Credit Where Credit is Due: a shout out thread for Things Trump Did Right

[RVonse]

On subject of the OP its early and remains to be seen. I think Trump is definitely performing according to campaign promises made to his voters so far. Will that help the country long term? I don't know. He already signed a ton of executive orders, going after border security, and auditing the government to get rid of waste most people don't find useful. He is doing so much so fast the other side is going nuts over Musk right now. There is another thread going into this but at least we have effort attempting to find out how to reduce government waste and spending now. For all the hate directed at Musk right now, he is showing us all how it is possible to do what everyone says can't be done (reducing waste and fraud). He may not be able to cut $1 trillion like he pledged but if not at least he shows us that it can be done.

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

When we renovated our bathrooms, we did not demolish the kitchen or the garage. Trump is using a "Thanos" approach, hoping there will be some success somewhere without any regard whatsoever to any collateral damage that any reasonably intelligent and decent person would avoid.

An intelligent person would just do nothing and kick the can down the road further. That's what even the slowest minded person would figure out. There would be no blow back for Trump as an individual if he did nothing at all. But he wants what is best for the country even if many think that is misguided. For better or worse many believe the can has been kicked as far as it can go and that budget reform can not just be left "for the next guy". We have slowly and surely become a mob ruled democracy where everyone (both sides) has voted themselves an extravagant government that can not be supported with current tax revenue.

When Musk first took over Twitter many said that he ruined that company when he demolished the kitchen and the garage. But look at X now. Look at Tesla and SpaceX. Tesla is doing what GM said couldn't be done and SpaceX is doing what normal people thought couldn't be done. Musk has unusual skills at succeeding where normal people routinely fail.

 

[RVonse]

Using your numbers, each copper penny is worth 3 cents of material.

Do you realize that the usefulness of an object is not just the value of the materials?
Coins serve the purpose of facilitating trade.

You really believe those idiots that sold you "Chelsea Clinton got 84 million dollars from taxpayers" don't you?
Tom

Carl Sagen once said "Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary proof" or something close to that. The extraordinary claim of Chelsea Clinton getting 84 million dollars is NOT that extraordinary to believe when you consider all the other fraud and lies the Clinton's really have committed over the years.

So yes, I did get sucked into believing fake news of the Clintons but that is no better than MSNBC or CNN telling your side that Elon Musk is acting the POTUS now. There is just a LOT of fake news with our current media today.

 

[laughing dog]

On subject of the OP its early and remains to be seen. I think Trump is definitely performing according to campaign promises made to his voters so far. Will that help the country long term? I don't know. He already signed a ton of executive orders, going after border security, and auditing the government to get rid of waste most people don't find useful. He is doing so much so fast the other side is going nuts over Musk right now. There is another thread going into this but at least we have effort attempting to find out how to reduce government waste and spending now. For all the hate directed at Musk right now, he is showing us all how it is possible to do what everyone says can't be done (reducing waste and fraud). He may not be able to cut $1 trillion like he pledged but if not at least he shows us that it can be done.

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

When we renovated our bathrooms, we did not demolish the kitchen or the garage. Trump is using a "Thanos" approach, hoping there will be some success somewhere without any regard whatsoever to any collateral damage that any reasonably intelligent and decent person would avoid.

An intelligent person would just do nothing and kick the can down the road further. That's what even the slowest minded person would figure out. ...

An intelligent person would start out by identifying possibilities and their likely effects in order to achieve their stated goal with a minimum of effort and damage. I don't know what the slowest minded person would figure out, Perhaps my mind is not slow enough, but using X as an exemplar of good approach to massive improvement is not a convincing argument.

 

[Elixir]

A quarter B? What a deal.

But he wants what is best for the country

GMAFB
He wants what best for Donald. PERIOD.
Everybody who knows him knows it.
Most of them have even said so. Even his relatives.

even if many think that is misguided.

It is obviously NOT misguided. It's simply megalomaniacal and definitely unconstitutional, as the courts will be finding - at least in the short term before he can fully purge them. But I certainly don't think it's misguided. Subversive and treasonous perhaps, but fully intentional. The United States of America came within a whisper of imprisoning the fucker, and he is now bent on fully bending it to his will.

To believe this fraudulent, grifting career criminal has anyone or anything else on his mind, is truly naive.
A little briefing on his ACTUAL history would blow most MAGAts' minds.

 

[Politesse]

When Musk first took over Twitter many said that he ruined that company when he demolished the kitchen and the garage. But look at X now. Look at Tesla and SpaceX. Tesla is doing what GM said couldn't be done and SpaceX is doing what normal people thought couldn't be done. Musk has unusual skills at succeeding where normal people routinely fail.

