Jarhyn
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Wow you are just bending over yourself to defend your "nonviolent" capitulation.Who said peace at all costs?No more than punishment and praise is a magic button. You can't after all just wantonly punish and praise someone randomly and hope the outcom you want.Violence isn't a magic button
But much like the situation where you have screws and something to fasten down with them, while neither the screws and the screwdriver are magic, while wiggling them at the problem does nothing, the solution itself still requires application of those tools, and in the proper way.
No change happens, no change is possible, when there is a violent regime and that violent bully is not opposed with every measure of promised violence.
It is not a magic button... But it is definitely a necessary button have on your table, and a necessary tool to be able to use.
Your peace at all costs will lead you to the peace of the grave.
I'm thinking that'd be a false dichotomy.I will not share that peace. Nobody should. So it is the peace of the violent and wild and free, or it is the peace of the grave.
I think anyone who steps up to senseless violence is an enemy of the state, period. I don't play teams.And bear in mind I am not the one threatening you with your peace of the grave, that's the Trumpists.
You haven't put any sense to proclaimed violence..
WTF are you going on about?It is laughable that you will watch someone who murders others who are powerless and begging for their lives, and think that when YOU ask nicely, YOU will be spared.
I am saying that IF you want your protests to be effective, you have to point loudly and clearly to "Plan B", and yes, plan B involves violence.
That violence is careful, but you are the one claiming that anyone endorsing it is endorsing "magic button wave the violence around" solutions rather than protest signs in one hand and rifles in the other.
If you wave one hand full of signs and the other empty of rifles, no change will happen.