"Coronavirus and the US" or "We are all going to die!!!!"

[George S]

Bottom line, you should have gotten common cold or even SARS when you had a chance. Now it's too late.

This would be correct if you were in total isolation your whole life and never exposed to any of a family of coronaviruses.

 

[OLDMAN]

Oddly enough, the guy responsible for this disaster will probably benefit from it come November. He can cancel the election, because by then America will probably be up to a million new cases a day with 60,000 a day in deaths. Can't possibly have an election then...

 

[skepticalbip]

Bottom line, you should have gotten common cold or even SARS when you had a chance. Now it's too late.

This would be correct if you were in total isolation your whole life and never exposed to any of a family of coronaviruses.

That sounds right. OTOH, any normal person who has normal contacts with others and has never had a cold would seem to indicate that they have a damn good robust immune system that would likely shrug off covid.

 

[bilby]

Is it?

Why?

Do Australian soldiers have some kind of treatment to reduce their libido?

Sex, drugs, and money have been used to subvert guards since the invention of guards.

Would you still hold that view had that been anybody else but Dopey Dan, if it was say, a conservative and not a socialist premier?

That the army would be no better, and likely worse? Yes.

And Australia has no socialist premiers.

Indeed, to quote the great Shane Maloney, "There is no such place as the State of Victoria. The Australian Labor Party exists only in the imagination of its members".

And if you haven't read Maloney, you are incompetent to comment on any aspect of Australian politics, particularly on the left.

 

[southernhybrid]

While it's not conclusive, some scientists are beginning to consider that air conditioning may be helping spread the virus. I'm glad there was hardly anyone in Publix this morning. The A/C was so cold, I had to wear a sweater, but at least everyone was wearing a mask.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200708/air-conditioning-may-be-spreading-covid

uly 8, 2020 -- As COVID-19 cases rise rapidly throughout the South, some scientists believe there could be an important, but overlooked factor in the spread of the virus in the region--air conditioning.

Just as chilly winter temps create the perfect conditions for passing colds and flu—driving people indoors and into closer proximity for more hours of the day where it’s easy to swap germs, researchers believe broiling heat in the southern U.S. could be having the same effect, sending people indoors where whirring air conditioners are running full blast.


“You go indoors for the cool, just as in the northeast and other cool places you go in for the warmth in winter, so you’re less socially distanced,” says Edward Nardell, MD, professor of environmental health and immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “You’re more likely to be touching the same surfaces that have been contaminated by people speaking and coughing etc.,” he says.

And that’s not the only problem.

Air conditioning is also risky because of the way air handlers work. When outdoor temperatures are extreme, HVAC systems adjust the mix of fresh air they pull in to save energy. That means the hotter it is outside, the more indoor air recirculates, which means, “You’re breathing a higher percentage of the same air that other people are exhaling,” Nardell says. If someone in the building is shedding the new coronavirus, it can build up in the recirculated air.

One more thing to worry about. .

 

[George S]

While it's not conclusive, some scientists are beginning to consider that air conditioning may be helping spread the virus. I'm glad there was hardly anyone in Publix this morning. The A/C was so cold, I had to wear a sweater, but at least everyone was wearing a mask.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200708/air-conditioning-may-be-spreading-covid

uly 8, 2020 -- As COVID-19 cases rise rapidly throughout the South, some scientists believe there could be an important, but overlooked factor in the spread of the virus in the region--air conditioning.

Just as chilly winter temps create the perfect conditions for passing colds and flu—driving people indoors and into closer proximity for more hours of the day where it’s easy to swap germs, researchers believe broiling heat in the southern U.S. could be having the same effect, sending people indoors where whirring air conditioners are running full blast.


“You go indoors for the cool, just as in the northeast and other cool places you go in for the warmth in winter, so you’re less socially distanced,” says Edward Nardell, MD, professor of environmental health and immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “You’re more likely to be touching the same surfaces that have been contaminated by people speaking and coughing etc.,” he says.

And that’s not the only problem.