Tesla Has the Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands, Study Finds: Tesla vehicles suffer fatal accidents at a rate that's twice the industry average

Elon Musk's Massive Rocket Explosion May Have Caused Significant Atmospheric Pollution​

Whoopsie, SpaceX Blew Up Two Rockets and Punched a Massive Hole in One of Earth's Layers​

Planes could be in danger from falling space debris as recent SpaceX rocket explosion highlights new data

 

[Shadowy Man]

On subject of the OP its early and remains to be seen. I think Trump is definitely performing according to campaign promises made to his voters so far.

Which executive actions has he taken that are directed toward lowering grocery prices?

Will that help the country long term? I don't know. He already signed a ton of executive orders, going after border security, and auditing the government to get rid of waste most people don't find useful.

Where is the document demonstrating the results of the "audit"? Has that been delivered to Congress yet?

He is doing so much so fast the other side is going nuts over Musk right now. There is another thread going into this but at least we have effort attempting to find out how to reduce government waste and spending now. For all the hate directed at Musk right now, he is showing us all how it is possible to do what everyone says is impossible (reducing government waste and fraud).

Everyone thought it was impossible (or at least very difficult) before because they assumed you would have to follow the law and the constitution to get it done.

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

But what if there are laws against ripping out the tile and the walls? What if there are building codes that are required to be followed? Or permits that need to be obtained before demolition can begin? Do those things matter?

So I think it is too early to know whether Trump's early measures will yield any positive results but in fairness we should give him credit for going after campaign promises.

And if he had pursued them within the legal constructs of our government, perhaps we would have.

Most early POTUS would not be this aggressive and that is why the country is in the state it is in.

They wouldn't be this aggressive because it would be illegal and/or unconstitutional for them to do so.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

When Musk first took over Twitter many said that he ruined that company when he demolished the kitchen and the garage. But look at X now. Look at Tesla and SpaceX. Tesla is doing what GM said couldn't be done and SpaceX is doing what normal people thought couldn't be done. Musk has unusual skills at succeeding where normal people routinely fail.

X.com is worth 1/5 (at best) what Musk paid for it.
Tesla is in trouble because the automotive industry is catching up to Tesla with China is grave danger of burying Musk, meanwhile Musk is too busy trying to revolutionize industries that have many companies ahead of him already. His AI and automated car that almost drives itself has been a bit of a failure and again, is behind the competitors.
SpaceX has does some great things, but his insistence on Mars is not helping the company one bit. Additionally, his engineering philosophy is going to hit a brick wall as the engineering mistakes that come further and further down the line are going to add decades to his schedule. Also, SpaceX did what they did, that wasn't Musk.
Boring company? Look, we can make one size tunnel that barely fits a car. We are geniuses!!!

 

[unapologetic]

Less pennies will mean making more nickels to cover small transactions.

In this office (forum) pool, I'm picking 20% more nickels.

Also, this will end up costing more money as nickels cost much more than pennies. So if they don't get rid of the nickel, nickel production will likely have to go up, leading to a net increase in spending.

To the Federal Reserve, coins and bills are not an expense, they are tools. Paying the mint and the BPE to produce them is an investment in infrastructure. And the Fed makes a profit on the collector's market taking some of them out of circulation. This is why it took so long to kill the penny.

You can buy a circulated silver denarius from ca. 300-400CE

As a kid, I got one from the museum gift shop. Probably a reproduction.

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

So you are saying "The end justifies the means".

Carl Sagen once said "Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary proof"

From Wikipedia:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" was used a year prior to Sagan, by scientific skeptic Marcello Truzzi.
Sagen's version:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
Not 'should' - DO

 

[Shadowy Man]

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

So you are saying "The end justifies the means".

RVonse has very clearly been advocating for a dictatorship, not a constitutional republic. Primarily because the dictator would do things he likes. If a Democrat were the dictator, he'd likely be scrambling to uphold the checks and balances inherent in the constitution.

 

[RVonse]

On subject of the OP its early and remains to be seen. I think Trump is definitely performing according to campaign promises made to his voters so far. Will that help the country long term? I don't know. He already signed a ton of executive orders, going after border security, and auditing the government to get rid of waste most people don't find useful. He is doing so much so fast the other side is going nuts over Musk right now. There is another thread going into this but at least we have effort attempting to find out how to reduce government waste and spending now. For all the hate directed at Musk right now, he is showing us all how it is possible to do what everyone says can't be done (reducing waste and fraud). He may not be able to cut $1 trillion like he pledged but if not at least he shows us that it can be done.

