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Three weeks ago, every Republican and almost every Democrat I talked to in the state save for a handful of fellow "radical progressives" (ie literate, engaged citizens) told me it was "paranoia" to suppose that Trump could or would unilaterally end the Department of Education. Two weeks ago, our district chancellor ordered us all to stop "spreading rumors" about the likelihood of a closure, because it was freaking out the students and might "negatively impact enrollment trends".

Well, here we are. And wouldn't you know it. Trump did exactly what he told everyone he was planning to do. It will absolutely affect enrollment trends. And all these people who refused to "believe" the obvious are belatedly panicking and running around with their chicken's heads cut off, because they chose to deny reality instead of planning for it.

This was never a conspiracy theory. Because conspiracies are by definition secret. This was not. But the average American is apparently too stupid and unlettered to read a campaign document that uses no "big words" and was probably written in Sharpie on the first draft.

The Democrats fail because they do nothing. It doesn't matter how many trillions you spend on TV ads if you do nothing, promise nothing, and every knows that you do nothing and promise nothing. The problem isn't the campaign, or the candidate, but the Party.
What would you like democrats to do? They control nothing.
And why is that?
Long story short... and short-term reasons? Anti-transgender ads and inflation.

More detail... a lot of pavement laid down because the Democrats passed the ACA. The following 2010 mid-term ass whooping regarding the passage thanks to ridiculously false narratives about the bill (which is now quite popular) helped create the gerrymandered state and federal redistricting which is impacting politics today by allowing the right-wing to just keep getting further and further right. That one election gave the GOP an overexaggerated amount of control of the US Governing body.
 
Three weeks ago, every Republican and almost every Democrat I talked to in the state save for a handful of fellow "radical progressives" (ie literate, engaged citizens) told me it was "paranoia" to suppose that Trump could or would unilaterally end the Department of Education. Two weeks ago, our district chancellor ordered us all to stop "spreading rumors" about the likelihood of a closure, because it was freaking out the students and might "negatively impact enrollment trends".

Well, here we are. And wouldn't you know it. Trump did exactly what he told everyone he was planning to do. It will absolutely affect enrollment trends.
Clue me in. I'm assuming you're talking about community college or university enrollments? What drives the impact - is it grants and loans? What did Dept. of Ed do prior to this that materially affects post-secondary schooling?
 
Three weeks ago, every Republican and almost every Democrat I talked to in the state save for a handful of fellow "radical progressives" (ie literate, engaged citizens) told me it was "paranoia" to suppose that Trump could or would unilaterally end the Department of Education. Two weeks ago, our district chancellor ordered us all to stop "spreading rumors" about the likelihood of a closure, because it was freaking out the students and might "negatively impact enrollment trends".

Well, here we are. And wouldn't you know it. Trump did exactly what he told everyone he was planning to do. It will absolutely affect enrollment trends.
Clue me in. I'm assuming you're talking about community college or university enrollments? What drives the impact - is it grants and loans? What did Dept. of Ed do prior to this that materially affects post-secondary schooling?
Yes. The Department of Education plays quite a few functions in keeping education afloat, from providing students with direct grants and scholarships, funding student work-study positions, facilitating certain loans, providing critical sources of research funding to the R1s that allow them to take on far more graduate students than they would otherwise, and funding outreach programs to underfunded districts. In theory, none of those functions have been ended as such, but they have all been put on pause and there is no hope of any awards reaching students in time for the second set of Spring term disbursements. They are on the mercy of their institutions, who may be straight up unable to afford much grace. Trump will be trying to cancel as much as he can for the future, in particular scientific research on any topic he considers politically driven or that might be seen as encouraging "DEI", as he promised to do during his campaign. The DOE also collects data on enrollment and many other trends, and with most of the people who collect and analyze that data (seemingly?) fired over the last week, who knows when any of us will get our hands on it? Luckily California gathers and processes a lot of our own data of that kind, but not all states have been so farseeing as to maximize autonomy in that arena. In general, if he cuts the already slim staff of the DOE (only 4000 souls managed the entire department under the Biden regime!) down to some fraction of what it was, expect delays in all of the department's core functions for the next many years, as China and Europe cheerfully suck up all the international capital and prestige that US colleges once enjoyed, makign them more and more of a draw for our best and brightest who do not want their research defunded. If you were thinking of beginning a research project right now and had the flexibility, would you be trying for an NSF grant that might never be awarded, or apply to a European program that is drastically more certain to be followed through on?

