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"Coronavirus and the US" or "We are all going to die!!!!"

I don't know anyone who accepts that the pandemic is real arguing not to take it even if it only makes people asymptomatic. That would just make the argument stronger that everyone will need it but for a time people who have been vaccinated should still wear their masks, etc...
 
crazyfingers said:
I don't know anyone who accepts that the pandemic is real arguing not to take it even if it only makes people asymptomatic. That would just make the argument stronger that everyone will need it but for a time people who have been vaccinated should still wear their masks, etc...
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That is not what I meant. I will be taking the vaccine myself.

There has to be a recognition of sliding scale risk here as has been the case with all other diseases that are airborne.

Making people asymptomatic means what exactly?

For a healthy person would the vaccine be the reaction be the same as getting an infected person sneeze on you after having fought it off and not having the immunity wane yet?

Also there needs to be a low baseline of this going around that below it things have to be allowed to run as normal. And that number needs to be said ahead of time. No more goalpost shifts. If it is only the same as a light flu season then still we all stay home and masked up only to go to the grocery store?
 
On another note, this video is very impressive with the amount of work put into it reviewing journals about possible Covid-19 and vitamin-d connections.

 
crazyfingers said:
That has been a puzzle to me about these vaccines. I have read that they don't know yet if the vaccine makes one immune or whether it prevents someone from "getting sick". From what I've read it sounds like the vaccine may not make someone immune but if infected be asymptomatic. So a vaccinated person may still be able to get it and spread it but not know it.

I'd love to be corrected if someone else knows better.
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They haven't tested whether it stops spread or not--how could they??--so they can't say it does.
 
repoman said:
On another note, this video is very impressive with the amount of work put into it reviewing journals about possible Covid-19 and vitamin-d connections.

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YouTube is NOT an academic source, and you can't possibly tell if it's "impressive" because it's full of useful facts; Or "impressive" that it's able to spout obvious nonsense so confidently, unless you are already qualified to know, in which case it's a waste of time watching it.

I know humans almost invariably mistake confidence for truthfulness and accuracy; But they are wrong to do so.

If you get your information about ANYTHING from YouTube (or it's great granddaddy, TV), you are doing it wrong.
 
CNN reported that for Moderna vaccine group 14 people got infected without symptoms, whereas in placebo there were 38.
So it seems it prevents infections. And the numbers are misleading because vaccine does not start working immediately, some people got asymptomatically infected before full immunity developed.
 
bilby said:
repoman said:
On another note, this video is very impressive with the amount of work put into it reviewing journals about possible Covid-19 and vitamin-d connections.

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YouTube is NOT an academic source, and you can't possibly tell if it's "impressive" because it's full of useful facts; Or "impressive" that it's able to spout obvious nonsense so confidently, unless you are already qualified to know, in which case it's a waste of time watching it.

I know humans almost invariably mistake confidence for truthfulness and accuracy; But they are wrong to do so.

If you get your information about ANYTHING from YouTube (or it's great granddaddy, TV), you are doing it wrong.
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Did you watch it at all?

Spend 10 minutess watchings it or miss me with your dickhead attitude.

These are the studies he discussed and gave references for:


REFERENCES:

The National Human Activity Pattern Survey (NHAPS)... (J. of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology) | https://www.researchgate.net/publicat...

Aging decreases the capacity of human skin to produce vitamin D3 (The J. of Clinical Investigation) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2997282/

Racial differences in the relationship between vitamin D... (Osteoporosis Int.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Decreased bioavailability of vitamin D in obesity (The American J of Clinical Nutrition) | https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article...

Vitamin D Insufficiency and Deficiency and Mortality from Respiratory Diseases ... (Nutrients) | https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2488

Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis... (BMJ) | https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i...

Randomized trial of vitamin D supplementation to prevent seasonal influenza A... (The American J.of Clinical Nutrition) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20219...

Vitamin D and SARS-CoV-2 infection... (Irish J. of Medical Science) | https://link.springer.com/article/10....

Factors associated with COVID-19-related death... (Nature) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s4158...

Editorial: low population mortality from COVID-19 ... (Alimentary Pharm. & Therap.) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32311...

