Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah

[Emily Lake]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

 

[TomC]

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that?

Yes I do.
From Trump's dependence on Russian financing, to his hiring a Russian criminal to be in charge of his presidential campaign, to his helping Putin invade Ukraine, to his stealing top secret documents,

the list of reasons to believe that Trump is a Russian asset is long and varied.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy.

Add one more...
Why do you not see that in addition to being an adjudicated rapist, Donald Trump is an enemy of this Country, working to destroy American democratic process and set himself up as lifetime ruler, and attain the "richest person on the planet" title?
What has he EVER done that as president that is counter to that pursuit? Nothing. It is all consistent with that aim.
When (not if) he invokes the insurrection act, will you waggle your finger at him, or just go along with his better judgment that it was needed?
I have a prediction...

 

[laughing dog]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

I said there is evidence Trump is a traitor. He helped organize and encourage an insurrection against the gov’t, and refused to defend the Capitol. I think that should be bleeding obvious.

 

[Elixir]

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy

No, he's playing five dimensional chess and Russian intelligence service is playing checkers.


In my top ten:

* Former KGB officers like Yuri Shvets can tell you Trump was cultivated as an asset since the 1980s.
After his 1987 trip to Moscow, Shvets (and others) say Trump echoed KGB propaganda upon returning, investing $94,000 in full-page ads criticizing U.S. alliances—an act reportedly celebrated by Russian intelligence as a successful operation.

* When Trump was foundering in the 2000s, he sold the Palm Beach, Florida estate known as Maison de L'Amitié to Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev for $95 million. (The sale set a record for the most expensive residential property transaction in U.S. history) Russia doesn't tolerate billionaires that don't toe the Putin line.
Trump had purchased the place for $41m in 2004 and done nothing to it (it even had mold issues!), and had been unable to get any offer on it even at lower prices. So Pootey propped him up, valuable asset that he was becoming. The front guy who paid Trump off has since had the place torn down.

* Since that time lots of former Soviet Intel officers have agreeing stories of his recruitment. Loans to Trumpy entities by shady Putin-linked banks are also well documented, probably rescuing Trump Media from collapse again in 2021. He's fiscally incompetent unless he is allowed to cheat as he is now, so Russia has bailed him out repeatedly. Nothing he has done up to now has impacted Putin in any way but positively up to this point. Personally I think that Trump's proven ability to handwave ANYTHING away to the satisfaction of his idiot followers, has emboldened him to believe that if Russia ever dropped their kompromat on him, he could just shout it down like everything else. So maybe his recent hissy fit is evidence that he will try to start to stand up to Uncle Vlad before he dies.

* Gotta add this gem from 2014:
"We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia."
- Loudmouth Eric, giving away the game

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

I said there is evidence Trump is a traitor. He helped organize and encourage an insurrection against the gov’t, and refused to defend the Capitol. I think that should be bleeding obvious.

To add--his first day in office this time around was January 20th, 2025. By January 22nd, the paramilitary leaders of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were pardoned and released from prison.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I said there is evidence Trump is a traitor. He helped organize and encourage an insurrection against the gov’t, and refused to defend the Capitol. I think that should be bleeding obvious.

the bolded alone should be enough.

 

[unapologetic]

and refused to defend the Capitol.

He IS defending the capital (and all of DC). Just 5 years too late. (and I can't tell from who).

 

[unapologetic]

I have seen two yard signs recently, saying
"I am Charlie Kirk".
This is my response:

 

[Politesse]

Echoing the Je Suis Charlie meme, of course. Charlie Hebdo and Charlie Kirk were similar in some ways. A paper and a man defined en memoriam by the dire consequences of defending free speech through deliberate provocation. I would question whether they had the same ultimate goals, though.

 

[Bomb#20]

I'd never heard of Charlie Kirk until he was already dead;

Me neither.

and have hardly paid any attention even now. The Google summary tells me enough:

A key ally of President Donald Trump, Kirk espoused a variety of conservative and Trumpist stances, including opposition to abortion, [opposition to] gun control, [opposition to] DEI programs, and [opposition to] LGBT rights.

