Covid-19 miscellany

[Elixir]

Huh?

Huh?
You think we have not failed?

No, you’re right. We failed. The whole world failed. I blame Trump for about a third of the global failure, as he misinformed the world’s trusting fools, encouraged the ignorant to act dangerously and denied the seriousness of the pandemic from day one.

I only hope that since Cheato mainly endangered idiot Trumpsuckers, we got a fractional increase in average IQ among the surviving population In exchange for the suffering and death he visited on the world.

 

[Swammerdami]

What's going on? 37 million cases in one day seems catastrophic, dystopian even. Did they stop wearing masks? Is their strain related to the XBB I've heard of? Bloomberg doesn't load for me. What's the death rate?

Covid and flu are respectively Group IV and Group V viruses with single-sense (or antisense) RNA and no DNA intermediate.

Viruses can be placed in one of the seven following groups:[16]

I: dsDNA viruses (e.g. Adenoviruses, Herpesviruses, Poxviruses)
II: ssDNA viruses (+ strand or "sense") DNA (e.g. Parvoviruses)
III: dsRNA viruses (e.g. Reoviruses)
IV+)ssRNA viruses (+ strand or sense) RNA (e.g. Coronaviruses, Picornaviruses, Togaviruses)
V: (−)ssRNA viruses (− strand or antisense) RNA (e.g. Orthomyxoviruses, Rhabdoviruses) includes influenza
VI: ssRNA-RT viruses (+ strand or sense) RNA with DNA intermediate in life-cycle (e.g. Retroviruses)
VII: dsDNA-RT viruses DNA with RNA intermediate in life-cycle (e.g. Hepadnaviruses)

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I blame Trump for about a third of the global failure, as he misinformed the world’s trusting fools, encouraged the ignorant to act dangerously and denied the seriousness of the pandemic from day one.

It's interesting what these screaming conservatives were saying. On the one hand it was a manufactured virus that China leaked and designed to be a killer. On the other hand, it was a manufactured crisis not even as bad as a flu so you don't need to wear a mask. Also, "look at all those idiots wearing masks in their cars" followed by "AOC got covid because she wasn't wearing a mask outside." Oh and don't make kids wear masks because masks are sex toys, you Satanic pedophile! And the vaccine is designed to kill half the planet because Bill Gates is Thanos. Also, the vaccine isn't effective. Take HCQ instead. Trump is taking it and he hasn't gotten covid. Oops, also take this dewormer as a preventative.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What's going on? 37 million cases in one day seems catastrophic, dystopian even. Did they stop wearing masks? Is their strain related to the XBB I've heard of? Bloomberg doesn't load for me. What's the death rate?

Covid and flu are respectively Group IV and Group V viruses with single-sense (or antisense) RNA and no DNA intermediate.

Viruses can be placed in one of the seven following groups:[16]

I: dsDNA viruses (e.g. Adenoviruses, Herpesviruses, Poxviruses)
II: ssDNA viruses (+ strand or "sense") DNA (e.g. Parvoviruses)
III: dsRNA viruses (e.g. Reoviruses)
IV+)ssRNA viruses (+ strand or sense) RNA (e.g. Coronaviruses, Picornaviruses, Togaviruses)
V: (−)ssRNA viruses (− strand or antisense) RNA (e.g. Orthomyxoviruses, Rhabdoviruses) includes influenza
VI: ssRNA-RT viruses (+ strand or sense) RNA with DNA intermediate in life-cycle (e.g. Retroviruses)
VII: dsDNA-RT viruses DNA with RNA intermediate in life-cycle (e.g. Hepadnaviruses)

I think the key is, the US failed and contracted Covid en masse. Ohio went near flat line on new cases because of the huge delta/omicron tidal wave. The US got Covid, so now everyone has differing levels of immunity. It might also speak to the benefit of the original vaccines in the US, and natural immunity to others that contracted (or both).

 

[TSwizzle]

Excess deaths in the UK for 2022 are the worst in 50 years;

More than 650,000 deaths were registered in the UK in 2022 - 9% more than 2019. This represents one of the largest excess death levels outside the pandemic in 50 years.

BBC

I wonder why this is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Excess deaths in the UK for 2022 are the worst in 50 years;

More than 650,000 deaths were registered in the UK in 2022 - 9% more than 2019. This represents one of the largest excess death levels outside the pandemic in 50 years.

BBC

I wonder why this is.

Oh wait... stats matter again? Always hard to know when information, data matters to you.

So why are there more excess deaths now than there were in 2021 in England?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Are you saying this virus gets more perfect - kills only sick and elderly with very little collateral damage?

No. That's only looking at death as an outcome, not the lasting damage it can inflict. Unless heavily exposed a younger, healthy person will generally not suffer lethal damage--that doesn't mean they suffer no damage. There's still a major case of head-in-sand about Covid-caused disability. (To admit it would blow out disability budgets in every developed country.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Almost three years since the coronavirus pandemic took hold, CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen has admitted the medical community is 'overcounting' the number of 'COVID deaths and hospitalizations.' In an opinion piece entitled: 'We are overcounting COVID deaths and hospitalizations. That's a problem,' Wen cites sources that claim that most 'patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.' Wen begins: 'According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United States is experiencing around 400 COVID deaths every day. At that rate, there would be nearly 150,000 deaths a year. But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?' Wen had the backing of two other infectious-disease experts who also believe that the number of deaths attributed to COVID is greater than the actual number of people dying from the virus. She cites one expert, Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital, who estimates that at his hospital, 90% of patients diagnosed with COVID-19 are actually in the hospital for some other illness.

