Climate Change(d)?

[lpetrich]

Matthew Gertz on Twitter: "Telling my audience of seniors to step out into the orange cloud and take a deep breath to own the libs. (pic link)" / Twitter

Matthew Gertz on Twitter: "Fox guest: There's just no health risk...We have this kind of air in India and China all the time, no public health emergency... this doesn't kill anybody, this doesn't make anybody cough, this is not a health event... particulate matter is just very fine soot, they're innocuous. (vid link)" / Twitter

Matthew Gertz on Twitter: "Fox’s handling of the Canadian wildfires is a speed run of its deadly COVID coverage: The danger is overblown, masks are for losers, smoke isn’t that bad for you. (pic link)" / Twitter

Thus denying something well-established: Wildfires and Your Health - Moms Clean Air Force - "Immediate health impacts of smoke inhalation can include coughing, difficulty breathing, eye irritation, scratchy throat, runny nose, chest pain, headaches, and asthma attacks. Smoke inhalation can also exacerbate preexisting conditions, like heart disease."

The forests that are burning are well away from populated areas. Most of Canada's population is near that nation's southern border, its border with the contiguous US. Population Density of Canada 2021/2022 – Canada Population

Almost twice as many Republicans than Democrats died of Covid, study says | The Independent - Thursday 17 November 2022 17:52 - "The gap in death rates between the parties grew substantially after the vaccines were introduced"

So by listening to the likes of Fox News, they may make themselves vulnerable to wildfire smoke.

 

[lpetrich]

Pollution's death toll remains high, killing more people than war or malaria - May 17, 2022, 3:30 PM PDT - Pollution is causing many people to die earlier than they would have otherwise, both globally and in the U.S., according to two new studies.

noting
Pollution and health: a progress update - The Lancet Planetary Health

The Lancet Commission on pollution and health reported that pollution was responsible for 9 million premature deaths in 2015, making it the world's largest environmental risk factor for disease and premature death.

and
Nationwide and Regional PM2.5‐Related Air Quality Health Benefits From the Removal of Energy‐Related Emissions in the United States

Fuller's report is one of two this week that have sounded the alarm about the insidious danger of pollution. The second study, published Monday, looked at the U.S. and calculated that 53,000 premature deaths could be prevented per year in the country if all energy-related emissions were eliminated.

Fuller's study found that more than 90 percent of pollution-related deaths occur in low- and middle-income countries. The countries with the highest pollution-related deaths in 2019 were India, China, Nigeria, Pakistan and Indonesia.

Air pollution — from sources like vehicles, power plants and crop burning — is the most dire threat, since it was responsible for more than 6.5 million deaths in 2019, more than any other form of pollution that year. Air pollution increases the risk of heart disease, respiratory infections, lung cancer, tuberculosis, chronic respiratory disease, diabetes, kidney disease and low birth weight, all of which can lead to premature death.

The Lancet Commission on pollution and health - The Lancet - "Diseases caused by pollution were responsible for an estimated 9 million premature deaths in 2015—16% of all deaths worldwide—three times more deaths than from AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria combined and 15 times more than from all wars and other forms of violence."

His new report suggests that deaths from household air and water pollution have declined since 2000, while deaths from outdoor air pollution and toxic chemicals have risen more than 66 percent since then.

That's in part due to the growth of developing economies, a process that often leads to improvements in household sanitation while simultaneously increasing the use of industrial chemicals and fossil fuels, experts said.

 

[lpetrich]

Scientists have also identified increasing amounts of toxic chemicals in household items like spices, paint, children's toys and cosmetics. In 2019, lead and other chemicals were responsible for 1.8 million deaths globally — up from 900,000 in 2000, the report found.

Lead alone now kills more people worldwide than HIV, Fuller said. Other forms of chemical pollution may be severely underestimated, he added.

"We're not measuring mercury or pesticides or chromium or arsenic or asbestos," he said. "If we were to measure properly all of the different chemical exposures, it's probably as big as air pollution."

Back to air pollution.

The U.S. has already improved its air quality dramatically: Between 1990 and 2020, the country saw a 78 percent decline in the combined emissions of six common pollutants. But Monday's study underscored that there's more to be done.
If the U.S. eliminated emissions from road vehicles, for instance, that could prevent around 11,700 premature deaths, the study estimated. Eliminating emissions from the electricity sector could prevent another 9,300 deaths.

"We have the technologies available to get us to essentially an emissions-free electricity sector nationwide in the U.S.," said Nicholas Mailloux, the lead author of that study and a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. "Some other sectors will be trickier, like aviation."