Google's summary was poorly phrased. I've added "opposition to" in brackets to correct an ambiguity.

I don't disagree that DEI often goes too far, but it doesn't make the Top 100 List of Problems Facing America and the World. Those who are obsessed with opposition to DEI tend to be racists, misogynists and/or xenophobes. "Tend to be" -- I won't indict on that alone.

But the rest of this brief summary makes it clear to me that Kirk was part of the problem, not part of the solution. There are "conservatives", perhaps with views farther right than Kirk's, who are NOT "Trumpists." John Bolton, Dick Cheney and his daughter, and perhaps even Ted Cruz are about as extreme right-wing as one can get without being certifiably insane, and all oppose Trump.

The ignorant equation of "conservative" with "Trumpist" is exasperating. If the fascist take-over by Trump and his MAGGOTs of our once-great country is not clearly visible by now, just Shut the F**k Up -- You're too ignorant for your opinion to have any value.

No, I'm not glad that this guy I'd never heard of is dead. I'm not cackling with glee: That's what high-placed MAGGOTs (including MOST of the FoxNews shills) did when Paul Pelosi was bludgeoned.

Kirk's assassin was a crazy man who should never have been allowed to possess a gun. WTF difference does it make if he was a left-wing psychotic, right-wing psychotic, up-wing psychotic, down-wing psychotic, north-wing psychotic, or a south-wing psychotic?

Can't say what's in Robinson's heart, but he called Kirk a fascist and hateful, and those are shrink-wrapped leftist slurs. Quack like a duck, don't be surprised if you're taken for a duck.

It amazes just how far right some of the "conservatives" are here.

What the actual for realsies ... was "far right" in Bomb's post?

Hunh?? Read my comments above. I don't want to slur Mr. Bomb more than he is already slurring himself.

Hunh?? What exactly are your comments above supposed to have to do with the contentions in my post? Does your disapproval of maggots imply it's "far right" to think some leftists are "fanning flames of war"? Do your comments explain why "Whether a corporate merger violates antitrust laws should depend on objective criteria spelled out in legislation." is "far right"? Should a non-"far right" person be expected to determine whether what Abbott said about Booker was false by examining maggots rather than by comparing his statement with the facts? Is "judges aren't above the law" a "far right" opinion, because maggots? Did the advent of Trump and his fanboys retroactively stop leftists from having been calling mainstream conservative views "fascist" and "hate" at least since the 70s and probably earlier, and/or cause this behavioral pattern of leftists to have become retroactively unnoticed by anyone but the "far right"? Seriously dude, what the bejesus are you smoking?

If your theory is that I must be "far right" because you think Robinson got his rhetoric not from leftist rhetorical conventions but from observing that Kirk's views were objectively fascist, based on Kirk's opposition to abortion, gun control, DEI programs, and LGBT rights, um, has it never occurred to you that those sorts of social attitudes were normal mainstream majority opinion in WWII-era America, among precisely the people laying down their lives to save you and me from actual-for-realsies fascism? Have you bloody well forgotten which side America was on in WWII?!? That you anachronistically conflate "fascism" with late-20th- and 21st-century controversies is just yet more evidence for where Robinson got his memes from.

I had much respect for "conservatives." ... But NOT when they mutate into Trumpists.

I'm a liberal; I voted against Trump at least as many times as you did.

And by the way, Emily, your views on the Second Amendment are atrocious. Please stop blaming America's stupidities on the Founding Fathers. If they were alive to see what guns represent in America today, every single one would vote to expunge the stupidities of that Amendment. Every.Single.One.

Are you under the impression that your ability to insert extra punctuation into your assertions gives you extrasensory perception of dead people's minds? You have no information on how many Founding Fathers would still support the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Elixir]

WTF difference does it make if he was a left-wing psychotic, right-wing psychotic, up-wing psychotic, down-wing psychotic, north-wing psychotic, or a south-wing psychotic?

Fine, as long as he’s not West Wing psychotic; that’s a bridge too far.

 

[Bomb#20]

I have to say, this kind of situation really does exemplify what I have been saying about how those who have been apparently merely "rhetorically cheeky" up to now only did so as a pretext to support hate and horrors being visited on people, and that this was always where they were headed.

