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And we are approaching a marine heat wave potentially in half of the ocean this summer. Now, I know that ocean temps are impacted because the thermometers are all near airports, but plenty of ocean space is at record highs for this time of year.
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The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in late June warned that half of the world's oceans may experience marine heat wave conditions by September. Research scientist Dillon Amaya said that in the organization's Physical Sciences Laboratory's decades of measurement, such widespread high temperatures had never been seen.
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As a reminder, water is a fluid, fluids have higher specific heats, which means it takes more energy to warm up than a gas, about 4 times for water compared to air. The ocean is a heat sink (or energy source as well).

All the goading about cults and what not. The climate changed, and it is changing from that point. We have likely already reached a point of no easy return. The best we can do is lower our emissions, which means CO2 will continue to increase in the atmosphere and the energy stored in the atmosphere and oceans will increase. We can likely stop emitting any CO2 and it'd take time for the atmosphere to stop heating up.

It is funny how we can have more 100 / 1000 yr rain/flood events, and it is a cult to recognize it is happening / we are causing it / it is costing money, destroying property, making life more complicated, but some homeless guy craps in a person's front yard, and that is a catastrophe.
 
Meanwhile, in the super El Nino, the Southern US is going to continue to bake and right now, at a higher than usual temp for this time of year (it is summer, remember). The issue with this heat wave is going to be the duration. Which honestly, has been the issue lately. The midwest and northwest in the la Nina years saw a decent amount of enduring heat. Short lived heat waves are one thing, a week plus of it is when people get sick or die. Heat exhaustion isn't about the highs, it is about the lows and continued daily exposure.

Phoenix is looking to break an all-time record for most days to reach 110 in a row. The low temps forecasted are 90 degrees for at least the next week. Meanwhile, the water surrounding Florida is too warm to be comfortable in. o_O Let that sink it. The Gulf surface is warmer than Phoenix at night. And it is only July!
 
A lake in Canada proves we’re in the Anthropocene, a new climate epoch - Vox - "The holy grail for understanding the start of the Anthropocene lies at the bottom of a lake in Canada."

What's this about?

Geologists mark out geological time with temporal landmarks, features of the geological record that formed at some time. In recent years, they have made that marking out very precise:
The best-known one is the iridium-abundance spike at the Mesozoic-Cenozoic boundary, a spike at the time of a well-known mass extinction.

Another one is at the beginning of the Cambrian Era and the Phanerozoic Eon, the first appearance of the fossil Treptichnus pedum, some fossilized worm burrows.

Looking closer to home, the Holocene Epoch, the interglacial that we are currently living in, is defined as beginning at the end of the Younger Dryas cold event, about 11,650 BP ("Before Present", where "Present" is 1950 CE), or 9701 BCE.

The Holocene was recently divided into three ages, the Greenlandian, Northgrippian, and Meghalayan. The first two were named after the  North Greenland Ice Core Project and the third after Meghalaya, India, where Mawmluh Cave contains a temporal landmark.

11,650 BP, 9701 BCE -- Greenlandian -- 8,276 BP, 6326 BCE -- Northgrippian -- 4,200 BP, 2251 BCE -- Meghalayan -- (the present)

 North Greenland Ice Core Project
 8.2-kiloyear event -- a cold snap
 4.2-kiloyear event - a major drought that caused the collapse of the Old Kingdom in Egypt and the Akkadian Empire in Iraq

A millennium after that last event, the  Late Bronze Age collapse happened, at least in part caused by droughts. But it was not used to mark out some geological time.

So we live in the:
  • Phanerozoic Eon
  • Cenozoic Era
  • Quaternary Period
  • Holocene Epoch
  • Meghalayan Age
So where might some Anthropocene time period fit in?
 
There is an Anthropocene Working Group that is working on finding a good temporal landmark, and the AWG may have found a good one.
It’s little Crawford Lake in Ontario, Canada. There, the waters are so deep that whatever sinks down to the floor usually remains without mixing with the upper layers of water, so it stays preserved, offering an unusually good record of geological change.

Since 1950 — which is when the AWG now says the Anthropocene began — the sediment there has been inundated by the byproducts of human activity: plutonium isotopes from the nuclear bombs we’ve detonated, ash from the fossil fuels we’ve burned, and nitrogen from the fertilizer we’ve used.