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

When we renovated our bathrooms, we did not demolish the kitchen or the garage. Trump is using a "Thanos" approach, hoping there will be some success somewhere without any regard whatsoever to any collateral damage that any reasonably intelligent and decent person would avoid.

An intelligent person would just do nothing and kick the can down the road further. That's what even the slowest minded person would figure out. ...

An intelligent person would start out by identifying possibilities and their likely effects in order to achieve their stated goal with a minimum of effort and damage. I don't know what the slowest minded person would figure out, Perhaps my mind is not slow enough, but using X as an exemplar of good approach to massive improvement is not a convincing argument.

For all I know most of what you suggest is what is exactly happening. Despite what media may have to say about it, Musk has stated and has been complying with all legal action so far taken against him. They are temporary orders, legally grey areas of no precedent, and despite all the gnashing of the teeth the system so far appears to be working as our founders intended.

Musk would probably take it slower and more thoughtfully if he could. But I suspect Trump want results as soon as possible and Musk is a man of action.

 

[RVonse]

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

So you are saying "The end justifies the means".

RVonse has very clearly been advocating for a dictatorship, not a constitutional republic. Primarily because the dictator would do things he likes. If a Democrat were the dictator, he'd likely be scrambling to uphold the checks and balances inherent in the constitution.

No one has become dictator quite yet.

 

[Shadowy Man]

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

So you are saying "The end justifies the means".

RVonse has very clearly been advocating for a dictatorship, not a constitutional republic. Primarily because the dictator would do things he likes. If a Democrat were the dictator, he'd likely be scrambling to uphold the checks and balances inherent in the constitution.

No one has become dictator quite yet.

Why did he fire inspectors general, who oversee executive actions, without proper legal warning and reason?

Why is he stopping payments that are legally appropriated by Congress?

Why is he dismantling departments that can’t be dismantled without congressional action?

So, he’s not a “dictator”, he just does what he wants with the government even if it is illegal and unconstitutional?

You have said that you would rather see him take actions that you like rather than go through the constitutionally prescribed methods, right?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

On subject of the OP its early and remains to be seen. I think Trump is definitely performing according to campaign promises made to his voters so far. Will that help the country long term? I don't know. He already signed a ton of executive orders, going after border security, and auditing the government to get rid of waste most people don't find useful. He is doing so much so fast the other side is going nuts over Musk right now. There is another thread going into this but at least we have effort attempting to find out how to reduce government waste and spending now. For all the hate directed at Musk right now, he is showing us all how it is possible to do what everyone says can't be done (reducing waste and fraud). He may not be able to cut $1 trillion like he pledged but if not at least he shows us that it can be done.

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

When we renovated our bathrooms, we did not demolish the kitchen or the garage. Trump is using a "Thanos" approach, hoping there will be some success somewhere without any regard whatsoever to any collateral damage that any reasonably intelligent and decent person would avoid.

An intelligent person would just do nothing and kick the can down the road further. That's what even the slowest minded person would figure out. ...

An intelligent person would start out by identifying possibilities and their likely effects in order to achieve their stated goal with a minimum of effort and damage. I don't know what the slowest minded person would figure out, Perhaps my mind is not slow enough, but using X as an exemplar of good approach to massive improvement is not a convincing argument.

For all I know most of what you suggest is what is exactly happening. Despite what media may have to say about it, Musk has stated and has been complying with all legal action so far taken against him. They are temporary orders, legally grey areas of no precedent, and despite all the gnashing of the teeth the system so far appears to be working as our founders intended.

Musk would probably take it slower and more thoughtfully if he could. But I suspect Trump want results as soon as possible and Musk is a man of action.

He hasn't found scandel or waste yet. You sound barbos and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Musk would probably take it slower and more thoughtfully if he could. But I suspect Trump want results as soon as possible and Musk is a man of action.

none of this is facts in evidence. Pure speculation on your part.

 

[RVonse]

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

So you are saying "The end justifies the means".

RVonse has very clearly been advocating for a dictatorship, not a constitutional republic. Primarily because the dictator would do things he likes. If a Democrat were the dictator, he'd likely be scrambling to uphold the checks and balances inherent in the constitution.

No one has become dictator quite yet.

Why did he fire inspectors general, who oversee executive actions, without proper legal warning and reason?

Why is he stopping payments that are legally appropriated by Congress?

Why is he dismantling departments that can’t be dismantled without congressional action?

So, he’s not a “dictator”, he just does what he wants with the government even if it is illegal and unconstitutional?

