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Climate Change(d)?

The Sunrise Movement took a victory lap at the activism success of getting the American Climate Corps going.
Sunrise Movement 🌅 on X: "Our movement just won the American Climate Corps.
Thank you to every young person who fought for and believed in a vision of government that could work for our generation and the planet. This is just the beginning. (vid link)" / X

Sunrise Movement 🌅 on X: "The fight isn't over. Our work will only be done when we break the grip of the fossil fuel industry and secure a livable future for all under a Green New Deal.
Join us >> (pic link)" / X


President Biden on X: "Today, I'm taking executive action to launch the American Climate Corps – a workforce initiative that will train over 20,000 young people for good-paying jobs in the clean energy and climate resilience economy. (link)" / X
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American Climate Corps | The White House
Let's see how well this does. Well enough for Republicans to want to take credit for it?

Then everybody's favorite Green New Dealer:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on X: "MAJOR victory today 🎉..." / X
MAJOR victory today 🎉

In 2021, we proposed the Climate Corps and launched a massive inside-outside organizing effort to win it.

Today, the American Climate Corps has finally come true.

Thank you to @POTUS and the countless communities and organizers who made this a reality💪🏽
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Critics Say Biden's Climate Inaction Belies Lofty Claims in UN Speech
Climate campaigners on Tuesday took U.S. President Joe Biden to task following an address before the United Nations General Assembly in which he called on world leaders to urgently "climate-proof" the heating Earth while making what critics said were false claims about his administration's efforts to tackle the planetary emergency.

During his speech, Biden said that increasingly extreme weather events occurring around the world "tell the urgent story of what awaits us if we fail to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels," while claiming that "the United States has treated this crisis as the existential threat from the moment we took office."

Despite such lofty rhetoric and campaign pledges to center climate action—including by stopping new fossil fuel drilling on public lands—Biden has overseen the approval of more new permits for drilling on public land during his first two years in office than former President Donald Trump did in 2017 and 2018. The Biden administration has also held a massive fossil fuel lease sale in the Gulf of Mexico and has approved the highly controversial Willow project, Mountain Valley Pipeline, and increased liquefied natural gas production and export.
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Biden's Decision to Skip Climate Ambition Summit Called a 'Disgrace'
U.S. President Joe Biden is drawing anger from environmental groups for opting not to attend this week's Climate Ambition Summit convened by United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres, a gathering billed as an effort to rally countries around plans to urgently phase out planet-warming fossil fuels as the window for action closes.

Biden's climate envoy, John Kerry, is set to attend the Wednesday summit as the U.S. representative, and he is not expected to speak.
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114 Climate Defenders Arrested While Blocking Entry to NY Federal Reserve
A day after tens of thousands of climate activists marched through Manhattan's Upper East Side demanding an end to oil, gas, and coal production, thousands more demonstrators hit the streets of Lower Manhattan Monday, where more than 100 people were arrested while surrounding the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to protest fossil fuel financing.

Protesters chanted slogans like "No oil, no gas, fossil fuels can kiss my ass" and "We need clean air, not another billionaire" as they marched from Zuccotti Park—ground zero of the 2011 Occupy Wall Street movement—to pre-selected sites in the Financial District. Witnesses said many of the activists attempted to reach the New York Stock Exchange but were blocked by police.

"We're here to wake up the regulators who are asleep at the wheel as they continue to let Wall Street lead us into ANOTHER financial crash with their fossil fuel financing," the Stop the Money Pipeline coalition explained on social media.
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New York Communities for Change on X: "“No oil, no gas! Fossil fuels can kiss my a**!”
Blocking the entrances to the @federalreserve as arrests happen.
The Fed is SHUT DOWN.
We need policies to protect the climate and communities, stop fossil fuels, not subsidies and bailouts for fossil fuels! (vid link)" / X

Climate Defiance on X: "Stop scrolling. Stop scrolling. Our organizer Rylee just got arrested at the New York Fed. It is morally outrageous that Rylee is being taken away in handcuffs while climate criminals get honorary Harvard degrees and Davos keynotes. It is morally outrageous. (vid link)" / X

Climate Defiance on X: "The line of arrestees is a block long.
So we will ask again:
Why are we getting handcuffed while people who literally torch the planet get celebrated for their “civility” and their “moderation.” (vid link)" / X

Antonia Juhasz on X: "At least a thousand End Fossil Fuels protesters have surrounded the Federal Reserve on NYC Wall Street protesting the financing of fossil fuels. Several dozen arrests thus far. (pix link)" / X
 
Hurricane models drop the ball on Otis.

2 AM Pacific 10/23, Otis is expected to become a strong tropical storm just before landfall.
2 AM Pacific 10/24, Otis is expected to just barely become a hurricane before landfall.
2 PM Pacific 10/24, Otis has an eye and is expected to become Cat 4 before landfall, providing locals less than 12 hours to prepare/evacuate from the strongest hurricane on record to strike Mexico.
8 PM Pacific 10/24, Otis is expected to make landfall as a Cat 5 hurricane

It was about 8 AM Pacific on 10/24 when things seemed potentially problematic with intensity.
 
Sheesh If they can't get on measly storm right how can they predict climate change?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Hurricane models drop the ball on Otis.

