Climate Change(d)?

[lpetrich]

How does it work?

The key to the remarkable increase in reactivity is that layer of porous plastic on the ruthenium, explained lead student author Chengshuang Zhou, a doctoral candidate in Cargnello’s lab, who conducted the search and experimentation needed to refine the new coating. An uncoated catalyst works just fine, he said, but only produces methane, the shortest chain hydrocarbon, which has just a single atom of carbon bonded to four hydrogens. It’s not really a chain at all.

“An uncoated catalyst gets covered in too much hydrogen on its surface, limiting the ability of carbon to find other carbons to bond with,” Zhou said. “The porous polymer controls the carbon-to-hydrogen ratio and allows us to create longer carbon chains from the same reactions. This particular, crucial interaction was demonstrated using synchrotron techniques at SLAC National Laboratory in collaboration with the team of Dr. Simon Bare, who leads Co-Access there.”

While long-chain hydrocarbons are an innovative use of captured carbon, they are not perfect, Cargnello acknowledges. He is also working on other catalysts and similar processes that turn carbon dioxide into valuable industrial chemicals, like olefins used to make plastics, methanol and the holy grail, ethanol, all of which can sequester carbon without returning carbon dioxide to the skies.

“If we can make olefins from CO2 to make plastics,” Cargnello noted, “we have sequestered it into a long-term storable solid. That would be a big deal.”

This is essentially the  Fischer–Tropsch process

CO2 + (x/2+2)*H2 -> (CHx) + 2H2O

Without linking two carbon atoms together, one would get this sequence:

CO2 + H2
HCOOH (formic acid) + H2 - H2O
CH2O (formaldehyde) + H2
CH3OH (methanol) + H2 - H2O
CH4 (methane)

Doing carbon-carbon bonding expands the range enormously, since one won't stop at two.

Olefin? Also called an alkene, it's a hydrocarbon with at least one double bond. That's useful for making some plastics, like polyethylene, polypropylene, and polystyrene, since they polymerize at their double bonds.

 

[thebeave]

No surprise that the jew baiting Gruaniad are running this piece;

Emissions from Israel’s war in Gaza have ‘immense’ effect on climate catastrophe. Israel’s unprecedented bombardment of Gaza since Hamas killed as many as 1,200 Israelis has caused widespread death and destruction. According to the Gaza health authority, almost 23,000 Palestinians – mostly women and children – have been killed, with thousands more buried under the rubble presumed dead. About 85% of the population has been forcibly displaced and faces life-threatening food and water shortages, according to UN agencies. More than 100 Israeli hostages remain captive in Gaza and hundreds of Israeli soldiers have been killed.

In addition to the immediate suffering, the conflict is exacerbating the global climate emergency, which goes far beyond the CO2 emissions from bombs and planes. The new research calculates that the carbon cost of rebuilding Gaza’s 100,000 damaged buildings using contemporary construction techniques will generate at least 30m metric tonnes of warming gases. This is on a par with New Zealand’s annual CO2 emissions and higher than 135 other countries and territories including Sri Lanka, Lebanon and Uruguay.

Teh Gruaniad

Takeaway, jews are making climate change much worse. What a despicable rag Teh Gruaniad is.

Bloody hell, it is a catastrophic 46 degrees in Santa Monica. Must be the jews bombing Gaza again.

Well, thankfully Greta Thunberg is stepping up to provide some guidance on conducting a more environmentally friendly war:

 

[steve_bank]

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Any o us would be glad to explain the basics of thermodynamics if you want to discuss science instead of ranting 'climate change is a cult'.

Seriously, science does tell us repetition and contemplation of of a mantra like simplistic phrase increases feel good brain chemicals like dopamine. An example of a simplistic mantra would be 'climate change is a cult'.

A kind of dopamine addiction can explain behavior lie compulsive shopping and gambling and shopping to feel good.

So, can elements of the climate change alarmists be 'cult like'? Sire. But so can be the ignorant crowd who loudly decry the movment for aressively addessing climate change.

 

[steve_bank]

I remember the debates over the health risks of tobacco smoking. Industry funded 'scientific' studies of course showed no correlation between smoking and health risks. Smokers of courseoppode any regulation and control over tobacco.

Before auto exhaust and industrial air pollution controls on a clear day visibility in La might only be a few miles. Air pollution was causing respiratory and vision problems. Yet there were loud deniers of any causalities.

Raw sewage was dumped into coastal waters. Hazardous waste was dumped down the sewers.