"Obviously, that doesn't happen overnight," Mailloux added. "There will be a decadeslong process of ratcheting down emissions on the scale that we show."

A good reason to invest in electric cars and electric-car infrastructure, though we need good alternatives to lithium-ion batteries.

 

[lpetrich]

Lancet study: Pollution killed 2.3 million Indians in 2019 - BBC News - 18 May 2022

Toxic smog turns India's capital "into a gas chamber" - CBS News - November 4, 2022 / 9:00 AM

Authorities in India stepped up efforts on Friday to address deteriorating air quality as farmers burning crop stubble and calmer winter winds left a thick blanket of haze and smog to choke residents across the Delhi capital region. Factories, construction sites and primary schools were ordered to shut down and Delhi authorities urged people to work from home as dangerous fine particle pollution filled the air.

Air pollution 2nd biggest health risk in India, annual economic cost over USD 150 billion: Report - India Today - Mar 24, 2022 08:32 IST

Air pollution in China is killing 4,000 people every day, a new study finds | China | The Guardian - Thu 13 Aug 2015 21.24 EDT - "Physicists at the University of California have found 1.6 million people in China die each year from heart, lung and stroke problems because of polluted air"

Smog forces Bangkok schools to close, but air quality set to improve | The Straits Times - Feb 4, 2023, 9:35 PM SGT

UK study adds to evidence of air pollution link to long-term illness | Air pollution | The Guardian - Fri 30 Dec 2022 01.00 EST - "Research found greater chances of multiple chronic illnesses in people living in polluted areas"


September 11th Attacks: Former EPA Head Apologizes | Time - September 10, 2016 1:21 PM EDT

 

[DBT]

Doesn't paint a rosy picture, that's for sure.

 

[steve_bank]

I agree. it is already upon us in a big way.

A highway bridge in the region has to be raised. Higher ocean levels and tides are swamping the bridge.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/17/world/four-climate-charts-extreme-weather-heat-oceans/index.html

Please explain how the ocean temperature is at record heat due to heat islands messing with the data.

 

[steve_bank]

I'm not going to wade through the link. Did I just make a pun?

The ocean temperature is not uniform so I'd say the publicly stated temperature rise is an estmate from many measurements at many locations and depths.

What is the ocean current average temperature?
The average temperature of the sea surface is about 20° C (68° F), but it ranges from more than 30° C (86° F) in warm tropical regions to less than 0°C at high latitudes. In most of the ocean, the water becomes colder with increasing depth.Mar 18, 2014

What is the average temperature of the ocean by depth?
Temperatures in the oceans decrease with increasing depth. There are no seasonal changes at the greater depths. The temperature range extends from 30 °C (86 °F) at the sea surface to −1 °C (30.2 °F) at the seabed.

I do not know the method for ocean analysis but one general method is finite element analysis. You break a the object into small volumes each with a set of parameters. For termal anaysis it coud be thermal coefficient of expansion, heat capacity, temperature convection, temperature ivhamhe, and change in volume-density.

It involves solving systems of partial differential equations, a bit above my pay grade.

For modeling the ocean in tot one could break it down into 3d regions with boundary conditions between regions. Dong an approximation pf average temperature with a small set of regions would not be hard.

Two major issues are rising sea levels or thermal expansion, and surface temperature driving storms.

Or simply sail around the oceans and measure temperature at surface and several depths. It could be done with instrumented sea drones which already exist.

In the global ocean, the TEC varies from 0.3 × 10−4 °C−1 near the freezing temperature (≤0 ° C) to 3.5 × 10−4 °C−1 in tropical waters. In contrast, the saline contraction coefficient β varies by less than 10% in the ocean and can be considered constant to a good approximation.Nov 16, 202

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm not going to wade through the link. Did I just make a pun?

The ocean temperature is not uniform so I'd say the publicly stated temperature rise is an estmate from many measurements at many locations and depths.

I was addressing the deniers. They keep claiming the rising temperature is errors due to heat islands and I asked how that raises ocean temperature as one of the things in my link is showing ocean temperatures at record high.

 

[steve_bank]

Ok. It is difficult for me visually to skim through lengthy links.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ok. It is difficult for me visually to skim through lengthy links.

It was an article about various measures showing how it has gotten warmer over this century. Lengthy because it had a lot of evidence.

 

[steve_bank]

Myfitrst response in a debate would be that ocean temperature is a measured not theoretical value.

It is what it is.

