Cocked and Loaded on Behalf of the Saudis

[Elixir]

I seem to remember (perhaps wrongly) that the Houthis have launched attacks within Saudi Arabia before. But this is not our fight.

The Saudis couldn't keep a plane in the air if their lives depended on it. They simply pay western contractors to do all their work while they pretend how important they are. If we quit helping the Saudis they would be annihilated in very, very, very short order.

By whom? Doesn't matter - good riddance.
It's not like there's some high purpose in propping up that brutal dictatorship.
Fuck them, fuck the Israelis and fuck the orange goon who is pandering to both of them to line his pockets.

 

[James Brown]

More money for Trump too. Another win-win for the Profiteer in Chief.

How exactly?
1. Station more troops in the Middle East
2. ????
3. Profit!

Isn't that how these things start? We send them military advisors, because they are our allies. Then we send support personnel to protect the advisors. Then we send materiel to supply the support personnel. Then we send heavy equipment to protect the materiel. We send more personnel to equip the materiel. And so on.

It's not hard to imagine how a less-than-scrupulous chief could slide down that glide path into a bucket of money.

 

[Derec]

Isn't that how these things start? We send them military advisors, because they are our allies. Then we send support personnel to protect the advisors. Then we send materiel to supply the support personnel. Then we send heavy equipment to protect the materiel. We send more personnel to equip the materiel. And so on.

Something like that. But Iran is a sufficient danger to world peace to warrant a buildup.

It's not hard to imagine how a less-than-scrupulous chief could slide down that glide path into a bucket of money.

I still do not see how that financially benefits Trump. Are there Trump steaks served in the chow hall on a daily basis in Riyadh or what?

 

[Derec]

By whom?

Iran.

Doesn't matter - good riddance.

That would cause a major disruption of the world oil markets, to the detriment of the world economy in general.
In addition to that, should the Kingdom fall, what replaces it will likely be much, much worse. In KSA the government is more moderate than the populace. In Iran, it's the other way around.

It's not like there's some high purpose in propping up that brutal dictatorship.

I disagree. There is enough purpose to be worth it.

Fuck them, fuck the Israelis

Why Israelis? You should be saying "fuck Iran", the theocrats who are the biggest state sponsors of terrorism. And who call us the "Great Satan" and chant "death to America". And by the way, Iranian-controlled Hezbollah terrorist group had planned terrorist attacks in the United States.
Hezbollah Scout Was Looking for Attack Targets in NYC: Feds

and fuck the orange goon who is pandering to both of them to line his pockets.

And again the pocket-lining conspiracy ....
If anything, Trump is too hesitant to do anything about Iran. Certainly not too hawkish.

 

[ZiprHead]

Isn't that how these things start? We send them military advisors, because they are our allies. Then we send support personnel to protect the advisors. Then we send materiel to supply the support personnel. Then we send heavy equipment to protect the materiel. We send more personnel to equip the materiel. And so on.

Something like that. But Iran is a sufficient danger to world peace to warrant a buildup.

Why?

 

[bilby]

Isn't that how these things start? We send them military advisors, because they are our allies. Then we send support personnel to protect the advisors. Then we send materiel to supply the support personnel. Then we send heavy equipment to protect the materiel. We send more personnel to equip the materiel. And so on.

Something like that. But Iran is a sufficient danger to world peace to warrant a buildup.

Really? Which nations has Iran invaded in the last, say, 100 years?

Which nations has the USA invaded in that time?

If Iran is a threat to world peace, then the USA should be invaded and subjugated as soon as possible for the protection of the rest of the world.

 

[Patooka]

To claim Iran is a sufficient danger to world peace but Saudi Arabia isn't requires some massive cognitive dissonance.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

To claim Iran is a sufficient danger to world peace but Saudi Arabia isn't requires some massive cognitive dissonance.

Derec doesn't understand that he's not the solution, but rather the problem. And unfortunately he has a lot of company.

 

[Elixir]

To claim Iran is a sufficient danger to world peace but Saudi Arabia isn't requires some massive cognitive dissonance.

Derec doesn't understand that he's not the solution, but rather the problem. And unfortunately he has a lot of company.