The role of vitamin D in the prevention of coronavirus ... (Aging Clinical & Experimental Research) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

25-Hydroxyvitamin D Concentrations Are Lower in Patients with ... SARS-CoV-2 (Nutrients) | https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/5/1359

Vitamin D deficiency in COVID-19: Mixing up cause and consequence (Metabolism) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Low plasma 25(OH) vitamin D level... increased risk of COVID-19... (The FEBS J.) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32700...

The link between vitamin D deficiency and Covid-19... | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11...

SARS-CoV-2 positivity rates... with circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels (PLOS One) | https://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...

Vitamin D status and outcomes for... COVID-19 (Postgrad Medical J.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Vitamin D Deficiency and Outcome of COVID-19... (Nutrients) | https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/9/2757

“Effect of calcifediol treatment...” (The J. of Steroid Bio. and Molec. Bio.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Vitamin D and survival in COVID-19 patients... (The J. of Steroid Bio. and Molec. Bio.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Effect of Vitamin D3 ... vs Placebo on Hospital Length of Stay...: A Multicenter, Double-blind, Randomized Controlled Trial | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11...

Short term, high-dose vitamin D... for COVID-19 disease: a randomized, placebo-controlled, study [SHADE study] (Postgraduate Medical Journal) | https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/202...

Association of Vitamin D Status... With COVID-19 Test Results (JAMA Network Open) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...

Vitamin D Fortification of Fluid Milk ... A Review (Nutrients) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Analysis of vitamin D level among asymptomatic and critically ill COVID-19 patients... (Scientific Reports from the Journal Nature) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
 
bilby said:
repoman said:
On another note, this video is very impressive with the amount of work put into it reviewing journals about possible Covid-19 and vitamin-d connections.

Click to expand...


YouTube is NOT an academic source, and you can't possibly tell if it's "impressive" because it's full of useful facts; Or "impressive" that it's able to spout obvious nonsense so confidently, unless you are already qualified to know, in which case it's a waste of time watching it.

I know humans almost invariably mistake confidence for truthfulness and accuracy; But they are wrong to do so.

If you get your information about ANYTHING from YouTube (or it's great granddaddy, TV), you are doing it wrong.
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You overgeneralize. I have watched his hundreds of videos explaining the chemistry. He is a professor in a medical school and treating COVID patients personally. Do not discount him since he published on YouTube and makes money by explaining difficult medical topics as his profession.
 
crazyfingers said:
That has been a puzzle to me about these vaccines. I have read that they don't know yet if the vaccine makes one immune or whether it prevents someone from "getting sick". From what I've read it sounds like the vaccine may not make someone immune but if infected be asymptomatic. So a vaccinated person may still be able to get it and spread it but not know it.

I'd love to be corrected if someone else knows better.
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I think it does both, but I can't find the link I read recently about it. I believe your system (once you've had the vaccine) will stop the virus from reproducing fairly quickly. Like I said, I can't find the article I read, but it reduces the potential asymptomatic spreading down to 3-4 days because the virus will still reproduce for a bit before your body reacts.

That's my understanding of it, but I can ask one of my online virologist friends.

So I will continue to wear my mask for the foreseeable future even after the vaccine is widespread.
 
repoman said:
bilby said:
repoman said:
On another note, this video is very impressive with the amount of work put into it reviewing journals about possible Covid-19 and vitamin-d connections.

Click to expand...


YouTube is NOT an academic source, and you can't possibly tell if it's "impressive" because it's full of useful facts; Or "impressive" that it's able to spout obvious nonsense so confidently, unless you are already qualified to know, in which case it's a waste of time watching it.

I know humans almost invariably mistake confidence for truthfulness and accuracy; But they are wrong to do so.

If you get your information about ANYTHING from YouTube (or it's great granddaddy, TV), you are doing it wrong.
Click to expand...


Did you watch it at all?

Spend 10 minutess watchings it or miss me with your dickhead attitude.

These are the studies he discussed and gave references for:


REFERENCES:

The National Human Activity Pattern Survey (NHAPS)... (J. of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology) | https://www.researchgate.net/publicat...