Yes, you were always Nazis, the word Nazi always applied, and none of it was a Godwin after all (although Godwin himself admitted that sometimes, the guy calling the other a Nazi... Well, sometimes in the current climate they are right!)

We always knew that fascism would come to the world wrapped in the visage of Christianity, but representing utter mal-social selfishness. It was written over 2000 years ago describing the actions of tyrants of the day and humanity at that scale is still the same as it ever was.

The hate will be spun so that it's image confuses people as to whether it is hate; the effects of the hate will be people harmed horribly and tortured all the same, but it will be presented to everyone else confusingly.

And that is what we see... Many words used to confuse the issue that Charlie Kirk was a fascist Nazi who hated gay people and preached that hate.

Any chance your alter ego is Barbos? Sorry, bad inside joke. Kirk wasn't a Nazi. The danger with considering that everyone is a Nazi, is that you'll be continuously at war with everyone, and the real enemy will grow in power. Just a thought...

This kind of equivocation isn't helping anything. No one compares "everyone" to Nazis.

That's not equivocation; it's hyperbole. Perfectly deserved hyperbole, considering how wildly sweeping and absurdly non-fact-based Jarhyn's accusations are.

People who know history compare those who espouse Nazi ideology to Nazis. Concepts like scientific racism, eugenics, anti-socialism, Aryan supremacy, and radical nationalism aren't inventions of "the left".

Are you actually defending Jarhyn? Are you seriously claiming that I and whomever else Jarhyn was addressing at IIDB "espouse Nazi ideology"? You know perfectly well you have never once seen me espouse any of the concepts you list except anti-socialism. And calling anti-socialism "Nazi ideology" is on a level with calling pro-freeway "Nazi ideology". Moreover, lest it be forgotten, the Nazis were for socialism before they were against it. Belatedly coming to your senses about just one of the myriad topics you're wrong about does not magically give you title to that topic.

 

[Bomb#20]

Hey, I get that logic isn't any of your strong suits -- if you were logical you wouldn't be leftists in the first place

Ahem.

In Bomb#20's defense, maybe he isn't insulting us.

You say that like insulting you would be a bad thing. Why, do you have some objection to insults, Mr. "your argument is clever, but it's evasive."? You said that to me because you are illogical and because you are malicious. You do not have an intellectually honest reason to accuse me of being evasive.

Maybe he cares about us in the same way Charlie Kirk cared about trans people--calling us defective for our own good.

Save your sarcasm for when you have a case. I didn't claim Kirk called trans people defective for their own good and you do not have an intellectually honest reason to insinuate that I did.

"If you were logical you wouldn't be leftists in the first place" yeah because the right wing has been known for its focus on incredible logical reasoning lately.

Yeah because if they weren't leftists in the first place they'd be the right wing. If logic were your strong suit then you'd know the right wing's lack of focus on logical reasoning has no bearing on whether leftists are logical, because you'd know a false dichotomy fallacy when you type one.

It's of course perfectly possible there's a logical leftist on IIDB; but then it's perfectly possible there's a teacup orbiting Jupiter -- burden-of-proof is on those who assert its existence. You three all appear to be taking exception to my opinion that such things do not exist. Can any of you point out a member who's both leftist and logical?

 

[southernhybrid]

Has anyone mentioned that people are being fired for criticizing Kirk or celebrating his death? The NPR article claims it's over 30, but an investigation by the NYT says it's over 140 who have been fired, including an EMT, a nurse, some college teachers, other teachers, etc. Many of these people removed their post on social media and then apologized but because of the pressure from the MAGA right, they ended up losing their jobs anyway. This place is the only social media I use, but I do wonder if the bots are reporting what we are posting.

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/13/nx-s1-5538476/charlie-kirk-jobs-target-social-media-critics-resign

Over thirty people across the country have been fired, put on leave, investigated or faced calls to resign because of social media posts criticizing Charlie Kirk or expressing schadenfreude about the conservative influencer's assassination earlier this week, according to an analysis by NPR.