“The record at Crawford Lake is representative of the changes that make the time since the mid-20th century geologically different from before,” said Francine M.G. McCarthy, an earth scientist at Brock University in Ontario and a member of the AWG.
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What next?
The Subcommission on Quaternary Stratigraphy will consider the proposal in the next few months. Next, the International Commission on Stratigraphy will vote on whether the Anthropocene deserves to be designated a new epoch. Then the International Geological Congress will make the final determination.

And here’s the thing: many expect that, ultimately, the highest strata of geological timekeepers will reject the idea that we’re living in a new epoch. The debate arguably says more about the purpose of the classification — is it solely scientific, or is it also political? — than it does about some objective moment when the Anthropocene started.
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Would the Anthropocene be on the level of the Holocene? Or only on the level of the Meghalayan?
Carving up time is a very messy business. One that scientists tend to fight over — a lot.

Even among those who agree that human activity has ushered in a new epoch, there’s disagreement over when the epoch started. Should we start counting from the Industrial Revolution? From the dawn of agriculture? Some other milestone?

Back in 2019, the AWG voted on whether to designate the middle of the 20th century as the starting point; four voted against, but 29 voted in favor, citing this as the time when we start to see major changes in phenomena like global warming, sea-level rise, ocean acidification, the spread of ash and plastics, and the explosive growth of domestic animal populations.
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But the concept has skeptics.
Erle Ellis (艾尔青) on Twitter: "@rowhoop @ProfMarkMaslin @SimonLLewis @ymalhi @IceAgeEcologist @JacquelynGill @AnthropoceneRev @AnthropoceneMag @anthroreviewed @AnthropoceneSc1 @elementascience @stewartbrand @Anthrofuentes
Agreed.
Narrowing the Anthropocene definition to single year marked by a thin band of sediment in a single lake makes no sense at all.
The Anthropocene is a geological Event, not an Epoch (link)
PDF: (link)" / Twitter noting
The Anthropocene as an Event, not an Epoch - Gibbard - 2022 - Journal of Quaternary Science - Wiley Online Library - PDF: gibbard_2022.pdf
 
lpetrich said:
A lake in Canada proves we’re in the Anthropocene, a new climate epoch - Vox - "The holy grail for understanding the start of the Anthropocene lies at the bottom of a lake in Canada."

What's this about?

Geologists mark out geological time with temporal landmarks, features of the geological record that formed at some time. In recent years, they have made that marking out very precise:
The best-known one is the iridium-abundance spike at the Mesozoic-Cenozoic boundary, a spike at the time of a well-known mass extinction.

Another one is at the beginning of the Cambrian Era and the Phanerozoic Eon, the first appearance of the fossil Treptichnus pedum, some fossilized worm burrows.

Looking closer to home, the Holocene Epoch, the interglacial that we are currently living in, is defined as beginning at the end of the Younger Dryas cold event, about 11,650 BP ("Before Present", where "Present" is 1950 CE), or 9701 BCE.

The Holocene was recently divided into three ages, the Greenlandian, Northgrippian, and Meghalayan. The first two were named after the  North Greenland Ice Core Project and the third after Meghalaya, India, where Mawmluh Cave contains a temporal landmark.

11,650 BP, 9701 BCE -- Greenlandian -- 8,276 BP, 6326 BCE -- Northgrippian -- 4,200 BP, 2251 BCE -- Meghalayan -- (the present)

 North Greenland Ice Core Project
 8.2-kiloyear event -- a cold snap
 4.2-kiloyear event - a major drought that caused the collapse of the Old Kingdom in Egypt and the Akkadian Empire in Iraq

A millennium after that last event, the  Late Bronze Age collapse happened, at least in part caused by droughts. But it was not used to mark out some geological time.

So we live in the:
  • Phanerozoic Eon
  • Cenozoic Era
  • Quaternary Period
  • Holocene Epoch
  • Meghalayan Age
So where might some Anthropocene time period fit in?
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That isn't climate change but the result of industrialization.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
And we are approaching a marine heat wave potentially in half of the ocean this summer. Now, I know that ocean temps are impacted because the thermometers are all near airports, but plenty of ocean space is at record highs for this time of year.
article said:
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in late June warned that half of the world's oceans may experience marine heat wave conditions by September. Research scientist Dillon Amaya said that in the organization's Physical Sciences Laboratory's decades of measurement, such widespread high temperatures had never been seen.
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As a reminder, water is a fluid, fluids have higher specific heats, which means it takes more energy to warm up than a gas, about 4 times for water compared to air. The ocean is a heat sink (or energy source as well).

