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"Coronavirus and the US" or "We are all going to die!!!!"

This is why individual patients need to consult qualified and trained medical specialists
There are no such specialists at present. And average doctors in general are overrated. They don't really know that much and understand even less.
We don't really know long term effects of asymptomatic covid19. Some medical "specialists" are starting to say it takes 10 years from life expectancy. I only hope it's only for these who have severe or at least noticeable symptoms.
 
Pigs and chicken should be kept separate and in small fully quarantined groups at all time.

That sounds like a great idea. How do you plan to enforce this in China, where many people still live in close proximity to both, and huge numbers of both are traded, live, in busy markets? Live meat is the only guaranteed fresh meat for most Chinese consumers. Banning the intermingling of live pigs and chickens would be at best hugely unpopular, and could easily lead to significant numbers of deaths from food poisoning, and/or a severe reduction in the quality and quantity of food available to ordinary chinese citizens.
China is a totalitarian regime, aren't they?
Meanwhile 440 infected and 9 dead. And it transmits between humans.

Have not been updating in a while:

infected: 84,979,166
dead: 1,843,429
 
China is a totalitarian regime, aren't they?
Meanwhile 440 infected and 9 dead. And it transmits between humans.

The trick to running a totalitarian regime is to never issue an order that you know will be disobeyed, unless you are prepared and able to arrest all of those who disobey; Or unless your purpose is to make everyone an outlaw subject to arbitrary arrest.

The Chinese government doesn't have the ability to enforce such a law - it would require arresting a sizeable fraction of the population (if they could all be identified and their crime detected, which they couldn't), and it would be widely ignored as the impractical and stupid demand that it is.

And shutting the stable door wouldn't bring those nine people back to life.

Nine dead is utterly trivial anyway. More people have been killed in Wuhan by automobiles in the last couple of weeks.

Number of dead is not trivial anymore.
 
China is a totalitarian regime, aren't they?
Meanwhile 440 infected and 9 dead. And it transmits between humans.

The trick to running a totalitarian regime is to never issue an order that you know will be disobeyed, unless you are prepared and able to arrest all of those who disobey; Or unless your purpose is to make everyone an outlaw subject to arbitrary arrest.

The Chinese government doesn't have the ability to enforce such a law - it would require arresting a sizeable fraction of the population (if they could all be identified and their crime detected, which they couldn't), and it would be widely ignored as the impractical and stupid demand that it is.

And shutting the stable door wouldn't bring those nine people back to life.

Nine dead is utterly trivial anyway. More people have been killed in Wuhan by automobiles in the last couple of weeks.

Number of dead is not trivial anymore.

True. but it's still outside the realm of possibility for the Chinese government to enforce the rule you suggested:

Pigs and chicken should be kept separate and in small fully quarantined groups at all time.

Chinese pig and chicken rearing just isn't done in a way that would make that possible. Unlike the death toll, that's unchanged since 22 January 2020.
 
I've read several articles this week about how overwhelmed the hospitals in Georgia are now. I read about an ambulance drive that tried to take an old man with a broken bone to several hospitals that they all turned him away. Finally, the ambulance driver simply took him into an ER out of frustration, as there was no place willing to accept him. What a fucking nightmare.

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/a-look-at-major-covid-19-developments-hospitals-overwhelmed/SA4L4XBDAJA4BGFO27EU5LCI5A/

COVID-19 cases are swamping Georgia hospitals, testing them in every way. Hospital officials say that they are already forced to decide which patients receive scarce resources. But those decisions could become more grave with projections showing that hospitalizations will continue to climb in the weeks ahead.

State officials decided to reopen a field hospital at the Georgia World Congress Center.

People who continue to be careless have no respect for the healthcare workers who are totally overwhelmed and burned out from this pandemic.
 
State officials decided to reopen a field hospital at the Georgia World Congress Center.

That should fix it. The GWCC is vast (1,500,000 square feet)
Now, if they can round up a few thousand staff ...

There must be hundreds of thousands unemployed nurses with IC specialisation all over the northern hemisphere, from Germany to UK and Hungary, right? Just ease the red tape and hand out a few green cards.

Not. The stats aren't really looking better in much of Europe, worse in some places.
 
State officials decided to reopen a field hospital at the Georgia World Congress Center.

That should fix it. The GWCC is vast (1,500,000 square feet)
Now, if they can round up a few thousand staff ...

This is a perfect opportunity to show the power of the free market. Just put prices up until the number of patients who can afford treatment is less than or equal to the number you have the resources to treat.

High prices will make it attractive to build new hospitals and train new doctors and nurses; Young people will see the high wages for CoVID specialists and want to become doctors and nurses with those skills. In no more than about seven to ten years, there will be plenty of equipment, facilities, and staff, prices will drop dramatically, and any middle class American will be able to afford treatment.

Of course, if you can't wait that long, you can go full Libertarian on the problem, eliminate the pointless job-killing regulations that say hospitals must be clean, with trained and qualified staff, and effective and safe treatments and procedures; Then everyone can get "treatment" today on a sliding scale of quality determined by their ability to pay (and their ability to assess the quality of care that they are unqualified to provide).

Anything else is communism.
 
State officials decided to reopen a field hospital at the Georgia World Congress Center.