Air conditioning is also risky because of the way air handlers work. When outdoor temperatures are extreme, HVAC systems adjust the mix of fresh air they pull in to save energy. That means the hotter it is outside, the more indoor air recirculates, which means, “You’re breathing a higher percentage of the same air that other people are exhaling,” Nardell says. If someone in the building is shedding the new coronavirus, it can build up in the recirculated air.

One more thing to worry about. .

The solution is to add virus-killing UV to all shops' air conditioners. Then advertise you have done so. Those who do should get more customers than those who haven't. Makes business sense.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

While it's not conclusive, some scientists are beginning to consider that air conditioning may be helping spread the virus. I'm glad there was hardly anyone in Publix this morning. The A/C was so cold, I had to wear a sweater, but at least everyone was wearing a mask.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200708/air-conditioning-may-be-spreading-covid

uly 8, 2020 -- As COVID-19 cases rise rapidly throughout the South, some scientists believe there could be an important, but overlooked factor in the spread of the virus in the region--air conditioning.

Just as chilly winter temps create the perfect conditions for passing colds and flu—driving people indoors and into closer proximity for more hours of the day where it’s easy to swap germs, researchers believe broiling heat in the southern U.S. could be having the same effect, sending people indoors where whirring air conditioners are running full blast.


“You go indoors for the cool, just as in the northeast and other cool places you go in for the warmth in winter, so you’re less socially distanced,” says Edward Nardell, MD, professor of environmental health and immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “You’re more likely to be touching the same surfaces that have been contaminated by people speaking and coughing etc.,” he says.

And that’s not the only problem.

Air conditioning is also risky because of the way air handlers work. When outdoor temperatures are extreme, HVAC systems adjust the mix of fresh air they pull in to save energy. That means the hotter it is outside, the more indoor air recirculates, which means, “You’re breathing a higher percentage of the same air that other people are exhaling,” Nardell says. If someone in the building is shedding the new coronavirus, it can build up in the recirculated air.

One more thing to worry about. .

The solution is to add virus-killing UV to all shops' air conditioners. Then advertise you have done so. Those who do should get more customers than those who haven't. Makes business sense.

Such a device would kill everything, even the beneficials. That's not smart.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

While it's not conclusive, some scientists are beginning to consider that air conditioning may be helping spread the virus. I'm glad there was hardly anyone in Publix this morning. The A/C was so cold, I had to wear a sweater, but at least everyone was wearing a mask.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200708/air-conditioning-may-be-spreading-covid

uly 8, 2020 -- As COVID-19 cases rise rapidly throughout the South, some scientists believe there could be an important, but overlooked factor in the spread of the virus in the region--air conditioning.

Just as chilly winter temps create the perfect conditions for passing colds and flu—driving people indoors and into closer proximity for more hours of the day where it’s easy to swap germs, researchers believe broiling heat in the southern U.S. could be having the same effect, sending people indoors where whirring air conditioners are running full blast.


“You go indoors for the cool, just as in the northeast and other cool places you go in for the warmth in winter, so you’re less socially distanced,” says Edward Nardell, MD, professor of environmental health and immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “You’re more likely to be touching the same surfaces that have been contaminated by people speaking and coughing etc.,” he says.

And that’s not the only problem.

Air conditioning is also risky because of the way air handlers work. When outdoor temperatures are extreme, HVAC systems adjust the mix of fresh air they pull in to save energy. That means the hotter it is outside, the more indoor air recirculates, which means, “You’re breathing a higher percentage of the same air that other people are exhaling,” Nardell says. If someone in the building is shedding the new coronavirus, it can build up in the recirculated air.

One more thing to worry about. .

Our office HVAC is absurd and it blows air straight onto us. Reason I don’t (won’t) work there.

It was bad enough as it was!

 

[skepticalbip]

The solution is to add virus-killing UV to all shops' air conditioners. Then advertise you have done so. Those who do should get more customers than those who haven't. Makes business sense.

Such a device would kill everything, even the beneficials. That's not smart.