All the goading about cults and what not. The climate changed, and it is changing from that point. We have likely already reached a point of no easy return. The best we can do is lower our emissions, which means CO2 will continue to increase in the atmosphere and the energy stored in the atmosphere and oceans will increase. We can likely stop emitting any CO2 and it'd take time for the atmosphere to stop heating up.

It is funny how we can have more 100 / 1000 yr rain/flood events, and it is a cult to recognize it is happening / we are causing it / it is costing money, destroying property, making life more complicated, but some homeless guy craps in a person's front yard, and that is a catastrophe.
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:hysterical: ...but some homeless craps in a person's front yard...

The Amount of Poop on San Francisco's Streets Has Hit an All-Time High

For the past decade, San Francisco's streets and sidewalks have been increasingly plagued by piles of human shit—and the poop problem is just getting worse. The city officially put together a so-called "poop patrol" task force back in 2018 to deal with the problem, and some Bay Area tech bro even whipped up an app called "SnapCrap" to help city residents file dookie reports to 311, but it looks like the shit crisis continues.
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And to think you got your panties into a wad about the health hazards of grey water leaching into the ground water in a few random rural communities? Oy vey...
 
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thebeave said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
And we are approaching a marine heat wave potentially in half of the ocean this summer. Now, I know that ocean temps are impacted because the thermometers are all near airports, but plenty of ocean space is at record highs for this time of year.
article said:
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in late June warned that half of the world's oceans may experience marine heat wave conditions by September. Research scientist Dillon Amaya said that in the organization's Physical Sciences Laboratory's decades of measurement, such widespread high temperatures had never been seen.
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As a reminder, water is a fluid, fluids have higher specific heats, which means it takes more energy to warm up than a gas, about 4 times for water compared to air. The ocean is a heat sink (or energy source as well).

All the goading about cults and what not. The climate changed, and it is changing from that point. We have likely already reached a point of no easy return. The best we can do is lower our emissions, which means CO2 will continue to increase in the atmosphere and the energy stored in the atmosphere and oceans will increase. We can likely stop emitting any CO2 and it'd take time for the atmosphere to stop heating up.

It is funny how we can have more 100 / 1000 yr rain/flood events, and it is a cult to recognize it is happening / we are causing it / it is costing money, destroying property, making life more complicated, but some homeless guy craps in a person's front yard, and that is a catastrophe.
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:hysterical: ...but some homeless craps in a person's front yard...

The Amount of Poop on San Francisco's Streets Has Hit an All-Time High

For the past decade, San Francisco's streets and sidewalks have been increasingly plagued by piles of human shit—and the poop problem is just getting worse. The city officially put together a so-called "poop patrol" task force back in 2018 to deal with the problem, and some Bay Area tech bro even whipped up an app called "SnapCrap" to help city residents file dookie reports to 311, but it looks like the shit crisis continues.
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So is homelessness just an issue, when consequences of it bother other people? It is odd how homelessness is such a windmill for conservatives who don't actually particular politick on homelessness, but because it is in California, all of a sudden it is a problem they want to almost brag about.
thebeave said:
And to think you got your panties into a wad about the health hazards of grey water leaching into the ground water in a few random rural communities? Oy vey...
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I got upset at the idea that freedom of religion could interfere with waterway/groundwater management plans of the Government. What is next? No levee because that goes against religion too? As a reminder, it is very hard to unpollute a water table.

In North Buttfuck, Minnesota, where no one lives, it is recommended against putting a well in the shallow sands due to pollution... and very few people live in that area. They are supposed to put wells into confined sand deposits within the larger clay deposits, which are effectively sealed and protected from pollution... unless someone starts dumping crap down their well for whatever reason.
 
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Phoenix has already logged 13 days straight with highs at or above 110 degrees and is closing on the record of 18 days which should be surpassed early next week. Every day in the seven-day forecast for Phoenix calls for highs of 112 or greater.

By multiple metrics — including record-warm nights (already three in a row of 90 degrees or hotter) — this is already the city’s worst heat wave on record, and the hottest days are still to come. On Saturday, Phoenix may hit 118 degrees, with an outside chance of 120.
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When the place that is always hot is too hot, that is a problem.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
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Phoenix has already logged 13 days straight with highs at or above 110 degrees and is closing on the record of 18 days which should be surpassed early next week. Every day in the seven-day forecast for Phoenix calls for highs of 112 or greater.

By multiple metrics — including record-warm nights (already three in a row of 90 degrees or hotter) — this is already the city’s worst heat wave on record, and the hottest days are still to come. On Saturday, Phoenix may hit 118 degrees, with an outside chance of 120.
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When the place that is always hot is too hot, that is a problem.
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But it is only a blistering 73F in Santa Monica today.
 