An congruent that a hot spot is heating the ocean and not greenhouse gasses wiud be refuted by thermodynamics and ocean models. At that scale above my pay grade for details.

The basic equation is q = m*c*dT where q is heat in Joules, m mass in kg and T temperature in Kelvins. Plenty of examples om the net.

An argument of ocean temperature rise would have to show that the energy in the source can cause te rise in temperature. for a hot spot cause

 

[Shadowy Man]

This paper has a good summary of the various techniques to measure ocean heat content:

"Measuring Global Ocean Heat Content to Estimate the Earth Energy Imbalance" by Meyssignac et al. (2019)

 

[TSwizzle]

Maybe those in denial will face reality when they don't have access to water.

Incredible pictures show California's Lake Oroville full of water following a crippling drought that left it at a critically low level. Stunning images of the Enterprise Bridge provide a comparison between it in July of 2021 and June 2023 - when the reservoir was filled completely for the first time since 2012. In late 2021, Oroville's water levels dipped to their lowest ever at just over 628 feet, or 24 percent capacity. Whereas now, levels are measuring at 100 percent capacity, and 127 percent of where they usually are around this time of year. California's largest reservoir, about 120 miles north of Lake Oroville, is also close to full - reaching almost 97 percent capacity last week.

Daily Mail

California has always had periods of drought. Some of those periods have been quite lengthy.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Maybe those in denial will face reality when they don't have access to water.

Incredible pictures show California's Lake Oroville full of water following a crippling drought that left it at a critically low level. Stunning images of the Enterprise Bridge provide a comparison between it in July of 2021 and June 2023 - when the reservoir was filled completely for the first time since 2012. In late 2021, Oroville's water levels dipped to their lowest ever at just over 628 feet, or 24 percent capacity. Whereas now, levels are measuring at 100 percent capacity, and 127 percent of where they usually are around this time of year. California's largest reservoir, about 120 miles north of Lake Oroville, is also close to full - reaching almost 97 percent capacity last week.

Daily Mail

California has always had periods of drought. Some of those periods have been quite lengthy.

indeed. I went to high school in Los Angeles during one of them. I remember having to eat lunch indoors due to rain only about twice in three years.

However, that does not invalidate current global climate change concerns.

 

[Elixir]

Lake Powell is up over forty feet from its low point. Lake Meade is up about 8 feet from Glen Canyon releases. Big unpredictable, rapid changes in local and regional weather patterns are a predicted “symptom” of (are consistent with) climate change.

 

[TSwizzle]

However, that does not invalidate current global climate change concerns.

"Concerns"?!

LOL, yeah if that is what you want to call the end of times, rapture bullshit that gets trotted out by the climate change cult.

 

[Shadowy Man]

However, that does not invalidate current global climate change concerns.

"Concerns"?!

LOL, yeah if that is what you want to call the end of times, rapture bullshit that gets trotted out by the climate change cult.

As I have indicated to you before, I don't get my climate change knowledge from the same sources as you, so I don't pay attention to the so-called "bullshit".

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Maybe those in denial will face reality when they don't have access to water.

Incredible pictures show California's Lake Oroville full of water following a crippling drought that left it at a critically low level. Stunning images of the Enterprise Bridge provide a comparison between it in July of 2021 and June 2023 - when the reservoir was filled completely for the first time since 2012. In late 2021, Oroville's water levels dipped to their lowest ever at just over 628 feet, or 24 percent capacity. Whereas now, levels are measuring at 100 percent capacity, and 127 percent of where they usually are around this time of year. California's largest reservoir, about 120 miles north of Lake Oroville, is also close to full - reaching almost 97 percent capacity last week.

Daily Mail

California has always had periods of drought. Some of those periods have been quite lengthy.

But what's the groundwater like?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Maybe those in denial will face reality when they don't have access to water.

Incredible pictures show California's Lake Oroville full of water following a crippling drought that left it at a critically low level. Stunning images of the Enterprise Bridge provide a comparison between it in July of 2021 and June 2023 - when the reservoir was filled completely for the first time since 2012. In late 2021, Oroville's water levels dipped to their lowest ever at just over 628 feet, or 24 percent capacity. Whereas now, levels are measuring at 100 percent capacity, and 127 percent of where they usually are around this time of year. California's largest reservoir, about 120 miles north of Lake Oroville, is also close to full - reaching almost 97 percent capacity last week.

Daily Mail

California has always had periods of drought. Some of those periods have been quite lengthy.

But what's the groundwater like?

California Water