That should fix it. The GWCC is vast (1,500,000 square feet)
Now, if they can round up a few thousand staff ...

There must be hundreds of thousands unemployed nurses with IC specialisation all over the northern hemisphere, from Germany to UK and Hungary, right? Just ease the red tape and hand out a few green cards.

Not. The stats aren't really looking better in much of Europe, worse in some places.

No need to poach from countries that need them for their own covid patients -- the required medical professionals are already here. We can poach them from Uber and Lyft.

Why refugee doctors become taxi drivers
 
Another interesting and useful video from Medcram that is good for chore time and pausing for exact information:

 
So, after over a hundred days with zero community transmission in Queensland, yesterday a cleaner who works at one of the quarantine hotels for people returning from overseas tested positive to COVID.

Today it was confirmed that she has the more contagious UK variant, and as a result we are in a three day lockdown starting at 6pm tonight (Friday, in four hours from now) and ending 6pm Monday - if there are no further cases detected.

People are not permitted to leave home except for essential purposes, and mask wearing is mandatory if you do venture out for any reason.

This is our response to one case. Singular.

Our willingness to impose and implement this level of response is why we only have one case, singular, to which we need respond.

Hopefully this will put the lid back on in short order. But much better to have a few weeks of severe restrictions now, than to need months of them later.
 
So, after over a hundred days with zero community transmission in Queensland, yesterday a cleaner who works at one of the quarantine hotels for people returning from overseas tested positive to COVID.

Today it was confirmed that she has the more contagious UK variant, and as a result we are in a three day lockdown starting at 6pm tonight (Friday, in four hours from now) and ending 6pm Monday - if there are no further cases detected.

People are not permitted to leave home except for essential purposes, and mask wearing is mandatory if you do venture out for any reason.

This is our response to one case. Singular.

Our willingness to impose and implement this level of response is why we only have one case, singular, to which we need respond.

Hopefully this will put the lid back on in short order. But much better to have a few weeks of severe restrictions now, than to need months of them later.

Or end up with dead loved ones.
 
So, after over a hundred days with zero community transmission in Queensland, yesterday a cleaner who works at one of the quarantine hotels for people returning from overseas tested positive to COVID.

Today it was confirmed that she has the more contagious UK variant, and as a result we are in a three day lockdown starting at 6pm tonight (Friday, in four hours from now) and ending 6pm Monday - if there are no further cases detected.

People are not permitted to leave home except for essential purposes, and mask wearing is mandatory if you do venture out for any reason.

This is our response to one case. Singular.

Meanwhile in Europe, the Austrian government is standing by its plan to lift most of the current restrictions by January 25 (though with an occasional "if the numbers allow it" thrown in, never specifying what that would mean). The plan is to open schools (including for older kids - for the first time since October for those over 14), non-essential shops (they were closed for three weeks late November to early December, then opened for Christmas shopping and are now closed again since boxing day), indoor dining (with capacity limits, for the first time since early November).

We currently count about one new confirmed case per minute per Queensland equivalent population.
 
So in two years western democracies, including Australia, which continue to trade individual freedom for elder deaths will have herd immunity and broken economies with nothing but millions of deaths to show for it.

Not including Australia.

Probably including Austria, which is a completely different country.

Don't worry though, when tourism is eventually allowed again, I am sure the souvenir shops in Vienna will still sell toy kangaroos and koalas for the avoidance of arguments with Americans.
 
bilby, do you have many covid denier protestors over there?
 
bilby, do you have many covid denier protestors over there?

Some.

They're not getting much traction.

Mostly it seems to be the usual anti-vax suspects.

Australians don't tend to bother too much about freedom as a concept or self-contained ideological stance, though we do have a lot of leakage of these things from American culture. Our modern nation was founded as a prison, so we pretty much expect that everything that's not mandatory will be prohibited.

In my state, an arrested person has two legal rights: To be told the name, rank, and police station of their arresting officer; And to be provided with a detailed list of any charges against them, if and when charges are laid.

That's it. There are no others. Miranda certainly doesn't apply, and a police 'caution' typically consists of "You are under arrest, get in the van". Asking for a lawyer or phone call might well get you one. Demanding them probably won't.

Oddly, in day to day life, (white) Australians are about the most free people on Earth, having worked out that the only way to handle our draconian and all pervading laws is to ignore any that don't seem to make sense, or don't seem likely to be enforced. She'll be right, mate.

Complaining about being denied your rights isn't particularly effective when you never had any rights to deny. If the government is forcing you to wear a mask, then so what? They're forcing you to do a metric shit-ton of other stuff too, and it's not worth arcing up about it - just ignore it unless everyone else is obeying. Being the odd one out might get you fined. So Australians tend to go along with the crowd, rather than worrying about what the actual rules are. It's incredibly democratic.

Right now, the highly unofficial democratic will of the people seems to be 'wear your bloody mask'.
 
I knew there was something about Australia that made it different from, say Wyoming. It turns out to be women, not open spaces. There had to be a higher proportion of women that came to Australia than came Wyoming. Otherwise there's nothing else that can explain why coming from a place with a harsh climate and very few people per sq whatever over the same period wouldn't result in people being the same. After all both originally came from essentially the same peasant stock. They even talk alike.

Oh wait. Things are much colder in Wyoming. That's why fewer women?
 
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