Climate change debunked.

As most Infidels realize, Santa Monica is the best place on the planet to focus on the reality -- or lack thereof -- of global warming. I had fun using the NOAA databases to review actual data.

Consider the temperatures recorded since 2009 at the Santa Monica pier (NOAA weather station 994028-99999). The numbers are daily highs and lows in degrees Fahrenheit. To compare apples with apples, we restrict to a single date: December 28.

D SMpier 2009/12/28 68.90 55.20
D SMpier 2010/12/28 68.20 50.40 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2011/12/28 62.20 50.70 DOWN .up.
D SMpier 2012/12/28 58.80 47.70 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2013/12/28 74.10 58.10 .up. .up.
D SMpier 2014/12/28 59.20 46.80 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2015/12/28 57.40 43.50 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2017/12/28 67.10 54.00 .up. .up.
D SMpier 2018/12/28 60.60 52.50 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2019/12/28 59.90 49.50 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2020/12/28 58.10 48.70 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2021/12/28 55.20 44.80 DOWN DOWN
D SMpier 2022/12/28 60.10 54.30 .up. .up.

As seen plainly, the High on December 28, 2009 was 68.9; this fell to 55.2 on the same date in 2021. In between there were 9 years where Santa Monica got colder and only 2 years where there was warming. Earth getting hotter? No!!!

Did I "cherry-pick" the specific date December 28 to show this effect? You betcha! But I'm just imitating the left-wing cultists whose every data point is a cherry.

Let's look at the annual figures. Here the four numbers are hottest-in-year, average of daily highs, average of daily lows, and coldest-in-year. The cultists will stop at 2022, but what about 2023? The present year is the most important, yet 2023 has never gotten above 75.4! It is the coldest year in the dataset.

Y SMpier 2009 82.80 66.11 59.92 42.60
Y SMpier 2010 88.90 62.85 56.48 43.50
Y SMpier 2011 80.10 63.15 56.28 43.50
Y SMpier 2012 84.00 64.16 57.91 43.70
Y SMpier 2013 84.00 64.33 57.70 42.40
Y SMpier 2014 86.00 67.13 60.37 46.60
Y SMpier 2015 91.00 67.70 60.79 42.30
Y SMpier 2017 91.20 65.81 59.42 43.00
Y SMpier 2018 87.60 65.82 59.41 43.90
Y SMpier 2019 89.80 65.56 58.49 43.00
Y SMpier 2020 83.50 65.68 58.60 46.00
Y SMpier 2021 86.20 64.15 57.87 44.60
Y SMpier 2022 91.20 65.46 58.72 45.50
Y SMpier 2023 75.40 59.90 54.17 42.40

The data file I downloaded for 2016 at the Santa Monica pier appeared to be corrupt. My guess is it had clear evidence against the Warmth Alarmism and was sabotaged by cultists working for NOAA. And where is the data prior to 2009 anyway?

There are over 29,000 weather stations in the NOAA database. It's somewhat fun to play with this data and I'll be happy to prepare more reports for specific stations.

I looked for stations near Santa Monica. Other than airports, the nearest station appeared to be Sandberg (elevation 1375 meters). I decided to look at the average annual high per decade at Sandberg and at the LAX airport. For both stations, NOAA has data from 1973 to the present (though I ignored 2023).

The first number is the mean daily high at Sandberg for the given decade. The second number is the mean daily high at LAX. Notice anything peculiar?

1970s 61.4 71.6
1980s 65.7 71.9
1990s 66.8 71.7
2000s 68.1 71.1
2010s 71.2 72.5
2020s 71.2 73.0

At LAX -- where millions of visitors would immediately know if NOAA were fudging its data, the temperature barely budged. Yet at high-altitude low-population Sandberg temperatures supposedly soared from 61 to 71. What gives?

I think that -- because of its proximity to the Santa Monica bellwether -- Soros' space lasers are warming Sandberg just to help propagate the Warming Myth.

Any other weather stations we should look at?
 
The early Holocene was somewhat warmer than the more recent Holocene, but by how much?
In the early Holocene, about 8,000 BP (6,000 BCE), it was about 0.25 C warmer than in early modern times, just before the Industrial Revolution.

When it was last this warm? In the  Eemian interglacial period, from 130,000 to 115,000 years ago. Its temperature was about 1 - 2 C warmer than for most of the Holocene, our current interglacial period, and its atmospheric CO2 was 280 ppm.
 
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