Covid-19 miscellany

[TSwizzle]

78% of Democratic voters support the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate plan
75% of likely Democratic voters have a favorable opinion of Dr. Fauci
59% of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine
55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine
48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications
47% of Democrats favor governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others
45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine
29% of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine

Rasmussen

Remember, if you oppose that, it is because you are a "Fascist".

And according to the Canada PM, probably a racist and a misogynist too.

 

[TSwizzle]

It should be viewed as a civic duty to be vaccinated.

Yeah, just like jury duty. Everyone loves that.

 

[bilby]

It should be viewed as a civic duty to be vaccinated.

Yeah, just like jury duty. Everyone loves that.

So your thesis is that nobody should ever have to do things they don't enjoy, no matter how beneficial those things might be?

Getting vaccinated isn't fun. Doing jury duty isn't fun. Paying taxes isn't fun. Storming the beaches on D-Day wasn't, according to those who did it, a joy filled extravaganza of laughter and entertainment.

Most people over the age of five (outside California) recognise that some things that are no fun at all nevertheless need to be done - and not only by people who aren't them.

 

[repoman]

Can someone comment on whether or not there might be some level of "original antigenic sin" with using a two year old recipe for the newer omicron strains?

This video from 53:07 and forward...



Risk myocarditis for an outdated vaccine booster for young healthy people?

Risk/Benefit anyone?

 

[Metaphor]

Because it's never been done before is a poor reason to not do something now. Can you imagine what we wouldn't have if that philosophy was carried out elsewhere in society?

I did not say that because it had never been done before it shouldn't be done now. I was addressing Toni's implication that it had been done before.

 

[Metaphor]

This

Metaphor reminds me of just about every Baptist I have ever known: "But we have never done it that way before!" I can't help but wonder if he has Baptists in his background

"This" what?

Show me where I made the argument "it's never been done before so we shouldn't do it".

You can't show me because I did not do that. I simply pushed back on Toni's implication that mass compulsory vaccinations for all unconsenting adults was something the US gov't had done before.

 

[Metaphor]

In other words, the US has never forced a vaccine on its entire adult population before.

Can you name another situation in history where:

1 A pandemic has inundated an entire continent and the world
2 A vaccine exists
3 A huge share of the population refuses to vaccinate due to nonsense reasons thus creating the greatest threat of spread and mutation

So just because we were not in this situation before is no argument for what to do now.

For fuck's sake, and this is the last time I am going to repeat this, I did not make the argument 'it has never been done before so we shouldn't do it now'. You can't show me where I made that argument because I did not make that argument. I pushed back on Toni's implied claim that a vaccine mandate on all unconsenting adults was something that had already happened in history, or is not materially different to vaccines in certain employment roles or for minors.

 

[Metaphor]

That isn't demonization, that is logistical truth. You really need to learn the difference between the two.

It is demonisation. Fat people use an extraordinary amount of healthcare resources, but nobody is forcing fat people to do something against their will. Also, it's some people with COVID that are using resources, not unvaccinated people. There are unvaccinated people who will never get COVID.

But, I can see why universal health care in the US will never be a reality. The absolute malice of some people--"we should dance on the graves of the unvaccinated"--is a sure sign there is no public will to help ideological enemies.

 

[bilby]

Hana Horka: Czech singer dies after catching Covid intentionally​

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60050996

Although she was unvaccinated, Jan Rek stressed that his mother did not believe in some of the more bizarre conspiracy theories about Covid vaccines.

"Her philosophy was that she was more OK with the idea of catching Covid than getting vaccinated. Not that we would get microchipped or anything like that," he said.
There was no point in trying to discuss the issue with her as it would just get too emotional, he added. Instead, he hoped that by telling his story he could convince others to get vaccinated.

 

[ZiprHead]

In other words, the US has never forced a vaccine on its entire adult population before.

Can you name another situation in history where:

1 A pandemic has inundated an entire continent and the world
2 A vaccine exists
3 A huge share of the population refuses to vaccinate due to nonsense reasons thus creating the greatest threat of spread and mutation

So just because we were not in this situation before is no argument for what to do now.

For fuck's sake, and this is the last time I am going to repeat this, I did not make the argument 'it has never been done before so we shouldn't do it now'. You can't show me where I made that argument because I did not make that argument. I pushed back on Toni's implied claim that a vaccine mandate on all unconsenting adults was something that had already happened in history, or is not materially different to vaccines in certain employment roles or for minors.

It has.

