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Climate Change(d)?

Bike lanes are not actually useful for reducing CO2 anyway. While bikes are good for fitness and are efficient when looked at directly they have an exceedingly inefficient power source and thus are not green.
That's possibly true if the alternative to cycling to work is hibernating. In the real world, people consume calories when they're not cycling too, and often times trade their 1-hour daily workout from going into work by bike with skipping their morning run or their visit at the gym, so the overall effect on their intake might well be 0.
 
I am starting to wonder about all this climate change stuff.

I mean really, we have had the 6th coldest April on record.
Climate changed is real. The last several years have been having month, season, and year length records (or top 5s) in precip and temperature. Last summer, multiple continents recorded the hottest temps since we started taking measurements. You're in Seattle, you should remember that heat wave you guys had.

April in NE Ohio has been all over the place... a typical April.
 
The last year that was globally on average cooler than 1998 (the hottest year of the 20th century) was 2012. The last year that was cooler than 1997, the last century's second hottest year, was 2000. Just let this sink: Every single year from 2013 through 2021 (that's nine subsequent years) was warmer than the warmest ever recorded before 2000. Or in other words: 10 of the 10 hottest years on record (and 19 of the 20 hottest) were this century. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series/globe/land_ocean/ann/3/1880-2021

Remember those people who, back in the early 00s while 1998 was still holding its all-time record, preached that global warming had come to a halt? Well, should anyone say the same about 2016, just show them what happened (and teach them a sentence or two about the sun's decadal fluctuations, about el Nino, and about random noise).
 
I am starting to wonder about all this climate change stuff.

I mean really, we have had the 6th coldest April on record.
Climate changed is real. The last several years have been having month, season, and year length records (or top 5s) in precip and temperature. Last summer, multiple continents recorded the hottest temps since we started taking measurements. You're in Seattle, you should remember that heat wave you guys had.

April in NE Ohio has been all over the place... a typical April.
From what I her NE Ohio is a cosmic weather vortex. Heat is leaking in from another universe.
 
I am starting to wonder about all this climate change stuff.

I mean really, we have had the 6th coldest April on record.
Please read up on earth's movements. Its orbit is by no means constant, and rarely actually circular. The variations result in climatic cycles ranging from seven to 413,000 years. One thing none of them can account for is the sudden spike of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

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Bike lanes are not actually useful for reducing CO2 anyway. While bikes are good for fitness and are efficient when looked at directly they have an exceedingly inefficient power source and thus are not green.
That's possibly true if the alternative to cycling to work is hibernating. In the real world, people consume calories when they're not cycling too, and often times trade their 1-hour daily workout from going into work by bike with skipping their morning run or their visit at the gym, so the overall effect on their intake might well be 0.
Yeah, if it simply replaces another workout it's green. I'm saying it's not green compared to mass transit and IIRC not even against cars.
 
I am starting to wonder about all this climate change stuff.

I mean really, we have had the 6th coldest April on record.
Please read up on earth's movements. Its orbit is by no means constant, and rarely actually circular. The variations result in climatic cycles ranging from seven to 413,000 years. One thing none of them can account for is the sudden spike of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

2535_203_co2-graph-021116-1280px.jpg
Reallly? I thought it all had to do with cow farts and methane.

At this point after all tye dente on the forum with the ignorant I can not always be serious. Call it comic relief.
 
There has been recent debate in the media over how green green really is. One augment makes EVs inclusive ofbattery material aas bD s gas cars.

One person claimed wind turbibes are not really 'greene'.

The truth everything modern humns do has a negative environmental impact of some kind. Some objected to a large scale desert solar electric farm. It disruped the ecosysm of a small retrile.

Unless we want to drastcally reduce population and libve a more triballike non manufacturing society the question is how best to minimize environemnetal impact.

With a chnge to non fossil energy EVs are going to have a dramatic positive effect on urban life.

In the news the Biden administration is said to be funding support to keep nuclear power going.

The problem with EVs is all the electronics are being added that decreasing energy effiviency and increasing cposts.
 
Any impacts of climate (change?) will not be any worse than what has been experienced before.
So, much of Europe and North America under three kilometres of ice, for example?

Or a world without any permanent ice, in which palm trees and crocodilians are happily living above the Arctic Circle?

Those are the extremes of 'what has been experienced before'*, and it does seem trivial. now that you mention it. :rolleyes:

*Assuming we discount the Hadean Era, when median surface temperatures were in the order of 2,600°C

Thank you, bilby.

We are fortunate to have a Member who doesn't understand climate change, yet is willing to parrot the Hannity-Jones party line, or whatever it is. Listening to such views can only aid in understanding the growing gap in American cognition.

But TSwizzle is unwilling or unable to articulate his confusion. Is he looking forward to crocodiles in the Arctic? Or just confused that it snowed in Michigan last month? Nobody — including TSwizzle himself apparently — knows!

I admire your patience, bilby.
 
After 53 Earth Days, Society Still Hasn't Collapsed. Cassandra in Greek mythology was the Trojan priestess who was cursed to utter true prophecies but never to be believed. Ideological environmentalism features a cohort of reverse Cassandras: They make false prophecies that are widely believed. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich in his 1968 classic, The Population Bomb, prophesied, "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now." Ehrlich continues to predict imminent overpopulation doom.

