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[WAB]

For the last several years, in the US, firearms have been the leading cause of death for children and teenagers, eclipsing automobile or other accidents, cancer and other diseases.

One of the reasons is that life has become so much safer for children and teenagers that others causes of death have become very rare. That's a good thing.
But you also have to consider that the risk of firearm death is much, much higher for teenagers than for children, and that's because teenagers who get killed with firearms are often participants in these crimes - for example, they get involved in robberies or are victims and perpetrators of gang shootings.

For example this one: Suspects in deadly shooting near Atlantic Station take guilty pleas

Without easy access to firearms, fewer minors would lose their lives to gun violence.

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

Gun deaths among U.S. kids rose 50% from 2019 to 2021 | Pew Research Center

In 2021, there were 2,590 gun deaths among U.S. children and teens under the age of 18, up from 1,732 in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

The number of children and teens killed by gunfire in the United States increased 50% between 2019 and 2021, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest annual mortality statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

What in the holy fuck?

?

I was referencing your crude, malicious, uncalled for comment about Derec that I bolded. That is:

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them. You need to read rule #7 of the IIDB rules. You really should apologize, IMHO.

Yeah I thought that was what you meant. And I agree with you.

 

[Toni]

I sincerely apologize if I broke any rules or offended anyone, including Derec.

I am often stunned by some of the logic applied as to whose lives and deaths matter and whose do not, based upon the posts of some of the posters here. My shock and disbelief created a longer and stronger than I realized effect which affected my judgement.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

For the last several years, in the US, firearms have been the leading cause of death for children and teenagers, eclipsing automobile or other accidents, cancer and other diseases.

One of the reasons is that life has become so much safer for children and teenagers that others causes of death have become very rare. That's a good thing.
But you also have to consider that the risk of firearm death is much, much higher for teenagers than for children, and that's because teenagers who get killed with firearms are often participants in these crimes - for example, they get involved in robberies or are victims and perpetrators of gang shootings.

For example this one: Suspects in deadly shooting near Atlantic Station take guilty pleas

Without easy access to firearms, fewer minors would lose their lives to gun violence.

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

Gun deaths among U.S. kids rose 50% from 2019 to 2021 | Pew Research Center

In 2021, there were 2,590 gun deaths among U.S. children and teens under the age of 18, up from 1,732 in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

The number of children and teens killed by gunfire in the United States increased 50% between 2019 and 2021, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest annual mortality statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

What in the holy fuck?

?

I was referencing your crude, malicious, uncalled for comment about Derec that I bolded. That is:

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them. You need to read rule #7 of the IIDB rules. You really should apologize, IMHO.

Yeah I thought that was what you meant. And I agree with you.

You're probably not aware of Derec's stance on Brooke Shields.

 

[thebeave]

What in the holy fuck?

?

thebeave was questioning the loaded text suggesting they care about the age or race of gun violence victims, when in reality, they simply don't care about gun violence victims (regardless of race or age) enough to suggest government needs to do anything more about firearms.

He can suggest away but I have a feeling he’d look at things differently if middle aged middle class white guys on their way to work were ‘collateral damage’ in gang wars.

These people didn't care enough to suggest any change when white elementary school children were mowed down in Connecticut.

This has nothing to do with race or age. It has everything to do with a sense of extreme overemphasis of personal freedom over that of public safety.

You are putting words in my mouth as usual. In my 24 years on this forum I have said very little about guns or gun control. I searched on myself under "guns" and found only one time where I contributed to a gun control discussion, and it was pretty basic milquetoast stuff. I mostly lurk and learn on this topic, as I don't feel I have the necessary knowledge about guns and gun control in general to make a meaningful contribution. My silence on the subject does not mean I want to see children mowed down with guns in school or don't care, which is what you seem to be implying. For what its worth (not that you will remember), I don't own a gun, I don't want to ever own a gun and I haven't fired a gun in decades. They are not a part of my life in any way. I'm not a staunch 2A advocate. I simply recognize that guns and the 2A is here and is not going away anytime soon. I don't have answers or strong opinions for how to cure the gun ills in this country. Whether its a "left wing" or "right wing" solution I don't give a shit. Just that they be effective, and definitely don't make matters worse.

On a lighter note, I came across this thread while searching my past comments on guns. Watch the video in the link. Its pretty hilarious. I think Ziprhead and myself are going to need to do a walk of shame for our comments.
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You Will Love This

 

[Elixir]

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them.