ALL ADULTS

** AUSTRIA: all over 14s from February 2022; holdouts can be fined up to 3,600 euros every 3 months read more

** ECUADOR: obligatory, except for people who have a relevant medical condition or incompatibility read more

** GERMANY: plans to make mandatory for all adults from February read more

** INDONESIA: all adults, with fines or refusal of social assistance or government services for the unvaccinated.


** MICRONESIA: all adults

** TAJIKISTAN: all over 18s

** TURKMENISTAN: all over 18s

Factbox: Countries making COVID-19 vaccines mandatory

Governments have been making COVID-19 shots mandatory for health workers and other high-risk groups, pushed by a sharp upturn in infections caused by the Delta variant and a slowdown in vaccinations, as well as the new Omicron variant.

www.reuters.com

 

[Metaphor]

In other words, the US has never forced a vaccine on its entire adult population before.

Can you name another situation in history where:

1 A pandemic has inundated an entire continent and the world
2 A vaccine exists
3 A huge share of the population refuses to vaccinate due to nonsense reasons thus creating the greatest threat of spread and mutation

So just because we were not in this situation before is no argument for what to do now.

For fuck's sake, and this is the last time I am going to repeat this, I did not make the argument 'it has never been done before so we shouldn't do it now'. You can't show me where I made that argument because I did not make that argument. I pushed back on Toni's implied claim that a vaccine mandate on all unconsenting adults was something that had already happened in history, or is not materially different to vaccines in certain employment roles or for minors.

It has.

ALL ADULTS

** AUSTRIA: all over 14s from February 2022; holdouts can be fined up to 3,600 euros every 3 months read more

** ECUADOR: obligatory, except for people who have a relevant medical condition or incompatibility read more

** GERMANY: plans to make mandatory for all adults from February read more

** INDONESIA: all adults, with fines or refusal of social assistance or government services for the unvaccinated.


** MICRONESIA: all adults

** TAJIKISTAN: all over 18s

** TURKMENISTAN: all over 18s

Factbox: Countries making COVID-19 vaccines mandatory

Governments have been making COVID-19 shots mandatory for health workers and other high-risk groups, pushed by a sharp upturn in infections caused by the Delta variant and a slowdown in vaccinations, as well as the new Omicron variant.

www.reuters.com

So if one or all of these proposals pass, then yes, it looks like Austria and Germany might be the first to make COVID-19 vaccinations compulsory for all adults.

The governments of those countries are violating the human rights of their citizens.

 

[ZiprHead]

The governments unvaccinated of those countries are violating the human rights of their citizens.

FTFY

 

[ZiprHead]

In other words, the US has never forced a vaccine on its entire adult population before.

Can you name another situation in history where:

1 A pandemic has inundated an entire continent and the world
2 A vaccine exists
3 A huge share of the population refuses to vaccinate due to nonsense reasons thus creating the greatest threat of spread and mutation

So just because we were not in this situation before is no argument for what to do now.

For fuck's sake, and this is the last time I am going to repeat this, I did not make the argument 'it has never been done before so we shouldn't do it now'. You can't show me where I made that argument because I did not make that argument. I pushed back on Toni's implied claim that a vaccine mandate on all unconsenting adults was something that had already happened in history, or is not materially different to vaccines in certain employment roles or for minors.

It has.

ALL ADULTS

** AUSTRIA: all over 14s from February 2022; holdouts can be fined up to 3,600 euros every 3 months read more

** ECUADOR: obligatory, except for people who have a relevant medical condition or incompatibility read more

** GERMANY: plans to make mandatory for all adults from February read more

** INDONESIA: all adults, with fines or refusal of social assistance or government services for the unvaccinated.


** MICRONESIA: all adults

** TAJIKISTAN: all over 18s

** TURKMENISTAN: all over 18s

Factbox: Countries making COVID-19 vaccines mandatory

Governments have been making COVID-19 shots mandatory for health workers and other high-risk groups, pushed by a sharp upturn in infections caused by the Delta variant and a slowdown in vaccinations, as well as the new Omicron variant.

www.reuters.com

So if one or all of these proposals pass, then yes, it looks like Austria and Germany might be the first to make COVID-19 vaccinations compulsory for all adults.

Most of those have already passed.

 

[Metaphor]

In other words, the US has never forced a vaccine on its entire adult population before.

Can you name another situation in history where:

1 A pandemic has inundated an entire continent and the world
2 A vaccine exists
3 A huge share of the population refuses to vaccinate due to nonsense reasons thus creating the greatest threat of spread and mutation

So just because we were not in this situation before is no argument for what to do now.

For fuck's sake, and this is the last time I am going to repeat this, I did not make the argument 'it has never been done before so we shouldn't do it now'. You can't show me where I made that argument because I did not make that argument. I pushed back on Toni's implied claim that a vaccine mandate on all unconsenting adults was something that had already happened in history, or is not materially different to vaccines in certain employment roles or for minors.

It has.