Aging decreases the capacity of human skin to produce vitamin D3 (The J. of Clinical Investigation) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2997282/

Racial differences in the relationship between vitamin D... (Osteoporosis Int.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Decreased bioavailability of vitamin D in obesity (The American J of Clinical Nutrition) | https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article...

Vitamin D Insufficiency and Deficiency and Mortality from Respiratory Diseases ... (Nutrients) | https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2488

Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis... (BMJ) | https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i...

Randomized trial of vitamin D supplementation to prevent seasonal influenza A... (The American J.of Clinical Nutrition) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20219...

Vitamin D and SARS-CoV-2 infection... (Irish J. of Medical Science) | https://link.springer.com/article/10....

Factors associated with COVID-19-related death... (Nature) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s4158...

Editorial: low population mortality from COVID-19 ... (Alimentary Pharm. & Therap.) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32311...

The role of vitamin D in the prevention of coronavirus ... (Aging Clinical & Experimental Research) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

25-Hydroxyvitamin D Concentrations Are Lower in Patients with ... SARS-CoV-2 (Nutrients) | https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/5/1359

Vitamin D deficiency in COVID-19: Mixing up cause and consequence (Metabolism) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Low plasma 25(OH) vitamin D level... increased risk of COVID-19... (The FEBS J.) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32700...

The link between vitamin D deficiency and Covid-19... | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11...

SARS-CoV-2 positivity rates... with circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels (PLOS One) | https://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...

Vitamin D status and outcomes for... COVID-19 (Postgrad Medical J.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Vitamin D Deficiency and Outcome of COVID-19... (Nutrients) | https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/9/2757

“Effect of calcifediol treatment...” (The J. of Steroid Bio. and Molec. Bio.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Vitamin D and survival in COVID-19 patients... (The J. of Steroid Bio. and Molec. Bio.) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Effect of Vitamin D3 ... vs Placebo on Hospital Length of Stay...: A Multicenter, Double-blind, Randomized Controlled Trial | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11...

Short term, high-dose vitamin D... for COVID-19 disease: a randomized, placebo-controlled, study [SHADE study] (Postgraduate Medical Journal) | https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/202...

Association of Vitamin D Status... With COVID-19 Test Results (JAMA Network Open) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...

Vitamin D Fortification of Fluid Milk ... A Review (Nutrients) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Analysis of vitamin D level among asymptomatic and critically ill COVID-19 patients... (Scientific Reports from the Journal Nature) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
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No, I didn't fucking watch it at all.

I don't owe anyone ten minutes of my life, and I am certainly not going to waste ten minutes hearing dubious "research" in video form that could have been covered by ten seconds of reading.
 
Role of vitamin D in preventing of COVID-19 infection, progression and severity https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876034120305311


Conclusions: In the randomized trials and meta-analysis, vitamin D supplementation has been shown to have protective effects against respiratory tract infections; therefore, people who are at higher risk of vitamin D deficiency during this global pandemic should consider taking vitamin D supplements to maintain the circulating 25(OH)D in the optimal levels (75–125 nmol/L). Some retrospective studies demonstrated a correlation between vitamin D and COVID-19 cases and outcomes, while other studies did not find the correlation when confounding variables are adjusted. Yet, there is insufficient evidence on the association between vitamin D levels and COVID-19 severity and mortality. Therefore, randomized controlled trials and large-scale cohort studies are necessary to test this hypothesis.
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That is the tests required aren't worth the effort or resources required to produce relevant results.

EYUP. Less than ten minutes.
 
That was from January. So what do you think? And I don't think we can even say that asymptomatic transmission is "the driver" here, only that it's a big contributor.
 
From TWiV virologist Racaniello, a nice intro to virus mutations and specifically the UK variant in the news.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC8ObD2W4Rk[/YOUTUBE]

In short, we can't know yet if it's more transmissible, have to do experiments, not guess from epidemiological data. And science journalism is stupid.

Some similar analysis from the CDC.

Implications of the Emerging SARS-CoV-2 Variant VOC 202012/01 | CDC
 
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