I dunno. It sounds like a good idea to me. If there are 'good bugs' then clients would miss breathing them in only while they were in the store, not after they leave. Not breathing in the corona virus in stores where they would be denser and missing the "good bugs" for a short time seems like a reasonable trade-off.

 

[blastula]

Fauci was just on the TWiV podcast, and he gave a very good summary of the current state of the science of covid. Unfortunately, much of it is open questions.

TWiV 641: COVID-19 with Dr. Anthony Fauci | This Week in Virology

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[angelo]

Oddly enough, the guy responsible for this disaster will probably benefit from it come November. He can cancel the election, because by then America will probably be up to a million new cases a day with 60,000 a day in deaths. Can't possibly have an election then...

That won't happen, and the election of Groper Joe will not make one iota of difference to the numbers of COVID 19 infections until a vaccine is finally found and produced in numbers required tp halt the widespread infection rate, in perhaps 5-10 years. I hope I'm wrong and a vaccine is available next year. But whatever happens, this virus like all Corona virus will be hanging around for a long, long time. By the way. If a vaccine is found for COVID-19, it'll be the first time in history that a vaccine has been produced for a corona virus.

 

[bilby]

Oddly enough, the guy responsible for this disaster will probably benefit from it come November. He can cancel the election, because by then America will probably be up to a million new cases a day with 60,000 a day in deaths. Can't possibly have an election then...

That won't happen, and the election of Groper Joe will not make one iota of difference to the numbers of COVID 19 infections until a vaccine is finally found and produced in numbers required tp halt the widespread infection rate, in perhaps 5-10 years. I hope I'm wrong and a vaccine is available next year. But whatever happens, this virus like all Corona virus will be hanging around for a long, long time. By the way. If a vaccine is found for COVID-19, it'll be the first time in history that a vaccine has been produced for a corona virus.

There has been a vaccine available for canine enteric coronavirus for over fifteen years.

https://www.merck-animal-health-usa.com/product/canine/Nobivac-Canine-1-DAPPVCV/1

Pretty much everything else you said there is wrong too. But I have to go to work, and it's all been refuted plenty of times already on these boards.

 

[lpetrich]

Masks offer much more protection against coronavirus than many think - masks will protect their wearers as well as other people.

If you’re unlucky enough to encounter an infectious person, wearing any kind of face covering will reduce the amount of virus that your body will take in.

As it turns out, that’s pretty important. Breathing in a small amount of virus may lead to no disease or far more mild infection. But inhaling a huge volume of virus particles can result in serious disease or death.

That’s the argument Dr. Monica Gandhi, UC San Francisco professor of medicine and medical director of the HIV Clinic at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital, is making about why – if you are unlucky to get infected with the virus – masking can still protect you from more severe disease.

“There is this theory that facial masking reduces the (amount of virus you get exposed to) and disease severity,” said Gandhi, who is also director for the Center for AIDS Research at UC San Francisco.

I'm not surprised. I think that mask advocates have been too cautious on that front.

 

[angelo]

Oddly enough, the guy responsible for this disaster will probably benefit from it come November. He can cancel the election, because by then America will probably be up to a million new cases a day with 60,000 a day in deaths. Can't possibly have an election then...

That won't happen, and the election of Groper Joe will not make one iota of difference to the numbers of COVID 19 infections until a vaccine is finally found and produced in numbers required tp halt the widespread infection rate, in perhaps 5-10 years. I hope I'm wrong and a vaccine is available next year. But whatever happens, this virus like all Corona virus will be hanging around for a long, long time. By the way. If a vaccine is found for COVID-19, it'll be the first time in history that a vaccine has been produced for a corona virus.

There has been a vaccine available for canine enteric coronavirus for over fifteen years.

https://www.merck-animal-health-usa.com/product/canine/Nobivac-Canine-1-DAPPVCV/1

Pretty much everything else you said there is wrong too. But I have to go to work, and it's all been refuted plenty of times already on these boards.

We are discussing humans here not dogs. There are flu vaccines around as well which took 5-10 years to develop.