​

And more may be to come: some GOP lawmakers and officials are signaling their readiness to punish people for their speech. Conservative activists are collecting and publicizing social media posts and profiles that they say "celebrated" his death and are calling for them to lose their jobs.

"If they have their picture on their profile, even without a name, download the picture and reverse image search it," posted right-wing influencer Joey Mannarino. "Cross-reference it with their LinkedIn profile and find their place of employment. Call the place of employment, leave Google reviews."

Some of the people I've read about have experienced death threats as well. The EMT had to move for her own safety. I read about her in the NYT but that article is so long, I doubt many of you would read it, so I haven't shared it.

NPR has compiled a list from news reports of 33 people who have lost their jobs or are under investigations over their posts as of Friday. Most were public school teachers, with at least 21 educators in school districts across the country fired, put on administrative leave or placed under investigation by their employers. Firefighters, members of the military, a sports reporter, an employee of the Carolina Panthers and a city council official in Indiana have faced similar treatment or calls to resign.

Among the earliest and most prominent firings was MSNBC analyst Matthew Dowd, a former Republican political consultant to President George W. Bush. As news of a shooting at a Kirk event began to spread, Dowd made commentson live television that soon after attracted widespread backlash from conservatives.

 

[Elixir]

It's of course perfectly possible there's a logical leftist on IIDB; but then it's perfectly possible there's a teacup orbiting Jupiter

Paint yourself with your broad-brush insults. It’s possible that there’s a rational criticism of leftists, but that’s not it.

Has anyone mentioned that people are being fired for criticizing Kirk or celebrating his death?

Fuck that little racist twerp and his tiny racist brain. The idea of punishing people for criticizing such an aberrant asshole is going to be correctly deemed symptomatic of deep societal malaise, in coming years.

 

[Elixir]

calling anti-socialism "Nazi ideology" is on a level with calling pro-freeway "Nazi ideology"

Wut? Freeways are a socialist creation. The “free” part should have been a clue. Pro-freeway is Antifa - go get ‘em!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

Trump's actions regarding Russia have clearly been in Russia's best interest, not America.No US President has acted towards Russia (as in blind favor for no US gain) as Trump has.

Obfuscate that all you want.

 

[Jarhyn]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

Trump's actions regarding Russia have clearly been in Russia's best interest, not America.No US President has acted towards Russia (as in blind favor for no US gain) as Trump has.

Obfuscate that all you want.

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There have been dozens of instances of democrats referring to him as an enemy of the country, that he's going to destroy democracy and set himself up as a tyrant, and is an existential threat to democracy. They've been saying this, in escalating forms, for nearly a decade - it started when we was running the first time, and it has never stopped. He's been repeatedly referred to as a russian asset, a spy, in Putin's pocket, and many other ways that insinuate that he's a traitor who should be barred from running for office and should be in jail.

... and there's not one hint nor shred of evidence that any of these accusations are untrue or unfair.

There's also not one hint or shred of evidence that it's untrue that a teapot is orbiting Mercury.

Since there is no evidence there is a teapot orbiting Mercury and there is evidence Trump is a traitor, I find your response extremely puzzling.

You think trump is a russian asset and a spy, and you think there's evidence of that? Are you one of those people who still insists that the pee tape is real?

Trump's actions regarding Russia have clearly been in Russia's best interest, not America.No US President has acted towards Russia (as in blind favor for no US gain) as Trump has.

Obfuscate that all you want.

Look, she clearly doesn't care that Trump is a child Rapist, that he walked in on beauty pageants contestants in various states of undress, or that some of those contestants were children.

She doesn't care that there is photographic evidence of Trump around a pool with very young and scantily clad girls.

She doesn't care that Epstien recruited underage girls already in Trump's employment.

Obviously, none of that other stuff could possibly be MORE compromising than a pee tape.

Of course, "the pee tape" is probably not an actual tape of someone getting peed on, it's likely photos of Trump banging a 13 year old. The "pee tape" is a fanciful interpretation of what the mystery kompromat is, a euphemism, somehow, because the reality is assuredly far worse than a golden shower clip.

Dude, not helping here.