You have said that you would rather see him take actions that you like rather than go through the constitutionally prescribed methods, right?

Because Trump could and he did. And the courts did what they thought was appropriate as well. So we will soon find out where this leads to.

Do I want a dictator...no. But look at what is getting done compared to the uniparty president we usually have warming the chair in the oval office.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

So you are saying "The end justifies the means".

RVonse has very clearly been advocating for a dictatorship, not a constitutional republic. Primarily because the dictator would do things he likes. If a Democrat were the dictator, he'd likely be scrambling to uphold the checks and balances inherent in the constitution.

No one has become dictator quite yet.

Why did he fire inspectors general, who oversee executive actions, without proper legal warning and reason?

Why is he stopping payments that are legally appropriated by Congress?

Why is he dismantling departments that can’t be dismantled without congressional action?

So, he’s not a “dictator”, he just does what he wants with the government even if it is illegal and unconstitutional?

You have said that you would rather see him take actions that you like rather than go through the constitutionally prescribed methods, right?

Because Trump could and he did. And the courts did what they thought was appropriate as well. So we will soon find out where this leads to.

Do I want a dictator...no. But look at what is getting done compared to the uniparty president we usually have warming the chair in the oval office.

If someone comes along, and illegally knocks down your house, they are getting things done, but not a productive result.

 

[laughing dog]

On subject of the OP its early and remains to be seen. I think Trump is definitely performing according to campaign promises made to his voters so far. Will that help the country long term? I don't know. He already signed a ton of executive orders, going after border security, and auditing the government to get rid of waste most people don't find useful. He is doing so much so fast the other side is going nuts over Musk right now. There is another thread going into this but at least we have effort attempting to find out how to reduce government waste and spending now. For all the hate directed at Musk right now, he is showing us all how it is possible to do what everyone says can't be done (reducing waste and fraud). He may not be able to cut $1 trillion like he pledged but if not at least he shows us that it can be done.

There is a lot of dust being kicked up right now. Just like when you renovate a house things also look the worst when you rip out tile and walls before you rebuild it better. It is hard to make something better without it looking worse first.

When we renovated our bathrooms, we did not demolish the kitchen or the garage. Trump is using a "Thanos" approach, hoping there will be some success somewhere without any regard whatsoever to any collateral damage that any reasonably intelligent and decent person would avoid.

An intelligent person would just do nothing and kick the can down the road further. That's what even the slowest minded person would figure out. ...

An intelligent person would start out by identifying possibilities and their likely effects in order to achieve their stated goal with a minimum of effort and damage. I don't know what the slowest minded person would figure out, Perhaps my mind is not slow enough, but using X as an exemplar of good approach to massive improvement is not a convincing argument.

For all I know most of what you suggest is what is exactly happening. Despite what media may have to say about it, Musk has stated and has been complying with all legal action so far taken against him. They are temporary orders, legally grey areas of no precedent, and despite all the gnashing of the teeth the system so far appears to be working as our founders intended.

Musk would probably take it slower and more thoughtfully if he could. But I suspect Trump want results as soon as possible and Musk is a man of action.

You have not been paying attention if you think that is what is exactly happening. If it were, this administration would not roll back executive orders or issue "clarifications" after finding out the deleterious effects of withholding funding nor would federal judges grant orders blocking the orders.

If Trump wants results, then the king of deal-making should keep his promise and end the war in Ukraine.

 

[Elixir]

When Musk first took over Twitter many said that he ruined that company when he demolished the kitchen and the garage. But look at X now. Look at Tesla and SpaceX. Tesla is doing what GM said couldn't be done and SpaceX is doing what normal people thought couldn't be done. Musk has unusual skills at succeeding where normal people routinely fail.

Tesla Has the Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands, Study Finds: Tesla vehicles suffer fatal accidents at a rate that's twice the industry average

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That’s pretty impressive looking but … “deaths per million vehicle years”?
WTF is that X axis label? Why is it a better measure than “deaths per million passenger miles”?
For that reason I reject it as garbage unless someone here can set me straight.

 

[Toni]

Makes you wonder how some if those Roman ones still look as good as they do.

Silver is durable even though it’s soft. And (most all) Roman coins never saw the kind of circulation/handling that say, an American quarter can expect to have to endure.

 

[bilby]

There would be no blow back for Trump as an individual if he did nothing at all. But he wants what is best for the country even if many think that is misguided.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this claim?

What even IS "the country", if not its constitution and system of government checks and balances?

Trump is pissing all over the checks and balances, and wiping his arse on the constitution, and you still believe that he "wants what is best for the country"??

Are you blind?