Presuming his plan proceeds unhindered, which is not a given, or even likely. But when it comes to enrollment and funding, uncertainty is almost worse than certainty. Uncertain people don't like to take big risks, surprisingly enough. A lot of our students and potential student aren't exactly huge news readers, they get all of this through the grapevine and thus receive a confused and usually greatly exaggerated version of events.

In the community colleges, fear of ICE raids, or neighorhood posses and the like harassing students, are also playing a role. As yet (thank god) unfounded worries, but not irrational. Again the state of California is in a slightly better position, having explicitly protected student privacy and defined clear rules and boundaries of interaction with law enforcement, but students in some other states have no such protection or support at the state level.

Alabama is a good example of a state that is looking incedibly endangered by recent events. A single university system employs about one tenth of the state's workforce and generates roughly a fourth of Alabama's GDP as well as doubling as a major health care provider, so even a small shock to the system could have disastrous long term effects even for people with no direct connection to the school, but they have no plan in place for coutnering the federal attack on their solubility, and very few meaningful state protections against abuse of governmental powers.
 
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Private schools and their students take federal money, too. Indeed, without any guarantee of state disbursements, lotto money, state-level initiatives and NGOs, etc they are often far more dependent on federal funding to survive than an equivalent state school might be. Unless they are extremely wealthy and have a healthy foundation fund, but most do not and are not. Trump has promised to bail them out with even more federal support via voucher programs and the like, but he is a lot better and breaking things than fixing them if history is any guide.

Was talking to a Stanford prof just yesterday, and I can assure you that the mood there is... not calm. Big walkout planned for next Monday, protesting the disappearance of research funds, much good though it will do them.
 
Three weeks ago, every Republican and almost every Democrat I talked to in the state save for a handful of fellow "radical progressives" (ie literate, engaged citizens) told me it was "paranoia" to suppose that Trump could or would unilaterally end the Department of Education. Two weeks ago, our district chancellor ordered us all to stop "spreading rumors" about the likelihood of a closure, because it was freaking out the students and might "negatively impact enrollment trends".

Well, here we are. And wouldn't you know it. Trump did exactly what he told everyone he was planning to do. It will absolutely affect enrollment trends.
Clue me in. I'm assuming you're talking about community college or university enrollments? What drives the impact - is it grants and loans? What did Dept. of Ed do prior to this that materially affects post-secondary schooling?
Yes. The Department of Education plays quite a few functions in keeping education afloat, from providing students with direct grants and scholarships, funding student work-study positions, facilitating certain loans, providing critical sources of research funding to the R1s that allow them to take on far more graduate students than they would otherwise, and funding outreach programs to underfunded districts. In theory, none of those functions have been ended as such, but they have all been put on pause and there is no hope of any awards reaching students in time for the second set of Spring term disbursements. They are on the mercy of their institutions, who may be straight up unable to afford much grace. Trump will be trying to cancel as much as he can for the future, in particular scientific research on any topic he considers politically driven or that might be seen as encouraging "DEI", as he promised to do during his campaign. The DOE also collects data on enrollment and many other trends, and with most of the people who collect and analyze that data (seemingly?) fired over the last week, who knows when any of us will get our hands on it? Luckily California gathers and processes a lot of our own data of that kind, but not all states have been so farseeing as to maximize autonomy in that arena. In general, if he cuts the already slim staff of the DOE (only 4000 souls managed the entire department under the Biden regime!) down to some fraction of what it was, expect delays in all of the department's core functions for the next many years, as China and Europe cheerfully suck up all the international capital and prestige that US colleges once enjoyed, makign them more and more of a draw for our best and brightest who do not want their research defunded. If you were thinking of beginning a research project right now and had the flexibility, would you be trying for an NSF grant that might never be awarded, or apply to a European program that is drastically more certain to be followed through on?

Presuming his plan proceeds unhindered, which is not a given, or even likely. But when it comes to enrollment and funding, uncertainty is almost worse than certainty. Uncertain people don't like to take big risks, surprisingly enough. A lot of our students and potential student aren't exactly huge news readers, they get all of this through the grapevine and thus receive a confused and usually greatly exaggerated version of events.

In the community colleges, fear of ICE raids, or neighorhood posses and the like harassing students, are also playing a role. As yet (thank god) unfounded worries, but not irrational. Again the state of California is in a slightly better position, having explicitly protected student privacy and defined clear rules and boundaries of interaction with law enforcement, but students in some other states have no such protection or support at the state level.