2 AM Pacific 10/23, Otis is expected to become a strong tropical storm just before landfall.
2 AM Pacific 10/24, Otis is expected to just barely become a hurricane before landfall.
2 PM Pacific 10/24, Otis has an eye and is expected to become Cat 4 before landfall, providing locals less than 12 hours to prepare/evacuate from the strongest hurricane on record to strike Mexico.
8 PM Pacific 10/24, Otis is expected to make landfall as a Cat 5 hurricane

It was about 8 AM Pacific on 10/24 when things seemed potentially problematic with intensity.
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We usually get alerts and monitor reports at work because we have insurance clients all over the world. I've been getting roughly 2 per day on Tammy because it's about to hit Bermuda. The first alert I received on Otis was this morning - after it already made landfall as a cat 5.

Earth is definitely trying to kill us.

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Alcoholic Actuary said:
Earth is definitely trying to kill us.
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Are you a fan of James Lovelock and his Gaia theory?
Lovelock argues that surface temperatures of our planet were modulated for billions of years "thanks to Gaia: forests, oceans and other elements in the Earth’s regulating system, which kept the surface temperature fairly constant and near optimal for life."

But humanity has messed with that carefully balanced formula substantially.

"Two genocidal acts — suffocation by greenhouse gases and the clearance of the rainforests — have caused changes on a scale not seen in millions of years," he writes. "We are entering into a heat age in which the temperature and sea levels will be rising decade by decade until the world becomes unrecognizable."

To Lovelock, we can't simply put up a bunch more solar and wind farms to end our reliance on burning fossil fuels. In fact, the environmentalist made a surprising conclusion: "We need to build more nuclear power stations to overcome that, though the greens will first have to get over their overblown fears of radiation."

And a global pandemic should come as a warning, he said. "The virus, COVID-19, may well have been one negative feedback," Lovelock writes. "Gaia will try harder next time with something even nastier."
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steve_bank said:
Sheesh If they can't get on measly storm right how can they predict climate change?
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They've been struggling with rapid intensification for forecasts for a few years now. They are getting better, but the models completely whiffed on this one. It isn't like they didn't think it'd be a storm, but the intensification was close to off the charts. Especially this time of year.
 
The evolution of science. A model fails to deal with evolving situations, modify model with new data.

Lawyers will have a feeding frenzy suing the government if there is insufficient warning and people get hurt.

Still better than the good old days when all you had was a thermometer and a barometer.
 
Swammerdami said:
Alcoholic Actuary said:
Earth is definitely trying to kill us.
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Are you a fan of James Lovelock and his Gaia theory?
Lovelock argues that surface temperatures of our planet were modulated for billions of years "thanks to Gaia: forests, oceans and other elements in the Earth’s regulating system, which kept the surface temperature fairly constant and near optimal for life."

But humanity has messed with that carefully balanced formula substantially.

"Two genocidal acts — suffocation by greenhouse gases and the clearance of the rainforests — have caused changes on a scale not seen in millions of years," he writes. "We are entering into a heat age in which the temperature and sea levels will be rising decade by decade until the world becomes unrecognizable."

To Lovelock, we can't simply put up a bunch more solar and wind farms to end our reliance on burning fossil fuels. In fact, the environmentalist made a surprising conclusion: "We need to build more nuclear power stations to overcome that, though the greens will first have to get over their overblown fears of radiation."

And a global pandemic should come as a warning, he said. "The virus, COVID-19, may well have been one negative feedback," Lovelock writes. "Gaia will try harder next time with something even nastier."
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I'm not a fan of his anthropomorphism, though if presenting the biosphere system as though it were a person (or a god) helps to persuade people to take it seriously, maybe it's a worthwhile approach.

He's absolutely correct about the basic situation, and the available solutions though.
 
Climate change deniers are like Trumpist, There seems to be a flaw in the personality that they never can admit they are wrong. like most adults do.
 
Climate change deniers are like unicorns, non existent. Saying someone is a "climate change denier" is so 2000 and late fella.

It's a catastrophic 72f in Santa Monica today. Oh the humanity!!
 
TSwizzle said:
Climate change deniers are like unicorns, non existent. Saying someone is a "climate change denier" is so 2000 and late fella.

It's a catastrophic 72f in Santa Monica today. Oh the humanity!!
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Of course. The climate has always been changing. The climate scientists have proven that to us. We definitely believe what the climate scientists have said. Unless, of course, you're old enough to have lived through a few climate cycles yourself. If that's the case, I apologize for assuming you listen to what climate scientists say about climate change.
 
TSwizzle said:
Climate change deniers are like unicorns, non existent. Saying someone is a "climate change denier" is so 2000 and late fella.

It's a catastrophic 72f in Santa Monica today. Oh the humanity!!
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Posts like this always keep me warm when raking leaves after Xmas, when they used to be picked up around Election Day.
 
It's baffling that people think the climate should not change or fluctuate. It is a phenomenon that has been happening on planet earth since forever.
 
The Tswizzler strikes again.

Yes climate has changed over time. Some of the early climate change deniers' argument was climate always changes, what's the big deal.

Yet again, the issue is the rapidity of the change and effects, and the underlying short term human causes.

The cold weather is a bit early this year, climate can't possibly be warming.
 
TSwizzle said:
It's baffling that people think the climate should not change or fluctuate. It is a phenomenon that has been happening on planet earth since forever.
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You are ignoring the time scale. Most changes in the past took thousands of years. This one is only about two hundred years.
 
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