Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Emily Lake]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

 

[TomC]

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that?

Yes I do.
From Trump's dependence on Russian financing, to his hiring a Russian criminal to be in charge of his presidential campaign, to his helping Putin invade Ukraine, to his stealing top secret documents,

the list of reasons to believe that Trump is a Russian asset is long and varied.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy.

Add one more...
Why do you not see that in addition to being an adjudicated rapist, Donald Trump is an enemy of this Country, working to destroy American democratic process and set himself up as lifetime ruler, and attain the "richest person on the planet" title?
What has he EVER done that as president that is counter to that pursuit? Nothing. It is all consistent with that aim.
When (not if) he invokes the insurrection act, will you waggle your finger at him, or just go along with his better judgment that it was needed?
I have a prediction...

 

[laughing dog]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

I said there is evidence Trump is a traitor. He helped organize and encourage an insurrection against the gov’t, and refused to defend the Capitol. I think that should be bleeding obvious.

 

[Elixir]

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy

No, he's playing five dimensional chess and Russian intelligence service is playing checkers.


In my top ten:

* Former KGB officers like Yuri Shvets can tell you Trump was cultivated as an asset since the 1980s.
After his 1987 trip to Moscow, Shvets (and others) say Trump echoed KGB propaganda upon returning, investing $94,000 in full-page ads criticizing U.S. alliances—an act reportedly celebrated by Russian intelligence as a successful operation.

* When Trump was foundering in the 2000s, he sold the Palm Beach, Florida estate known as Maison de L'Amitié to Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev for $95 million. (The sale set a record for the most expensive residential property transaction in U.S. history) Russia doesn't tolerate billionaires that don't toe the Putin line.
Trump had purchased the place for $41m in 2004 and done nothing to it (it even had mold issues!), and had been unable to get any offer on it even at lower prices. So Pootey propped him up, valuable asset that he was becoming. The front guy who paid Trump off has since had the place torn down.

* Since that time lots of former Soviet Intel officers have agreeing stories of his recruitment. Loans to Trumpy entities by shady Putin-linked banks are also well documented, probably rescuing Trump Media from collapse again in 2021. He's fiscally incompetent unless he is allowed to cheat as he is now, so Russia has bailed him out repeatedly. Nothing he has done up to now has impacted Putin in any way but positively up to this point. Personally I think that Trump's proven ability to handwave ANYTHING away to the satisfaction of his idiot followers, has emboldened him to believe that if Russia ever dropped their kompromat on him, he could just shout it down like everything else. So maybe his recent hissy fit is evidence that he will try to start to stand up to Uncle Vlad before he dies.

* Gotta add this gem from 2014:
"We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia."
- Loudmouth Eric, giving away the game

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

I said there is evidence Trump is a traitor. He helped organize and encourage an insurrection against the gov’t, and refused to defend the Capitol. I think that should be bleeding obvious.

To add--his first day in office this time around was January 20th, 2025. By January 22nd, the paramilitary leaders of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were pardoned and released from prison.

 

[Jarhyn]

I have thought Emily's views to be Nazi ideals dressed up as if they were liberal feminism.

I have expected this to be the case since shortly after I first saw her posts and their dubious contents.

Now she is in here doing her best 1984 party member impersonation, and I can't help but wonder whether she knew all along as we did that when this day came, that she would be siding with jackboot thugs using the same bad faith arguments...

 

[Shadowy Man]

I said there is evidence Trump is a traitor. He helped organize and encourage an insurrection against the gov’t, and refused to defend the Capitol. I think that should be bleeding obvious.

the bolded alone should be enough.

 

[unapologetic]

and refused to defend the Capitol.

He IS defending the capital (and all of DC). Just 5 years too late. (and I can't tell from who).

 

[unapologetic]

I have seen two yard signs recently, saying
"I am Charlie Kirk".
This is my response:

 

[Politesse]

Echoing the Je Suis Charlie meme, of course. Charlie Hebdo and Charlie Kirk were similar in some ways. A paper and a man defined en memoriam by the dire consequences of defending free speech through deliberate provocation. I would question whether they had the same ultimate goals, though.