Reason
 
After 53 Earth Days, Society Still Hasn't Collapsed. Cassandra in Greek mythology was the Trojan priestess who was cursed to utter true prophecies but never to be believed. Ideological environmentalism features a cohort of reverse Cassandras: They make false prophecies that are widely believed. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich in his 1968 classic, The Population Bomb, prophesied, "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now." Ehrlich continues to predict imminent overpopulation doom.

Reason
Paul Ehrlich's Malthusian prediction of worldwide famines in the 1970s and 1980s due to overpopulation turned out to be utterly wrong. That, and other predictions which missed the mark, disprove anthropomorphic global warming, amiright?
 
After 53 Earth Days, Society Still Hasn't Collapsed. Cassandra in Greek mythology was the Trojan priestess who was cursed to utter true prophecies but never to be believed. Ideological environmentalism features a cohort of reverse Cassandras: They make false prophecies that are widely believed. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich in his 1968 classic, The Population Bomb, prophesied, "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now." Ehrlich continues to predict imminent overpopulation doom.

Reason
Paul Ehrlich's Malthusian prediction of worldwide famines in the 1970s and 1980s due to overpopulation turned out to be utterly wrong. That, and other predictions which missed the marsk, disprove anthropomorphic global warming, amiright?
Malthusian predictions were based on crop yields per acre of the day. The food shortfall has been put off by science based strains and mechanized efficient agriculture.

In my 80s energy text peak oil was predicted in the general time frame of the last 30 years. New exploration techniques and techniques like fracking have put off the oil shortfall.


Ukraine goes to war and people in India go hungry from whet shortfalls. India can not feed its own people.

California even without drought and climate has had a serous water problem for farming for a long time.


The idea that population can grow without bond to support growing economies and being able to feed everyone at some minimum nutrion level is a fantasy.
 
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Population growth in the mid twentieth century was an existential threat to humanity, similar to that posed by climate change today.

But the conclusion "Population growth went away, therefore climate change will also go away" is nonsense - neither problem can be solved without direct action to solve it.

There are only two possible outcomes for a world in which population is growing exponentially. Either lots of people are going to have to die, or people are going to have to have fewer children.

Similarly, there are two possible outcomes for carbon dioxide emissions. Either lots of people are going to have to die, or people are going to have to burn dramatically less fossil fuel.

In the 1960s, the received wisdom (from mostly male anthropologists and demographers) was that women wanted large families, so only totalitarian measures to reduce family sizes could prevent ongoing population growth.

Today, the received wisdom is that people demand fossil fuel energy, so only totalitarian measures to reduce energy use can prevent carbon dioxide emissions.

Both assessments missed a vital technological solution.

It turns out that educated women, on average, don't want large families. They had large families, because they didn't have access to reliable and effective contraception. The population bomb was defused by the invention and development of the oral contraceptive pill, and population growth is now limited to places where access to the pill, or to good primary education for girls, or both, are absent.

Similarly, we have a technological solution to carbon emissions that doesn't require a mythical population of people who like living without large amounts of energy that is reliable and consistent (and, vitally, isn't affected by extreme weather).

The existence of a technological solution isn't sufficient; We need to see a demand for it, so that it's widely implemented.

The idea that "population growth was never a real problem, people just got really panicked over nothing" is nonsense. Population growth was an existential threat, and it was only the wide adoption of a technological solution that averted that threat.

Climate change is also an existential threat; We need a massive program of replacing fossil fuel energy with nuclear fission energy to avert this threat.

There are still many people today who, oblivious of the demographic impact of the oral contraceptive, are terrified by population growth. Those people are worrying about a non-problem - but their predecessors who were worried about the same problem back in the '60s and '70s were right to worry, and mostly missed the fact that a technological solution had already been demonstrated, and just needed wider use to resolve the whole issue.

There are also people who are oblivious to pretty much everything, and who just know that population growth went away without them personally doing anything, and that therefore climate change will similarly go away without anything significant changing in the world. These people are dangerously uninformed.
 
This is how unhinged the climate cultists are;

An Extinction Rebellion chief has been slammed for proposing to 'euthanise boomers' in retaliation for climate change. Environmental radical Jessica Townsend, 59, said 'rich boomers' would be the 'first to go' under her sick purge even though she herself is a so-called boomer.

Daily Mail

A rapture like cult.
 
This is how unhinged the climate cultists are;

An Extinction Rebellion chief has been slammed for proposing to 'euthanise boomers' in retaliation for climate change. Environmental radical Jessica Townsend, 59, said 'rich boomers' would be the 'first to go' under her sick purge even though she herself is a so-called boomer.

Daily Mail

A rapture like cult.
Nice job quoting kooks in a paper that doesn't care about the truth anyway.
 
[Let's go Brandon!]

Daily Mail

A rapture like cult.
Nice job quoting kooks in a paper that doesn't care about the truth anyway.

I thought this was a step up for Mr. Swizzle. His previous quote was from Reason: a "think tank" founded by an Ayn Randist and with Drew Carey — game show host and one-time WWE wrestler — as front-man.

Perhaps the "think tank" Reason is a rarity on the right-wing, with "thinkers" allowed independent "thought." Wikipedia informs us that Drew Carey is in the rapture-like cult!

But alas! Apparently neither Reason nor the Daily Mail has supplied Mr. Swizzle with the ability to answer the question I and others have asked him: What the F**k is he talking about?!
 
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