True enough. But Derec seems butthurt that I didn't say fuck Iran too. So... fuck Iran.
Feel better, Derec.

 

[Elixir]

Isn't that how these things start? We send them military advisors, because they are our allies. Then we send support personnel to protect the advisors. Then we send materiel to supply the support personnel. Then we send heavy equipment to protect the materiel. We send more personnel to equip the materiel. And so on.

Something like that. But Iran is a sufficient danger to world peace to warrant a buildup.

Why?

Because the alt-white scaremongering machine sez so.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Why?

Because the alt-white scaremongering machine sez so.

I've always maintained that our species is insane. An insane member of our species cannot see how cooperation and friendship between Iran and SA would be a good, constructive thing. That picture doesn't even enter onto their radar or into their consciousness. Enemies, conquest, antagonism, brutality, victory, etc., these are their mantras. It really is sad. We all have it in us but some of us are controlled by it, too many of us.

/derail

 

[Derec]

Why?

The Iranian theocracy controls Hezbollah (and through them Lebanon), Iraqi Shiite militias, Houthis (and through them most of Yemen). They control Palestinian terrorist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad who routinely attack Israel. They have attacked oil facilities of a neighboring country.
And I have already posted a link to an article about Hezbollah planning terrorist attacks within the US.

Because the alt-white scaremongering machine sez so.

Alt-white? Is everything about race to you? In any case, Iranians ARE white. Hell, Khomeini looks like Sean Connery!

 

[Derec]

Derec doesn't understand that he's not the solution, but rather the problem. And unfortunately he has a lot of company.

Appeasement is definitely not a solution.

 

[laughing dog]

Derec doesn't understand that he's not the solution, but rather the problem. And unfortunately he has a lot of company.

Appeasement is definitely not a solution.
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Neither is war.

 

[Derec]

Really? Which nations has Iran invaded in the last, say, 100 years?

Let's see. IRGC are active in Syria. Iran controls parts of Iraq through Shiite militias it controls. Hezbollah is partially controlling Lebanon and Hezbollah is also active in Syria and has been attacking Israel as well, as recently as this month. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are also controlled by Iran and they have been attacking Israel regularly from Gaza, and vow to destroy it.

You have to count the proxies. Otherwise you (deliberately?) ignore the way the Iranian theocracy operates.

 

[Derec]

Neither is war.

Depends on the war. Delaying an inevitable war can make it worse, which is the point of my WWII comparison.

 

[bilby]

Really? Which nations has Iran invaded in the last, say, 100 years?

Let's see. IRGC are active in Syria. Iran controls parts of Iraq through Shiite militias it controls. Hezbollah is partially controlling Lebanon and Hezbollah is also active in Syria and has been attacking Israel as well, as recently as this month. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are also controlled by Iran and they have been attacking Israel regularly from Gaza, and vow to destroy it.

You have to count the proxies. Otherwise you (deliberately?) ignore the way the Iranian theocracy operates.

So a handful of failed states, all close to their own borders.

Now do the USA, and then try to tell me with a straight face that Iran is the biggest threat to world peace.

 

[Derec]

So a handful of failed states, all close to their own borders.
Now do the USA, and then try to tell me with a straight face that Iran is the biggest threat to world peace.

So because it's "close to their borders" it's ok? And besides, Israel and Saudi Arabia are hardly "failed states".

 

[bilby]

So a handful of failed states, all close to their own borders.
Now do the USA, and then try to tell me with a straight face that Iran is the biggest threat to world peace.

So because it's "close to their borders" it's ok? And besides, Israel and Saudi Arabia are hardly "failed states".

Now do the USA, and then try to tell me with a straight face that Iran is the biggest threat to world peace.

 

[Derec]

Now do the USA, and then try to tell me with a straight face that Iran is the biggest threat to world peace.

US doesn't support terrorism. We do not attack our neighbors. For example, US is not bombing Mexican oil facilities, nor are controlling Canadian government through armed militias. We do not support terrorist groups in e.g. Uruguay who shoot rockets into Paraguay and vow to "rip their hearts out from their bodies". Our leader (who is by the way not an unelected cleric) does not say that Paraguay should be wiped off the map.