 

[Bomb#20]

I'd never heard of Charlie Kirk until he was already dead;

Me neither.

and have hardly paid any attention even now. The Google summary tells me enough:

A key ally of President Donald Trump, Kirk espoused a variety of conservative and Trumpist stances, including opposition to abortion, [opposition to] gun control, [opposition to] DEI programs, and [opposition to] LGBT rights.

Google's summary was poorly phrased. I've added "opposition to" in brackets to correct an ambiguity.

I don't disagree that DEI often goes too far, but it doesn't make the Top 100 List of Problems Facing America and the World. Those who are obsessed with opposition to DEI tend to be racists, misogynists and/or xenophobes. "Tend to be" -- I won't indict on that alone.

But the rest of this brief summary makes it clear to me that Kirk was part of the problem, not part of the solution. There are "conservatives", perhaps with views farther right than Kirk's, who are NOT "Trumpists." John Bolton, Dick Cheney and his daughter, and perhaps even Ted Cruz are about as extreme right-wing as one can get without being certifiably insane, and all oppose Trump.

The ignorant equation of "conservative" with "Trumpist" is exasperating. If the fascist take-over by Trump and his MAGGOTs of our once-great country is not clearly visible by now, just Shut the F**k Up -- You're too ignorant for your opinion to have any value.

No, I'm not glad that this guy I'd never heard of is dead. I'm not cackling with glee: That's what high-placed MAGGOTs (including MOST of the FoxNews shills) did when Paul Pelosi was bludgeoned.

Kirk's assassin was a crazy man who should never have been allowed to possess a gun. WTF difference does it make if he was a left-wing psychotic, right-wing psychotic, up-wing psychotic, down-wing psychotic, north-wing psychotic, or a south-wing psychotic?

Can't say what's in Robinson's heart, but he called Kirk a fascist and hateful, and those are shrink-wrapped leftist slurs. Quack like a duck, don't be surprised if you're taken for a duck.

It amazes just how far right some of the "conservatives" are here.

What the actual for realsies ... was "far right" in Bomb's post?

Hunh?? Read my comments above. I don't want to slur Mr. Bomb more than he is already slurring himself.

Hunh?? What exactly are your comments above supposed to have to do with the contentions in my post? Does your disapproval of maggots imply it's "far right" to think some leftists are "fanning flames of war"? Do your comments explain why "Whether a corporate merger violates antitrust laws should depend on objective criteria spelled out in legislation." is "far right"? Should a non-"far right" person be expected to determine whether what Abbott said about Booker was false by examining maggots rather than by comparing his statement with the facts? Is "judges aren't above the law" a "far right" opinion, because maggots? Did the advent of Trump and his fanboys retroactively stop leftists from having been calling mainstream conservative views "fascist" and "hate" at least since the 70s and probably earlier, and/or cause this behavioral pattern of leftists to have become retroactively unnoticed by anyone but the "far right"? Seriously dude, what the bejesus are you smoking?

If your theory is that I must be "far right" because you think Robinson got his rhetoric not from leftist rhetorical conventions but from observing that Kirk's views were objectively fascist, based on Kirk's opposition to abortion, gun control, DEI programs, and LGBT rights, um, has it never occurred to you that those sorts of social attitudes were normal mainstream majority opinion in WWII-era America, among precisely the people laying down their lives to save you and me from actual-for-realsies fascism? Have you bloody well forgotten which side America was on in WWII?!? That you anachronistically conflate "fascism" with late-20th- and 21st-century controversies is just yet more evidence for where Robinson got his memes from.

I had much respect for "conservatives." ... But NOT when they mutate into Trumpists.

I'm a liberal; I voted against Trump at least as many times as you did.

And by the way, Emily, your views on the Second Amendment are atrocious. Please stop blaming America's stupidities on the Founding Fathers. If they were alive to see what guns represent in America today, every single one would vote to expunge the stupidities of that Amendment. Every.Single.One.

Are you under the impression that your ability to insert extra punctuation into your assertions gives you extrasensory perception of dead people's minds? You have no information on how many Founding Fathers would still support the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Elixir]

WTF difference does it make if he was a left-wing psychotic, right-wing psychotic, up-wing psychotic, down-wing psychotic, north-wing psychotic, or a south-wing psychotic?

Fine, as long as he’s not West Wing psychotic; that’s a bridge too far.