Covid-19 miscellany

[TSwizzle]

Changes to the way covid "cases" are counted in the UK;

Hospitals have been told to change the way they collect data on patients infected with coronavirus to differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else. The move would reduce the overall number of patients in hospital for coronavirus as until now data from hospitals has included all patients who tested positive for Covid-19, regardless of whether they had symptoms or not.

The Independent

Something that should have been done a year ago.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Changes to the way covid "cases" are counted in the UK;

Hospitals have been told to change the way they collect data on patients infected with coronavirus to differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else. The move would reduce the overall number of patients in hospital for coronavirus as until now data from hospitals has included all patients who tested positive for Covid-19, regardless of whether they had symptoms or not.

The Independent

Something that should have been done a year ago.

So if you have coronavirus ("test positive while seeking treatment for something else") you don't think you actually have coronavirus.

Do you also think that people who go in for coronavirus but actually have strep throat after testing shouldn't be counted as having strep throat?

 

[Rhea]

Changes to the way covid "cases" are counted in the UK;

Hospitals have been told to change the way they collect data on patients infected with coronavirus to differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else. The move would reduce the overall number of patients in hospital for coronavirus as until now data from hospitals has included all patients who tested positive for Covid-19, regardless of whether they had symptoms or not.

The Independent

Something that should have been done a year ago.

It sounds like you’re saying you’d like them to report separately symptomatic and asymptomatic cases. So that they’ll have a good count of hospitalizations as well as infections.

Or, wait. Are you saying they shouldn’t report asymptomatic cases and no one should know about them?

 

[TSwizzle]

Changes to the way covid "cases" are counted in the UK;

Hospitals have been told to change the way they collect data on patients infected with coronavirus to differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else. The move would reduce the overall number of patients in hospital for coronavirus as until now data from hospitals has included all patients who tested positive for Covid-19, regardless of whether they had symptoms or not.

The Independent

Something that should have been done a year ago.

It sounds like you’re saying you’d like them to report separately symptomatic and asymptomatic cases. So that they’ll have a good count of hospitalizations as well as infections.

Or, wait. Are you saying they shouldn’t report asymptomatic cases and no one should know about them?

The NHS should be accurately reporting why someone is in hospital and what they are being treated for.

differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It sounds like you’re saying you’d like them to report separately symptomatic and asymptomatic cases. So that they’ll have a good count of hospitalizations as well as infections.

Or, wait. Are you saying they shouldn’t report asymptomatic cases and no one should know about them?

The NHS should be accurately reporting why someone is in hospital and what they are being treated for.

differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else

That's what happens in clinics, doctor's offices, hospitals. You go in thinking you have X, but they tell you that you have Z. But now, you don't want them to tell you that?

Let's say you go in for a migraine treatment and they tell you they notice you have cancer. You don't want that to count?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It sounds like you’re saying you’d like them to report separately symptomatic and asymptomatic cases. So that they’ll have a good count of hospitalizations as well as infections.

Or, wait. Are you saying they shouldn’t report asymptomatic cases and no one should know about them?

The NHS should be accurately reporting why someone is in hospital and what they are being treated for.

differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else

The thing is, that "something else" often is a Covid symptom.

Covid causes clotting. Clots can cause a vast array of health issues from minor to lethal.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Changes to the way covid "cases" are counted in the UK;

Hospitals have been told to change the way they collect data on patients infected with coronavirus to differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else. The move would reduce the overall number of patients in hospital for coronavirus as until now data from hospitals has included all patients who tested positive for Covid-19, regardless of whether they had symptoms or not.

The Independent

Something that should have been done a year ago.

They’re simply breaking down the data into two subgroups for whatever purpose it may serve going forward. Nothing wrong with that.

Something that would have been done a year ago, I’m sure had they known to (though their knowledge of the virus be but six months).

Or were they lumping the data together for some nefarious political reason?

As time marches on, I’ll betcha they break it down even further.

 

[TSwizzle]

England was due to drop the covid restrictions June 21st but the fearmongering advisors have put the kibosh on that by at least another four weeks due to some other variant of covid. Goalposts being constantly moved. Boris really is a dithering clown.

 

[Elixir]

Covid causes clotting. Clots can cause a vast array of health issues from minor to lethal.

No room for nuance in the conservoverse. They either be sick with COVID or they ain't.

If they come in for a pain in the leg and test positive for COVID, don't report it. They're not sick with COVID. It's just a test, not a disease.
If they get sick with it later and come back when they're circling the drain and have infected a bunch of other people, then you report it.

 

[lpetrich]

The Tennessee Holler on Twitter: "OHIO: Anti-vaccine *expert* witness claims vaccine causes forks and keys to stick to your forehead and it’s linked to 5G network towers…. Up there trying to out-Tennessee us! * (link)" / Twitter
There are numerous metal-containing proteins, like what makes our blood red: hemoglobin. Wikipedia has a big article on them:  Metalloprotein

None of these proteins make us ferromagnetic, however, certainly not ferromagnetic enough to hold keys and spoons and forks. Those items would also have to be ferromagnetic for this to work, however.

Then
Joy-Ann (Pro-Democracy) Reid on Twitter: "Come on down, flaming comet of doom. We’re done as a species anyway, clearly." / Twitter

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Covid causes clotting. Clots can cause a vast array of health issues from minor to lethal.

No room for nuance in the conservoverse. They either be sick with COVID or they ain't.