Alabama is a good example of a state that is looking incedibly endangered by recent events. A single university system employs about one tenth of the state's workforce and generates roughly a fourth of Alabama's GDP as well as doubling as a major health care provider, so even a small shock to the system could have disastrous long term effects even for people with no direct connection to the school, but they have no plan in place for coutnering the federal attack on their solubility, and very few meaningful state protections against abuse of governmental powers.
Thank you for the explanation.
 
Any vestige of public schools will have tightly controlled curricula
I think rather the opposite - curricula would be set at the state or local level, not the federal level.
How does that effect the level of control!?

I can imagine the freewheeling curriculum of the DeSantis DoE 🫤
They probably WILL describe a “person” as being “created” at conception, and invoke harsh penalties for late term (and other) abortions, so maybe not so bad?
 
Funny how when you're okay with it, it is "terminate the pregnancy" and otherwise it's "kill the fetus".
Not funny at all. Because there's a really big difference here. And when there's nothing at all wrong with the infant, nor with the mother, and there's no risk to either of them... then it's actually killing a baby.

This isn't a hard concept. When the dog has rabies, or has a severe illness or injury that can't reasonably be recovered from, then it's "putting them down" or "euthanasia". On the other hand, if someone just decides they don't want that dog anymore, then it's killing a pet.
Sigh. There are significant differences between the two situations as to make them incomparable. The latter (killing a pet) does not require a licensed medical practiioner's expertise and cooperation, is usually legal, and happens much more frequently than the former.
 
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The Worcester City Council in Massachusetts voted in favor of a resolution to become a sanctuary city for those transgender and gender-diverse Tuesday. During a lengthy city council meeting, approximately 200 people from the LGBT+ community arrived to show their support for the resolution—often expressing concerns for their safety under the new Trump administration. One speaker, donning a purple wig, pearl necklace and white gloves, said she needs the city to protect her because the federal government will not, and she is "afraid of Trump."

Fox News

The video is quite revealing as these unhinged lunatics scream at the council.
 
The Worcester City Council in Massachusetts voted in favor of a resolution to become a sanctuary city for those transgender and gender-diverse Tuesday. During a lengthy city council meeting, approximately 200 people from the LGBT+ community arrived to show their support for the resolution—often expressing concerns for their safety under the new Trump administration. One speaker, donning a purple wig, pearl necklace and white gloves, said she needs the city to protect her because the federal government will not, and she is "afraid of Trump."

Fox News

The video is quite revealing as these unhinged lunatics scream at the council.
Yeah, protection from shit like that, but from the Federal level.
 
If <conditions specified by Emily Lake are met> then by all means I completely support termination in the last trimester.
Yah sure Ems. You gonna be the appointed authority who decides if your conditions are met?
How are you going to determine if your conditions are met? Send your Congressman?
I suggest that the only parties qualified to make that decision are the mother, her doctor and possibly her partner. Convince me that someone else should be in that conversation.
Why you want to involve judges and lawyers while women bleed out, is beyond me.
I don't, and I've repeatedly said so. Continuing to repeat this blatant disinformation is nothing more than outright lying.

Why are you so opposed to Roe v Wade?
 
What did Dept. of Ed do prior to this that materially affects post-secondary schooling?
Secondary schooling.
Are you asserting that without Dept. of Ed all high school will be discontinued?
BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! Strawman alert!
Not a strawman, a question. Literally a question. Trying to make some sense of a two word post with no elaboration.
The answer is no.
Not discontinued.
Perverted to fascist cause.
If you can’t see it happening, there’s no point trying to discuss it.
 
The answer is no.
Not discontinued.
Perverted to fascist cause.
If you can’t see it happening, there’s no point trying to discuss it.
You know, maybe if you would actually explain what you think the impact is going to be instead of just assuming that everyone knows it's all fascism, may I'd be able to follow you. As far as I can tell, you don't have any reasoning, no actual thought, all you have is a deep-seated and completely irrational belief that anything at all Republicans touch is de facto fascist in nature.

The entire argument you've made is... If the Department of Education is shut down, all high schools are going to immediately turn into fascist training camps. You haven't even bothered to provide the framework of how that would happen, nor whether it's likely, nor any reasonable intimation of how Dept. of Ed is preventing this horror from occurring today.
 
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