Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Elixir]

a political assassination, however heinous, cannot turn red into blue, lies into truth, or bigots into diplomats

I suspect that this was more personal than political.

 

[Politesse]

I would tend to think there was a political angle to this. You don't shoot someone over a live video feed unless you want others to see it, you'd wait until they are getting in their car, yeah?

 

[Elixir]

you'd wait until they are getting in their car, yeah?

You don’t know where the car is or when he is likely to be getting in it, let alone where to locate oneself for a clear shot.
The location of center stage, the point from which there was a line of fire, the time at which Kirk was going to be there - these were all factors known well in advance.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I would tend to think there was a political angle to this. You don't shoot someone over a live video feed unless you want others to see it, you'd wait until they are getting in their car, yeah?

We aren't talking about a trained assassin. We are talking about someone that had an intention and did so in a manner that required as little risk as possible. So at the area where Kirk was supposed to be for a while is a logical place for the irrational and immoral act.

 

[laughing dog]

Charlie Kirk deliberately made hateful statements. Whether he truly had hate in his heart is undetermined matter that is undeterminable without his admission.

Making hateful statements is evidence of hate but it is not conclusive. But those statements make a reasonable basis that racial hate or bigotry was part of Mr Kirk’s world view.

 

[Elixir]

Charlie Kirk deliberately made hateful statements. Whether he truly had hate in his heart is undetermined matter that is undeterminable without his admission.

He had a golden retriever that was apparently fond of him.
I feel sorry for the dog.

 

[Playball40]

That makes it sound like Kirk thought gender ideology is a cult and trans people are its victims.

Kirk did not simply call gender ideology a "cult." He repeatedly described transgender people themselves as mentally ill, dangerous, and in need of institutionalization, advocating a return to the practices of the 1950s and 60s.

And? Do you think the people who thought Typhoid Mary was ill, dangerous, and in need of institutionalization thought so because they hated her?

Try again dipstick. Typhoid Mary was infecting OTHERS. Transgendered people hurt NO ONE.

 

[Elixir]

The constitution says whatever the Supreme Court interprets it as saying.

Are you really intending to say that if the SC woke up tomorrow and said that the first amendment of the constitution says that left-handed people can be purchased as livestock and eaten for food, you think that would actually work, and we'd all just be stuck selling our left-handed cousins and having "Lefty Lou Lasagne"?

It would have to be preceded with several years at least, of right wing vilification.
If they can do it to a nonexistent group like Antifa, why not those sinister, evil lefties?

Anything the SCOTUS says, goes. Period.
We TRUST them not to put us on the menu. But if they do, our ONLY recourse would be an uprising. What did you think, Emily? The Amazing Hulk or Superman would save us?

 

[Elixir]

Transgendered people hurt NO ONE.

‘Cept Chuckie.

 

[TomC]

Try again dipstick. Typhoid Mary was infecting OTHERS. Transgendered people hurt NO ONE.

This is quite the rub. Kirk is very much like Typhoid Mary. He was busy infecting people with with his transphobia and a bunch of other stuff. Like Mary, he thought himself entitled to do it.
I see Robinson as more resembling a family member protecting his loved ones from typhoid the only way he knew how.
Tom

ETA ~Its a weak analogy. But I didn't bring Typhoid Mary into the discussion.~