Try harder. Picture a fat orange skinned born millionaire pedo rapist fraudster grifter telling people who ask questions about their grifting and rape “Quiet, piggy!”

 

[WAB]

For the last several years, in the US, firearms have been the leading cause of death for children and teenagers, eclipsing automobile or other accidents, cancer and other diseases.

One of the reasons is that life has become so much safer for children and teenagers that others causes of death have become very rare. That's a good thing.
But you also have to consider that the risk of firearm death is much, much higher for teenagers than for children, and that's because teenagers who get killed with firearms are often participants in these crimes - for example, they get involved in robberies or are victims and perpetrators of gang shootings.

For example this one: Suspects in deadly shooting near Atlantic Station take guilty pleas

Without easy access to firearms, fewer minors would lose their lives to gun violence.

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

Gun deaths among U.S. kids rose 50% from 2019 to 2021 | Pew Research Center

In 2021, there were 2,590 gun deaths among U.S. children and teens under the age of 18, up from 1,732 in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

The number of children and teens killed by gunfire in the United States increased 50% between 2019 and 2021, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest annual mortality statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

What in the holy fuck?

?

I was referencing your crude, malicious, uncalled for comment about Derec that I bolded. That is:

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them. You need to read rule #7 of the IIDB rules. You really should apologize, IMHO.

Yeah I thought that was what you meant. And I agree with you.

You're probably not aware of Derec's stance on Brooke Shields.

Yeah, I was expecting a comment from you. I am just as aware of Derec's views as you or anyone. I've been here 21 yrs and I pay close attention.

Do you believe that Derec thinks anyone over 12 is fuckable, therefore they don't matter and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they're not white?

ETA: As far as guns go, I hate them, and have made probably dozens of posts over the years explaining my contempt for cowboy gunslingers and gun worship in American film and television. I am objecting to the ongoing and proliferating instances of exaggerated character assassination I see from a handful of members here.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

For the last several years, in the US, firearms have been the leading cause of death for children and teenagers, eclipsing automobile or other accidents, cancer and other diseases.

One of the reasons is that life has become so much safer for children and teenagers that others causes of death have become very rare. That's a good thing.
But you also have to consider that the risk of firearm death is much, much higher for teenagers than for children, and that's because teenagers who get killed with firearms are often participants in these crimes - for example, they get involved in robberies or are victims and perpetrators of gang shootings.

For example this one: Suspects in deadly shooting near Atlantic Station take guilty pleas

Without easy access to firearms, fewer minors would lose their lives to gun violence.

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

Gun deaths among U.S. kids rose 50% from 2019 to 2021 | Pew Research Center

In 2021, there were 2,590 gun deaths among U.S. children and teens under the age of 18, up from 1,732 in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

The number of children and teens killed by gunfire in the United States increased 50% between 2019 and 2021, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest annual mortality statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

What in the holy fuck?

?

I was referencing your crude, malicious, uncalled for comment about Derec that I bolded. That is:

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them. You need to read rule #7 of the IIDB rules. You really should apologize, IMHO.

Yeah I thought that was what you meant. And I agree with you.

You're probably not aware of Derec's stance on Brooke Shields.

Yeah, I was expecting a comment from you. I am just as aware of Derec's views as you or anyone. I've been here 21 yrs and I pay close attention.

Do you believe that Derec thinks anyone over 12 is fuckable, therefore they don't matter and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they're black?

Can you point me to a post of his where he gives reason to think he believes those things?

No but I can understand being mad that someone is splitting hairs between sexual abuse and sexual exploitation when the two frequently overlap.

 

[Jarhyn]

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them.

Try harder. Picture a fat orange skinned born millionaire pedo rapist fraudster grifter telling people who ask questions about their grifting and rape “Quiet, piggy!”

I will personally throw in any examples of folks who apologize for the fraudlent fat orange-skinned born millionaire pedophile rapist grifter along with that, mostly because in order to defend him, they have to look very loudly away from all those descriptors and yet they do it anyway.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

 

[WAB]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

Toni said he thinks anyone over 12 DESERVES to die, especially if they're not white.

Are you not able to distinguish that from someone "not caring" if one particular individual died?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

Toni said he thinks anyone over 12 DESERVES to die, especially if they're not white.