No different than today. 'Climate deniers' trivialize the issues in the face of overwhelming evidence and scientific scrutiny. Today as back during the air pollution and tobacco debates there are those with scientific credentials who disagree with conclusions. They are a small minority, but climate deniers and industries quote them.

Today as back then climate and health activists were mocked as alarmist extremists.

 

[TSwizzle]

EVs are not a panacea but part of the overall approach and it should not be surprising that they don’t fill every niche of vehicle usage.

Fuckwit Newsom thinks EV are a panacea.

 

[steve_bank]

EVs are not a panacea but part of the overall approach and it should not be surprising that they don’t fill every niche of vehicle usage.

Fuckwit Newsom thinks EV are a panacea.

So far you have:

1. Let us know climate activists are a cult.
2.You don't like Newsom.
3. Weather reports from Santa Monica.

It has been very informative.


Can you elaborate on what the effects on climate, if you think are are any, of human industrialization.

1. Should we continue to fill the atmosphere with pollutants and not worry about it?
2. Thinking of future generations, should we expand use of fossil fuels rather than reduce?
3. Should we care about pollution affecting life in the ocean?
4. Should we worry about chemicals in our drinkinng water?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yo have posted nothing refuting the scientific basis for predicting climate change and the causes.

the science of Jimmy having to rake leaves in December? lol.

[removed]

Sadly, that apparently wasn't simple enough for you. Large scale environmental processes step well beyond "weather" and are indicators of large scale changes in the envirornment. As we've seen, the USDA has updated regions related to growing fruits/vegatables due to climate change. States are updating building codes due to climate change. Insurance companies are fleeing some areas as large storm damage is making areas uninsurable. Insurance claims from severe weather/flooding continue to skyrocket.

The climate has changed and continues to do so as the atmosphere warms up, and while you are not obligated to give a care about it, is it really necessary for you to keep farting in the thread?

 

[Jokodo]

In my latest, and first (only?) piece on Climate Change(d), we discuss the issues that is whether Climate Change is the right term anymore and asking if we are in Climate Changed.

Circling back to the OP: Apparently, 2023 was the 23rd year in a row that was, on average, warmer than the second warmest one of the 20th century (1997), and the 12th or so that was warmer than the warmest year on record prior to this century (1998).

So, yes

 

[TSwizzle]

Well, it's that time of the year again;

From March 2000, 23 years ago!

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent.

News

From today.

Amber and yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are in place across the UK from today until the end of this week. Snow is set to hit parts of Scotland today before spreading south next week as cold air from the Arctic brings freezing temperatures. "Throughout the week we are going to see more and more snow showers and warnings, towards the end of the week we will probably see an accumulation.

Sky News

 

[Shadowy Man]

Well, it's that time of the year again;

From March 2000, 23 years ago!

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent.

News

Also in that article:

Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.

From today.

Amber and yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are in place across the UK from today until the end of this week. Snow is set to hit parts of Scotland today before spreading south next week as cold air from the Arctic brings freezing temperatures. "Throughout the week we are going to see more and more snow showers and warnings, towards the end of the week we will probably see an accumulation.

Sky News

And your sky news article also links to the following article:

Why forecasting snow in the UK is a big challenge

Which states:

For now, it may be worth taking forecasts of snow for the middle of next week with a pinch of salt.

We do know that a northerly wind will develop on Sunday, allowing cold Arctic air to move southwards.

That will bring snow showers to exposed areas early next week, but after that things become a little tricky.

Low pressure could track across the south introducing milder, wetter weather, which may bring significant snow to parts of England and Wales as it meets the cold air.

That said, knowing the complexities of forecasting snow in the UK, along with computer models showing huge variation, confidence is currently low.

To really address the point though we should be looking at snowfall trends over the past 20 years and not just cherry picking one year or one location’s weather.

 

[TSwizzle]

There's a couple of ways to look at that. One would be that they haven't a clue what they are talking about. They can't predict the weather for Wednesday but they are 100% certain the world is going to be on fire and the oceans will be boiling one, two, ten years from now. And we may still get snow and it will cause chaos? ffs, talk about hedging your bets and snow always has caused chaos.

Settled science, lol.

