Politesse]

Could somebody please explain to me what a 'CARE court' is?

It stands for Community, Assistance, Recovery, and Empowerment, and is meant to essentially redirect traffic when people with severe mental health issues are either picked up by the police, or recommended to the program by worried family members and the like. This was primarily designed to soften the PR blow of the mass arrests of homeless citizens that Newsom has been conducting with ever greater frequency over the last four years, though in the pilot counties the program has been unexpectedly popular in non-law enforcement contexts. Rather than just tossing them into the prison system (or even leveling formal charges) a judge will order that a clearly-defined program of treatment and care be devised over a period of some months, using the various alphabet soup of state programs to find psychiatric care, counseling, addiction assistance, housing, etc, in hopes of getting the person back on their feet and hopefully back in the factory.

You can read more here:

Propaganda version:
https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Fact-Sheet_-CARE-Court-1.pdf

Critical view:

Care Court Will Become a Path Toward Institutionalization | Disability Rights California

www.disabilityrightsca.org

 

[bilby]

Does anyone else get the impression that an increasing amount of legislation is not so much aimed at improving society, or pursuing political agendas, as it is at coining a nice acronym?

"Sorry mate, but under the KIND Act, we are required to Kill you, Inter you, and Notify the public of your Demise"

 

[unapologetic]

Does anyone else get the impression that an increasing amount of legislation is not so much aimed at improving society, or pursuing political agendas, as it is at coining a nice acronym?

"Sorry mate, but under the KIND Act, we are required to Kill you, Inter you, and Notify the public of your Demise"

I often can't tell what a law will actually do, by what it says it will do.
A referendum might say "Should we pass the 'XYZ health act' to streamline health?"
Yeah, what's that mean? Streamline how? Improve how? For who? How much?

 

[Politesse]

Does anyone else get the impression that an increasing amount of legislation is not so much aimed at improving society, or pursuing political agendas, as it is at coining a nice acronym?

"Sorry mate, but under the KIND Act, we are required to Kill you, Inter you, and Notify the public of your Demise"

This I will concede about the California system: It's usually best to run the other way if someone introduces themselves as a representative of an acronymic agency. Especially if it's got the customary CAL- suffix of a state-led initiative.

 

[TSwizzle]

The people of California did not vote the way Newsom wanted them to and he is going to punish the plebs by raising the price they pay for gas;

New regulations aimed at limiting the carbon intensity in fuels in California could reverse the state’s ongoing drop in gas prices. On Friday, in a meeting lasting more than 12 hours, the California Air Resources Board approved the new measures in a 12-2 vote. Supporters cited the push that the new measures will provide in moving California away from fossil fuels. The plan will limit the carbon intensity in fuels by expanding a program instituted in 2011 that penalized refineries that create high-carbon fuel, like diesel and gasoline. New regulations would increase the penalties, thus increasing the price of production.

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It is estimated that the price for a gallon of gas could increase by $.65.

 

[Patooka]

The people of California did not vote the way Newsom wanted them to and he is going to punish the plebs by raising the price they pay for gas;

New regulations aimed at limiting the carbon intensity in fuels in California could reverse the state’s ongoing drop in gas prices. On Friday, in a meeting lasting more than 12 hours, the California Air Resources Board approved the new measures in a 12-2 vote. Supporters cited the push that the new measures will provide in moving California away from fossil fuels. The plan will limit the carbon intensity in fuels by expanding a program instituted in 2011 that penalized refineries that create high-carbon fuel, like diesel and gasoline. New regulations would increase the penalties, thus increasing the price of production.

News

It is estimated that the price for a gallon of gas could increase by $.65.

In case anyone is wondering, no not even TSwizzle reads the articles he posts. The reason I know this is because from the article he just sourced;

According to reporting from Nexstar Media Group’s California Capitol Reporter Eytan Wallace, board member Eric Guerra said the measure “does not have a correlation with retail retail (sic) gas prices,” but called on the board to monitor gas trends.

 

[Elixir]

Don’t worry Swiz, Trumpy will see to it that you don’t lose your $0.65. No matter how many species go extinct in the process.

 

[robnisch]

All I see is people whining about the price of fuel while sitting theirs cars on the 405 going nowhere.
Did you know that building wider roads never help the traffic problem?
America went the wrong way 70 years ago.
Instead of whining, elect people that will build a mass transit system that works.