If they come in for a pain in the leg and test positive for COVID, don't report it. They're not sick with COVID. It's just a test, not a disease.
If they get sick with it later and come back when they're circling the drain and have infected a bunch of other people, then you report it.

Pain in the leg could easily be a clot caused by Covid.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

There is going to be a publication of a paper and it there is an early version available:
Identification of novel bat coronaviruses sheds light on the evolutionary origins of SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses

I haven't read the whole thing yet.

 

[Elixir]

Covid causes clotting. Clots can cause a vast array of health issues from minor to lethal.

No room for nuance in the conservoverse. They either be sick with COVID or they ain't.

If they come in for a pain in the leg and test positive for COVID, don't report it. They're not sick with COVID. It's just a test, not a disease.
If they get sick with it later and come back when they're circling the drain and have infected a bunch of other people, then you report it.

Pain in the leg could easily be a clot caused by Covid.

Yeah, and having just fallen down a flight of stairs might have nothing to do with it.
Docs are in a tough place. NOT reporting positive tests would be negligent.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Pain in the leg could easily be a clot caused by Covid.

Yeah, and having just fallen down a flight of stairs might have nothing to do with it.
Docs are in a tough place. NOT reporting positive tests would be negligent.

But you didn't give the mechanism of injury. Just "pain in leg" certainly could be a Covid symptom, no reason to say it's unrelated.

They're still a Covid case, though, although if they die of the trauma I wouldn't count it as a Covid death. (Unless the initial trauma was caused by a Covid-induced loss of control.)

 

[ZiprHead]

Judge tosses Houston Methodist vaccine mandate lawsuit

A federal judge tossed a lawsuit against Houston Methodist over its policy to terminate workers who refuse to get the COVID vaccine, calling it “reprehensible” that plaintiffs compared the requirement to those made under Nazi Germany.

In the lawsuit on behalf of 117 Houston Methodist employees, lawyers likened the vaccine requirement to the Nuremberg Code, a set of medical ethics standards created at the end of World War II following medical experiments by the Nazis on German citizens.

U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes heavily criticized the comparison in a decision Saturday.

“Equating the injection requirement to medical experimentation in concentration camps is reprehensible,” Hughes said. “Nazi doctors conducted medical experiments on victims that caused pain, mutilation, permanent disability, and in many cases, death.”

Houston Methodist is one of the first hospitals in the nation to require employees to be vaccinated. The hospital system allows employees to opt out of the vaccine requirement if they provide a medical or religious exemption.

 

[repoman]

Judge tosses Houston Methodist vaccine mandate lawsuit

A federal judge tossed a lawsuit against Houston Methodist over its policy to terminate workers who refuse to get the COVID vaccine, calling it “reprehensible” that plaintiffs compared the requirement to those made under Nazi Germany.

In the lawsuit on behalf of 117 Houston Methodist employees, lawyers likened the vaccine requirement to the Nuremberg Code, a set of medical ethics standards created at the end of World War II following medical experiments by the Nazis on German citizens.

U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes heavily criticized the comparison in a decision Saturday.

“Equating the injection requirement to medical experimentation in concentration camps is reprehensible,” Hughes said. “Nazi doctors conducted medical experiments on victims that caused pain, mutilation, permanent disability, and in many cases, death.”

Houston Methodist is one of the first hospitals in the nation to require employees to be vaccinated. The hospital system allows employees to opt out of the vaccine requirement if they provide a medical or religious exemption.

What about lab verified antibodies to a previous covid infection?

 

[ZiprHead]

What about lab verified antibodies to a previous covid infection?

What about it?

 

[repoman]

What about lab verified antibodies to a previous covid infection?

What about it?

Interesting new precedent now to have previously, provably infected people to get a vaccine.

I got lucky to not be infected with covid and got vaccinated. It is not fair to require someone with antibodies they earned at great risk to take on more risk.

This is the adult version of zero tolerance that we have subjected students to in the US since the 1990s.

Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v1.full

 

[untermensche]

Taken together, these results suggest that broad and effective immunity may persist long-term in recovered COVID-19 patients.

Guidelines are not based on a single study but on all available evidence, even unpublished evidence with something like this.

Despite the anti-mask and anti-vaccine insanity that made this thing much worse doctors and scientists have saved every life that was saved. They gave us the vaccines that are now making the problem smaller.

 

[ZiprHead]

Interesting new precedent now to have previously, provably infected people to get a vaccine.

I got lucky to not be infected with covid and got vaccinated. It is not fair to require someone with antibodies they earned at great risk to take on more risk.

This is the adult version of zero tolerance that we have subjected students to in the US since the 1990s.

Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v1.full

Not really the question. Which is better at providing resistance.

Do I still need the vaccine if I’ve already had COVID-19?

Absolutely. While we know recovering from a COVID-19 infection means you will have circulating antibodies in your system, we are still learning about how the immune system handles the antibody response after a natural infection. We’re not sure how protective the antibodies are from different kinds of infections — such as an asymptomatic infection versus a symptomatic infection. With vaccination, we know that people with healthy immune systems are getting a great antibody response. So I would recommend vaccination even after a COVID-19 infection to get the best protection.

On top of that, if you live with people who are at higher risk of severe infection or may not develop a strong antibody level after vaccination, getting your own COVID-19 vaccination may make it less likely that you will transmit the virus to them.

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/do-i-need-a-vaccine-if-i-had-covid