Are you not able to distinguish that from someone "not caring" if one particular individual died?

Nope I don't think he thinks anyone over 12 deserves to die. He doesn't really care if a 12 year old who was waving a pellet gun died though.

 

[Toni]

For the last several years, in the US, firearms have been the leading cause of death for children and teenagers, eclipsing automobile or other accidents, cancer and other diseases.

One of the reasons is that life has become so much safer for children and teenagers that others causes of death have become very rare. That's a good thing.
But you also have to consider that the risk of firearm death is much, much higher for teenagers than for children, and that's because teenagers who get killed with firearms are often participants in these crimes - for example, they get involved in robberies or are victims and perpetrators of gang shootings.

For example this one: Suspects in deadly shooting near Atlantic Station take guilty pleas

Without easy access to firearms, fewer minors would lose their lives to gun violence.

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

Gun deaths among U.S. kids rose 50% from 2019 to 2021 | Pew Research Center

In 2021, there were 2,590 gun deaths among U.S. children and teens under the age of 18, up from 1,732 in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

The number of children and teens killed by gunfire in the United States increased 50% between 2019 and 2021, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest annual mortality statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

What in the holy fuck?

?

I was referencing your crude, malicious, uncalled for comment about Derec that I bolded. That is:

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them. You need to read rule #7 of the IIDB rules. You really should apologize, IMHO.

Yeah I thought that was what you meant. And I agree with you.

You're probably not aware of Derec's stance on Brooke Shields.

Yeah, I was expecting a comment from you. I am just as aware of Derec's views as you or anyone. I've been here 21 yrs and I pay close attention.

Do you believe that Derec thinks anyone over 12 is fuckable, therefore they don't matter and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they're not white?

ETA: As far as guns go, I hate them, and have made probably dozens of posts over the years explaining my contempt for cowboy gunslingers and gun worship in American film and television. I am objecting to the ongoing and proliferating instances of exaggerated character assassination I see from a handful of members here.

Do you remember the thread on the death of Tamir Rice? I do. More than one poster blamed the twelve year old playing in the park for his death at the hands of police.

More than one poster has no problem with Blue Lagoon or Pretty Baby starring a young girl.

Perhaps that should not affect me as much as it does.

Perhaps that should bother people more than it does.

 

[WAB]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

Toni said he thinks anyone over 12 DESERVES to die, especially if they're not white.

Are you not able to distinguish that from someone "not caring" if one particular individual died?

Nope I don't think he thinks anyone over 12 deserves to die. He doesn't really care if a 12 year old who was waving a pellet gun died though.

That may be, and if so that would reflect poorly on him indeed. But there is a world of difference between saying someone is indifferent to someone else being killed than saying they believe that 'all people in category X DESERVE to die violet deaths'!

How is that so hard to grasp?

This is supposed to be a discussion group, where there are rules. Please, please try and grasp one simple thing: I am not defending a person so much as a principle, the principle of civil and fair discussion. I have a respect for truth, and whether I have any for Derec is beside the point.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

Toni said he thinks anyone over 12 DESERVES to die, especially if they're not white.

Are you not able to distinguish that from someone "not caring" if one particular individual died?

Nope I don't think he thinks anyone over 12 deserves to die. He doesn't really care if a 12 year old who was waving a pellet gun died though.

That may be, and if so that would reflect poorly on him indeed. But there is a world of difference between saying someone is indifferent to someone else being killed and suggesting that 'all people in category X DESERVE to die violet deaths' !

Well, I would suggest there's also a world of difference between not caring if a child dies and not caring if an adult dies, that's my opinion though.

 

[WAB]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

Toni said he thinks anyone over 12 DESERVES to die, especially if they're not white.

Are you not able to distinguish that from someone "not caring" if one particular individual died?

Nope I don't think he thinks anyone over 12 deserves to die. He doesn't really care if a 12 year old who was waving a pellet gun died though.

That may be, and if so that would reflect poorly on him indeed. But there is a world of difference between saying someone is indifferent to someone else being killed and suggesting that 'all people in category X DESERVE to die violet deaths' !

Well, I would suggest there's also a world of difference between not caring if a child dies and not caring if an adult dies, that's my opinion though.

I agree.

 

[Toni]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

Toni said he thinks anyone over 12 DESERVES to die, especially if they're not white.