Daily Mail

Told ya.

The deniers like to harp on this but there's a big problem with it: If it's not Covid killing people what is? The excess mortality rate is higher than the death toll attributed to Covid. Note, also, that Covid can easily present as something else due to it's propensity for causing clots. There's also the pattern of it killing off those who were unwell but stable until they caught Covid--they will generally present as an exacerbation of their existing health issues.

If it's not Covid why do we see twice the excess mortality in Republicans than Democrats? What's suddenly killing Republicans for the last two years? (The divergence only shows up once the vaccine became available.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What's going on? 37 million cases in one day seems catastrophic, dystopian even. Did they stop wearing masks? Is their strain related to the XBB I've heard of? Bloomberg doesn't load for me. What's the death rate?

You didn't indicate what you're referring to. Are you talking about China? If so, it doesn't surprise me at all--they finally accepted they couldn't stop it and dropped all controls. They have a population that's almost totally naive (they used a homegrown vaccine that provided protection against the Wuhan strain but doesn't do much against the Omicron strains), very densely packed and heavy users of mass transit. Of course the case count goes nearly vertical. Surgical masks aren't much more than a speed bump against it. Everyone my wife is in touch with over there has caught it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Excess deaths in the UK for 2022 are the worst in 50 years;

More than 650,000 deaths were registered in the UK in 2022 - 9% more than 2019. This represents one of the largest excess death levels outside the pandemic in 50 years.

BBC

I wonder why this is.

It's totally obvious why it is, but the right wing can't accept that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For those who still think the vaccine is dangerous, excess death by vaccination status:

And we are undercounting Covid:

 

[TSwizzle]

War criminal Tony Blair advocates vaccine passports;

Tony Blair has called for digital libraries that can record the vaccination status of people around the world in future pandemics. In a World Economic Forum discussion on containing the next major viral disease outbreak, the former prime minister said all countries need “proper digital infrastructure” to identify who has received vaccines. Blair said: “In the end, you need the data: you need to know who’s been vaccinated and who hasn’t been.'

Yahoo News

 

[Loren Pechtel]

War criminal Tony Blair advocates vaccine passports;

Tony Blair has called for digital libraries that can record the vaccination status of people around the world in future pandemics. In a World Economic Forum discussion on containing the next major viral disease outbreak, the former prime minister said all countries need “proper digital infrastructure” to identify who has received vaccines. Blair said: “In the end, you need the data: you need to know who’s been vaccinated and who hasn’t been.'

Yahoo News

How does that make him a war criminal?

In the past there was effectively no defense against fraudulent documentation, but neither was there any need of any real precautions--people would simply get the shots they needed. Now, with the death cultists running around simple stuff like the yellow books won't cut it anymore.

 

[TomC]

How does that make him a war criminal?

Can't speak for TSwizzle, but Blair was a solid supporter of Bush's Mideastern wars.
Like the invasion of Iraq.

War criminal works for me.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

Moron.

 

[TomC]

"We have no idea what is in Covid vaccines."

That's really insane pandering.

It's easier to find out what's in approved vaccines(and side effects) than a McDonald's hamburger.

Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"We have no idea what is in Covid vaccines."

That's really insane pandering.

It's easier to find out what's in approved vaccines(and side effects) than a McDonald's hamburger.

Tom

Yup, it's not like with pills where there are extra packaging ingredients that can be hard to know when you're talking about generics because it might be arbitrarily switched from one manufacturer to another by the pharmacy.

 

[bilby]

"We have no idea what is in Covid vaccines."

That's really insane pandering.

It's easier to find out what's in approved vaccines(and side effects) than a McDonald's hamburger.

Tom

Yup, it's not like with pills where there are extra packaging ingredients that can be hard to know when you're talking about generics because it might be arbitrarily switched from one manufacturer to another by the pharmacy.

I don't know what rules apply in your area, but in Australia the TGA requires that prescription medications, including both solid dose medicine and injections, are supplied along with a Consumer Product Information guide, that lists all of the ingredients, along with other information such as the side effects noted during trials, known interactions with other medications, and advice on what to do if symptoms of serious side effects are noticed.

If you obtain your medication from a pharmacy, they are required to give you a hard copy of the CPI (most medications have this included inside the packaging by the manufacturer); If the medication is administered by a hospital or clinic, you can request a hard copy from the person administering the drug.

 

[ZiprHead]

"We have no idea what is in Covid vaccines."

That's really insane pandering.

It's easier to find out what's in approved vaccines(and side effects) than a McDonald's hamburger.

Tom

Yup, it's not like with pills where there are extra packaging ingredients that can be hard to know when you're talking about generics because it might be arbitrarily switched from one manufacturer to another by the pharmacy.

I don't know what rules apply in your area, but in Australia the TGA requires that prescription medications, including both solid dose medicine and injections, are supplied along with a Consumer Product Information guide, that lists all of the ingredients, along with other information such as the side effects noted during trials, known interactions with other medications, and advice on what to do if symptoms of serious side effects are noticed.

If you obtain your medication from a pharmacy, they are required to give you a hard copy of the CPI (most medications have this included inside the packaging by the manufacturer); If the medication is administered by a hospital or clinic, you can request a hard copy from the person administering the drug.

I was given consumer product guides when I got my vaccines. I didn't when I got my covid boosters but I assume I could have gotten it if I asked.

My guess is MTG has no idea about the procedures that are done when folks get their vaccines.

In other words, she's talking out of her ass.