I have to say, this kind of situation really does exemplify what I have been saying about how those who have been apparently merely "rhetorically cheeky" up to now only did so as a pretext to support hate and horrors being visited on people, and that this was always where they were headed.
Yes, you were always Nazis, the word Nazi always applied, and none of it was a Godwin after all (although Godwin himself admitted that sometimes, the guy calling the other a Nazi... Well, sometimes in the current climate they are right!)
We always knew that fascism would come to the world wrapped in the visage of Christianity, but representing utter mal-social selfishness. It was written over 2000 years ago describing the actions of tyrants of the day and humanity at that scale is still the same as it ever was.
The hate will be spun so that it's image confuses people as to whether it is hate; the effects of the hate will be people harmed horribly and tortured all the same, but it will be presented to everyone else confusingly.
And that is what we see... Many words used to confuse the issue that Charlie Kirk was a fascist Nazi who hated gay people and preached that hate.
Any chance your alter ego is Barbos? Sorry, bad inside joke. Kirk wasn't a Nazi. The danger with considering that everyone is a Nazi, is that you'll be continuously at war with everyone, and the real enemy will grow in power. Just a thought...
This kind of equivocation isn't helping anything. No one compares "everyone" to Nazis. People who know history compare those who espouse Nazi ideology to Nazis. Concepts like scientific racism, eugenics, anti-socialism, Aryan supremacy, and radical nationalism aren't inventions of "the left".
Seriously, you are comparing trans people to Typhoid Mary.
smh
That is sick. In fact, your whole post is fucking sick.
I guess B20 thinks I have made a giant unwarranted leap of faith, to believe that a guy in a relationship with a trans person killed someone who evinces hate for trans people, leaving an apologetic note for his trans partner … and making the unwarranted conjecture that these things could be related.
SHEESH!!
But it’s not a leap of faith for him to imply that since we don’t know that he’s not a boilerplate liberal gunslinger, (common as such folk are) he might well have been a Hillary-loving lib’rul murderer.
Ooookay, dude.
I think I must be missing something; B20 isn’t usually so reactionary.
Something SURELY unrelated, but to feed his confirmation bias, the MI shooter’s lifted pickup truck flying its dual ‘Murkin flags, - tha guy was probably another lib.
But we wouldn’t want to jump to conclusions, right?
JFC, did you guys smoke too much?
Bomb didn't compare transgender people to typhoid mary, get your damned brains checked. Seriously, this is not difficult.
Take as a premise that Kirk genuinely believed that transgender people are mentally ill, and that they represent a social danger. YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT YOU NUMBSKULLS - JUST TAKE IT AS THE PREMISE FOR THE ARGUMENT
From there, believing that mentally ill people who represent a social danger should be institutionalized is not hatred. It's protection for them and for everyone else. It's just like institutionalizing a paranoid schizophrenic who can't be managed. There's no hatred involved.
And again - you don't have to agree with the sentiment to understand the viewpoint. In fact, understanding the viewpoint and where it's coming from is the only way you can possibly change anyone's mind. Otherwise all you're left with is your own personal pogrom killing heretics.
Goddamn, I kind of feel like several of you desperately want a civil war.
Please enlighten us because I don't 'understand where it's coming from' if my understanding that it comes from a place of ignorance and bigotry and hatred is incorrect.
Which it may be.
You know that I do have concerns about MtF trans individuals in women's and girls' sports. It may be less a concern than I sometimes worry about--I very well remember the sports scene for girls and women prior to Title IX which has not erased all of the inequalities. I do have a difficult time believing that men and boys would fake being trans in order to participate but it's possible. And I do have some concerns about MtF trans individuals in women's private spaces such as locker rooms. Again, it's probably only rarely an issue and in almost all cases there's not a problem. But there are occasionally individuals who use the cover of being MtF in order to have easier access to their preferred victims. We need to find a way to safeguard against this.
Gonna focus on that last sentence: how deep is this need you profess?
Do we need to find ways to safeguard "women" from predator "women" who use their shared "woman" status as cover to predate?
I would argue that MtF incidents are even less of a concern than CIS women doing such things or that they are similarly prevalent occurrences...
So how much do we need this?
Do we need it so much that we tear up sports, or do we allow the sports leagues to maintain whatever sanity needs be maintained through internal policy decided by those whose interests in the result lie in the interest that led them to be pivotal in said internal regulating body?
Because it looks to me like the people most obsessed about trans people have never been Democrats.
What would normally be a few pages of quiet discussion about something obscure ends up being reams of posts denying the existence of us at all.
Do we need to do it so badly that we tear apart our country, burning it down to end trans healthcare at all?
I really question at this point how much we really need that.