 

[Shadowy Man]

See. For example:

Why snow days are becoming increasingly rare in the UK

Since 1979, the average number of snow days has fallen by about five per decade.

theconversation.com

Or something a bit more academic:

https://www.ukri.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/091221-NERC-LWEC-WaterReportSource11-SnowHistoryProjected.pdf

 

[Shadowy Man]

There's a couple of ways to look at that. One would be that they haven't a clue what they are talking about. They can't predict the weather for Wednesday but they are 100% certain the world is going to be on fire and the oceans will be boiling one, two, ten years from now. And we may still get snow and it will cause chaos? ffs, talk about hedging your bets and snow always has caused chaos.

Settled science, lol.

Do we have to have the “weather is different than climate” discussion? It’s a tired canard that impresses only the most ignorant of readers here.

I would wager you have spent essentially zero time studying climate science.

 

[Shadowy Man]

But I would agree it seemed to be premature and a bit hyperbolic to state that “children just aren’t going to know what snow is”.

Also, “Settled” doesn’t mean “can predict with zero uncertainty all future events”.

But I do understand they science is not always easily understood by the layman, such as you are, and far more often than not I have found it is not communicated well either.

 

[Elixir]

It's one thing to fail to comprehend, it's another to run around pointing fingers and laughing at those who do, while pretending the shoe is on the other foot.
That takes a dedicated fool.

 

[TSwizzle]

See. For example:

Why snow days are becoming increasingly rare in the UK

Since 1979, the average number of snow days has fallen by about five per decade.

theconversation.com

Or something a bit more academic:

https://www.ukri.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/091221-NERC-LWEC-WaterReportSource11-SnowHistoryProjected.pdf

Good grief. the first article has a painting of a "frost fair" from 1683!! This tells me I am already dealing with propaganda.

next, onto the article that "is a bit more academic". It's another piece filled with weasel word "suggests" reduced snowfall using models.

Some winters are worse than others, that is not new.

 

[TSwizzle]

But I would agree it seemed to be premature and a bit hyperbolic to state that “children just aren’t going to know what snow is”.

It's not hyperbole, it is propaganda. The politics of it has an agenda. It is an anti modernization, anti capitalist, anti-human agenda.

Also, “Settled” doesn’t mean “can predict with zero uncertainty all future events”.

Behave. It is a religion. The settled science is not to be questioned. To question or doubt the science is to be a climate/science denier!!! A heretic.

But I do understand they science is not always easily understood by the layman, such as you are, and far more often than not I have found it is not communicated well either.

The layman still knows bullshit by its smell.

 

[steve_bank]

Well, it's that time of the year again;

From March 2000, 23 years ago!

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent.

News

From today.

Amber and yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are in place across the UK from today until the end of this week. Snow is set to hit parts of Scotland today before spreading south next week as cold air from the Arctic brings freezing temperatures. "Throughout the week we are going to see more and more snow showers and warnings, towards the end of the week we will probably see an accumulation.

Sky News

The overall global temperature of the oceans are increasing. That there may be more snow does not contradict climate warming and consequences.

Here in the PNW snowpaks have been decreasing to the point where water supplies are being threatened.

You are arguing from ignorance.

Are you ging to answer my questions?

 

[robnisch]

Well, it's that time of the year again;

From March 2000, 23 years ago!

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent.

News

From today.

Amber and yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are in place across the UK from today until the end of this week. Snow is set to hit parts of Scotland today before spreading south next week as cold air from the Arctic brings freezing temperatures. "Throughout the week we are going to see more and more snow showers and warnings, towards the end of the week we will probably see an accumulation.

Sky News

The overall global temperature of the oceans are increasing. That there may be more snow does not contradict climate warming and consequences.

Here in the PNW snowpaks have been decreasing to the point where water supplies are being threatened.

You are arguing from ignorance.

Are you ging to answer my questions?

As the Arctic ocean warms it looses ice. Which effects the jet stream. Causing wild flows of arctic air over the US. Look at Texass today.

ETA: The snow pack in the Cascades looks a lot better right now.

 

[Shadowy Man]

See. For example:

Why snow days are becoming increasingly rare in the UK

Since 1979, the average number of snow days has fallen by about five per decade.

theconversation.com

Or something a bit more academic:

https://www.ukri.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/091221-NERC-LWEC-WaterReportSource11-SnowHistoryProjected.pdf

Good grief. the first article has a painting of a "frost fair" from 1683!! This tells me I am already dealing with propaganda.

next, onto the article that "is a bit more academic". It's another piece filled with weasel word "suggests" reduced snowfall using models.

Some winters are worse than others, that is not new.

You may need to do more than casually glance at these links.

But I haven’t seen an Interest on your part in having a substantive discussion of actual science .