ALL ADULTS

** AUSTRIA: all over 14s from February 2022; holdouts can be fined up to 3,600 euros every 3 months read more

** ECUADOR: obligatory, except for people who have a relevant medical condition or incompatibility read more

** GERMANY: plans to make mandatory for all adults from February read more

** INDONESIA: all adults, with fines or refusal of social assistance or government services for the unvaccinated.


** MICRONESIA: all adults

** TAJIKISTAN: all over 18s

** TURKMENISTAN: all over 18s

Factbox: Countries making COVID-19 vaccines mandatory

Governments have been making COVID-19 shots mandatory for health workers and other high-risk groups, pushed by a sharp upturn in infections caused by the Delta variant and a slowdown in vaccinations, as well as the new Omicron variant.

www.reuters.com

So if one or all of these proposals pass, then yes, it looks like Austria and Germany might be the first to make COVID-19 vaccinations compulsory for all adults.

Most of those have already passed.

All of them human rights luminaries.

 

[Rhea]

Thread re-opened.

The moderation team is no longer tolerating deceptive titles and editing that portray the opposite of the link (in either direction). It amounts to a bait-and-switch link and is a violation of the TOU.

The misinformation post and its replies have been moved to ~Elsewhere

All users should note this policy.

 

[Metaphor]

In good news, effective COVID treatments are being discovered and developed:

MSN

A £15 blood-thinning drug could help Covid patients and prevent lung damage, a study suggested today.

Researchers based in the UK and Australia found heparin improved oxygen levels of hospitalised patients by 70 per cent.

The drug is unique because of its combination of anti-viral, anti-inflammatory and anti-coagulant effects, experts said.

Heparin — which is found in drugs such as Lovenox — is already used in hospitals to treat infected Brits suffering clots. It is usually injected but doctors found it was safe and effective for Covid patients when inhaled.

Experts believe the drug works by preventing the virus multiplying in the lungs, while its anti-inflammatory properties stop the immune system overreacting.

Pfizer's Covid pill showed effectiveness against the Omicron variant in lab tests.


The company revealed data showing that its pill Paxlovid showed promise in a laboratory environment in three tests.
Nirmatrelvir, the drug's active ingredient, showed effectiveness is neutralising the virus in the trials that are still pending peer review.
The highly mutated Omicron variant has displayed the ability to bypass vaccines and Covid treatments since it first emerged last year.
Pharmaceutical companies have been working to tweak vaccines and treatments to be effective against the new mutant strain.
Dr Michael Dolsten, Pfizer's chief science officer, said: 'We specifically designed Paxlovid to retain its activity across coronaviruses, as well as current variants of concern with predominantly spike protein mutations.'
He added that the antiviral pill showed the ability to cut the risk of hospitalisation or death from the virus by 90 percent if taken early in infection.
Professor Frank van Haren, study author from the Australian National University, said: 'This drug is already available in hospitals all over the world.

'It is a very inexpensive drug. If it is as effective as our early results suggest, it could have a major impact in our fight against Covid.'

 

[repoman]

This lecture is a bit of a slog but it mentions heparin a few times



Also, what is the proof that omicron evades treatments other than monoclonal antibodies?

Farid Jalali has a good twitter account. Even though I think he is being too dire (biased by being in a hospital and ignoring all the people not going there), I highly respect his model of what covid can do to the unlucky ones where it flips all the wrong switches.

https://twitter.com/farid__jalali

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I've actually witnessed the tests. I witnessed a volunteer breathing normal in a chamber. Then an engineer used a laser-based particle analysis to show how far his air particles were being ejected.

Who owned the lasers? Were they Jewish lasers? Follow the money.

Huh? The Jews have space lasers. He's not an astronaut, he couldn't have been watching space lasers, thus why talk about Jews?

Do they only own the lasers once they get into space? I really don't know how the laser ownership process works.

Satellites are not normally in an operational configuration until they have been boosted into space--while the deployment on the JWST is far longer than normal there normally is a deployment procedure. Thus I would not expect anyone to be in a position to watch a Jewish space laser while on Earth.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Can you explain to me why vaccine mandates for COVID 19 are bad? Please compare and contrast with mandated vaccines that all children receive routinely, and must document that they have received before attending day care, preschool, K-12 school or universities? Other vaccines mandated by the armed forces for all its military personnel? Routine vaccines such as the usual childhood vaccines, influenza, hepatitis A and B, and annual influenza vaccines mandated for health care workers and day care workers and nursing home personnel?

Tell me, has the US government forced a vaccine on its entire adult population before?

Don't know about the US but it's certainly been done at the state level:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/12/12/first-vaccine-mandate-massachusetts-waterhouse/

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There is no demonization. The above are the existing consequences of their actions. Many ERs in the US are stuffed with unvaccinated Covid-19 patients who are inhibiting access for health care by people suffering from other emergencies. Our supply chain and production are being inhibited by Covid related vacancies.

That isn't demonization, that is logistical truth. You really need to learn the difference between the two.

Many?! Not all?? The hospitals are running far above 100% and have been for some time. What's happening is patients are receiving a lower level of care than they should--being sent home when they should be in a bed, being in a bed when they should be in the ICU, ICUs operating far below what is considered safe staffing levels.