 

[George S]

This disease is so bad you need to be tested to know if you have it.

 

[Worldtraveller]

This disease is so bad you need to be tested to know if you have it.

What's your point? It has a long incubation time.

 

[bilby]

This disease is so bad you need to be tested to know if you have it.

What's your point? It has a long incubation time.

I have seen that exact stupid line quite a lot recently.

Presumably some Republican marketing guru has decided it's got the right marketing punch to be effective in pushing their narrative that there's nothing to worry about.

These morons still think that there's nothing that matters except appearances, and that the truth is a matter of public opinion and perceptions. So if everyone would just pretend that there isn't a problem, then there won't be a problem.

Pay no attention to the stacks of full body bags in the refrigerated semi-trailers.

 

[George S]

This disease is so bad you need to be tested to know if you have it.

What's your point? It has a long incubation time.

I have seen that exact stupid line quite a lot recently.

Presumably some Republican marketing guru has decided it's got the right marketing punch to be effective in pushing their narrative that there's nothing to worry about.

These morons still think that there's nothing that matters except appearances, and that the truth is a matter of public opinion and perceptions. So if everyone would just pretend that there isn't a problem, then there won't be a problem.

Pay no attention to the stacks of full body bags in the refrigerated semi-trailers.

Indeed, the ICU is filling up in Houston.
I thought it was a funny line.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/22/can-you-get-coronavirus-twice/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_virusreinfection-130pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

When Sophie Cunningham, a guard for the WNBA’s Phoenix Mercury, returned to training last week after a bout with covid-19, she made an announcement that startled fans. She said she believed she had been infected twice — once in March and then again in June or July.
“They said you can only get it once, but I’ve had it twice,” she told reporters Thursday. “Hopefully, I’m done with it.”
As the United States marks its sixth month since the arrival of the virus, Cunningham’s story is among a growing number of reports of people getting covid-19, recovering and then falling sick again — assertions, that if proved, could complicate efforts to make a long-lasting vaccine, or to achieve herd immunity where most of the population has become immune to the virus.
Doctors emphasize there is no evidence of widespread vulnerability to reinfection and that it is difficult to know what to make of these cases in the absence of detailed lab work, or medical studies documenting reinfections. Some people could be suffering from a reemergence of the same illness from virus that had been lurking somewhere in their body, or they could have been hit with a different virus with similar symptoms. Their positive covid-19 tests could have been false positives — a not-insignificant possibility given accuracy issues with some tests — or picked up dead remnants of virus, as authorities believe happened in hundreds of people who tested positive after recovering in South Korea.

I think I or somebody might have mentioned this before, but I didn't go back and check. This could be a very worrisome development if it turns out to be true.

So in a world where 14.5 million people have had the coronavirus, a small number with resurgent sickness should not be cause for alarm.
“The big question is: Is that a rare situation, or is that going to be the rule?” Griffin said.
Based on what we know about the novel coronavirus, physicians and public health officials say reinfection is certainly a theoretical possibility. But they disagree over whether there is convincing evidence that that is happening and if so, what the implications might be for vaccines.
“No one is yet believing in reinfection since there is no good scientific report on it,” Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine and associate chief of infectious diseases at the University of California-San Francisco, said. “On the other hand, no one wants to dismiss the possibility.”

There is so much yet to learn about this virus. If it's true that one can become reinfected again, that makes it much harder to develop an effective vaccine. So, will it be like the common cold virus, where a person can become infected several times in the same. year, or will it be like the chicken pox virus where it's extremely rare to become infected a second time?

 

[Worldtraveller]

Also, given the wide range of symptoms, from little to none, to death, I'm tempted to go get tested.

I haven't had any obvious symptoms, but my wife had a fever and sore throat for several days, and I have had some mild headaches for the last few days.

I'm listening to the local morning radio show (3 DJs) and they all 3 tested positive, but only one of the 3 had any real symptoms. He and his wife have had the equivalent of a bad cold, their child has shown no real symptoms. The other 2 DJs haven't shown symptoms.

This is a very strange bug.....