Are you not able to distinguish that from someone "not caring" if one particular individual died?

Nope I don't think he thinks anyone over 12 deserves to die. He doesn't really care if a 12 year old who was waving a pellet gun died though.

That may be, and if so that would reflect poorly on him indeed. But there is a world of difference between saying someone is indifferent to someone else being killed than saying they believe that 'all people in category X DESERVE to die violet deaths'!

How is that so hard to grasp?

This is supposed to be a discussion group, where there are rules. Please, please try and grasp one simple thing: I am not defending a person so much as a principle, the principle of civil and fair discussion. I have a respect for truth, and whether I have any for Derec is beside the point.

That’s not quite what I wrote. But point taken. The lack of concern for 12 year old Brooke Shields or 14 year old Brooke Shields or 12 year old Tamir Rice must be limited to those specific instances. Just as I am certain that most members of the NRA would never shoot up a school and love their own children and wouldn’t want anything bad to help them.

 

[laughing dog]

Wait, are we pretending Derec cares about whether or not certain people die when he literally doesn't care if George Floyd died?

Toni said he thinks anyone over 12 DESERVES to die, especially if they're not white.

Are you not able to distinguish that from someone "not caring" if one particular individual died?

Nope I don't think he thinks anyone over 12 deserves to die. He doesn't really care if a 12 year old who was waving a pellet gun died though.

That may be, and if so that would reflect poorly on him indeed. But there is a world of difference between saying someone is indifferent to someone else being killed than saying they believe that 'all people in category X DESERVE to die violet deaths'!

How is that so hard to grasp?

I think once someone chooses to read Toni’s comment within the context of both Derec’s and her posting history, one might charitably interpret that “deserve” to be “deserved” and ask if that was the intended meaning. That would be more in tune with the goal of civil and fair discussion.

 

[thebeave]

I sincerely apologize if I broke any rules or offended anyone, including Derec.

I am often stunned by some of the logic applied as to whose lives and deaths matter and whose do not, based upon the posts of some of the posters here. My shock and disbelief created a longer and stronger than I realized effect which affected my judgement.

Well, that is appreciated. I don't get what it was about his response though, that set you off. He showed a graph about firearm deaths and the age of children. If you question the validity of the graph, then just ask him where the data came from. Assuming the graph is not bullshit, it seems like good information to know, if you are interested in actually reducing firearm deaths. You can focus your efforts on areas where it matters most and will save the most lives. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[Elixir]

Re firearms … Someone clue me in - what is the objection to the Australian model? Not enough guns (for some noble purpose)?

 

[thebeave]

For the last several years, in the US, firearms have been the leading cause of death for children and teenagers, eclipsing automobile or other accidents, cancer and other diseases.

One of the reasons is that life has become so much safer for children and teenagers that others causes of death have become very rare. That's a good thing.
But you also have to consider that the risk of firearm death is much, much higher for teenagers than for children, and that's because teenagers who get killed with firearms are often participants in these crimes - for example, they get involved in robberies or are victims and perpetrators of gang shootings.

For example this one: Suspects in deadly shooting near Atlantic Station take guilty pleas

Without easy access to firearms, fewer minors would lose their lives to gun violence.

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

Gun deaths among U.S. kids rose 50% from 2019 to 2021 | Pew Research Center

In 2021, there were 2,590 gun deaths among U.S. children and teens under the age of 18, up from 1,732 in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

The number of children and teens killed by gunfire in the United States increased 50% between 2019 and 2021, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest annual mortality statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

What in the holy fuck?

?

I was referencing your crude, malicious, uncalled for comment about Derec that I bolded. That is:

I never quite get how it is that to you, once someone is over the age of 12, they no longer count: they are fuckable and deserve to die violent deaths, especially if they are not white.

It is hard for me to imagine anyone so vile that that would accurately describe them. You need to read rule #7 of the IIDB rules. You really should apologize, IMHO.

Yeah I thought that was what you meant. And I agree with you.

You're probably not aware of Derec's stance on Brooke Shields.

I looked up his "stance" on Brooke Shields. It was a dark comedy joke about Brooke playing the role of Ginger on "Epstein's Island" given she's a minor and lived on an island in the movie "The Blue Lagoon" (similar to "Gilligan's Island). He's not expressing any lust for her or wishing her to die a violent death.